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Postby babyangel » Fri, 24 Oct 2008 5:42 am

UglyPiglet wrote:Weeles>> I'll talk to Dr Su as well,bcos since I'm already there must well get it done. But will it affect Dr Su judgement, as you know I did my nose and that areas will swell and bruise, so would it be idea to do?

tobehunk>> thanks, I'll definately update my progress and experience here :) Erm, nos of leaves I took is 9days, fyi.



if u r thinking of doing both the nose and eyes at the same time u go to taiwan, i feel that u shud do your eyes 1st if possible. Cos after doing the nose job, the area wud be very swollen n usually it spreads a bit to the eye areas n the forehead just above the bridge wud most likely hv a bit of swell too. And it takes quite sometime for the nose swell to go off. Besides that, when u do the nose n since u r putting in the rib to make the bridge higher, it wud kind of "pull" up the skin abit upwards once after the surgery esp since this is your 1st rhino. Revision rhino job heals a bit faster than the 1st rhino.

Hence, i feel with all the swell n bruises, etc after your nose job, if you were to see Dr Su, she may not be able to see your "exact real" eyes n to do the surgery for you. I believe she wud ask you to let the nose swell go off 1st.

Cheers. :)

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Postby babyangel » Fri, 24 Oct 2008 6:03 am

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savannah_lenaia wrote:UKorientalgirl:

If you don't mind me asking...for the breast implants: what materials did you get inserted? And what placement (under or over the muscle)?

I'm really tiny (skinny) but my breasts are naturally a 12B. I'm thinking of going up just a cup size more (like 250cc). Dr. Chuang has reccomended the cohesive silicone gel for me.

Do they feel really obviously 'fake'?

Hope you don't mind me asking!!?! :oops: I would just hate it if anyone could tell mine were fake!!


Hi,

when one of my gf wanted to breast augmentation some years back, i went with her to consult a local surgeon.

The surgeon recommended her to use cohesive silicon gel also after going thru the various types and also let us feel it. He explained then that it is better n safer cos shud it break or give way for whatever reason, at least, the broken part wud be in a wholesome form which cud be removed easily unlike liquid silicon, etc.

If you ask whether it feels fake or not, i cud only say when my this gf was dating a new bf then, she did not say she went for a breast augmentation but the bf cud feel it n insist that she must hv gone for it although she denied it several times. Finally she admitted cos the guy was so sure that she did it n kept asking.

I do not know if it has anything to do with putting the silicon gel Under or Over the Muscles or not. Cos i understand that these r the 2 ways n im not sure which is supposed to be the Correct or Better method altho i did go with my gf to several surgeons for consultations n each said different things n i cant recall now. So u might want to research on that. :)

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Thanks for that!

Actually, I've done a bit of reading about the cohesive gel implants - they definately seem preferable to silicone or anything else. It was more the feel of them that I was worried about though...

Hmmm... I'm not so concerned about my boyfriend 'finding out' - he's already offered to go with me and help in post-op, so he obviously already knows and is alright with it. I guess it would just bug me if they felt fake.

I was wondering if they will feel less fake if I get them under the muscle... Anyone out there know about this?!

I have a fair bit of 'fatty tissue' on my breasts already, as they are quite big for my size. They are just a little droopy though, hence the reason i only want to go up a size or so.



Do u mean if the breasts wud "look" fake after the surgery or the feel? If it is the feel, you mentioned your boyfriend is ok with it? :)

If you say "look", i think my gf looks fine n not really "fakish" but she always wears bra so im not sure if cohesive gel wud look "fakish" without a bra. On thing though, when she was with her ex-bf before that guy, she told me her ex told her that he felt that her breasts were bigger n maybe he felt a bit suspicious but didnt ask if any surgery was done. My gf told him bcos she put on weight which was quite true then.

However, i hv male friends who hv felt many augmented breasts before n they told me somehow they cud feel it cos the implant feels a bit like a "ball" or "ball-ish" in a way no matter which implant. Cos i was commenting that this cohesive gel feels soft n moves like a fluid. They said they cud feel the movement of something moving inside which they told me is definitely different if it is real.

If you are looking more of any uplift of the breasts, understand that there is such a surgery around but i think there may be a scar cos the surgeon wud make an incision n pull n lift up the breasts from that incision.

btw, in case u r still going ahead with BA, just to let you know my gf had the incision done via her armpits which i think was not a bad idea - there were 3 options given to her - armpit, areola area n under the breasts. After the healing, the cut which the surgeon made kinds of "blended" in together with the rest of the lines on the armpit n U almost cant tell where was the incision made. But just make sure the surgeon is good in his stitching cos the stitching is important in BA to ensure that it heals well so that less visible scar :)

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Postby feline.eyes » Fri, 24 Oct 2008 6:52 am

babyangel wrote:if u r thinking of doing both the nose and eyes at the same time u go to taiwan, i feel that u shud do your eyes 1st if possible. Cos after doing the nose job, the area wud be very swollen n usually it spreads a bit to the eye areas n the forehead just above the bridge wud most likely hv a bit of swell too. And it takes quite sometime for the nose swell to go off. Besides that, when u do the nose n since u r putting in the rib to make the bridge higher, it wud kind of "pull" up the skin abit upwards once after the surgery esp since this is your 1st rhino. Revision rhino job heals a bit faster than the 1st rhino.

Hence, i feel with all the swell n bruises, etc after your nose job, if you were to see Dr Su, she may not be able to see your "exact real" eyes n to do the surgery for you. I believe she wud ask you to let the nose swell go off 1st.

Cheers. :)


I disagree. I recommend going for your rhinoplasty first before having your blepharoplasty. Rhinoplasty alters the distance between your eyes. If you plan on having epicanthoplasty, it would be advisable to have your rhinoplasty first, if you aren't going to do the epicanthoplasty, then I guess it doesn't matter.
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Postby feline.eyes » Fri, 24 Oct 2008 7:15 am

savannah_lenaia wrote:If you don't mind me asking...for the breast implants: what materials did you get inserted? And what placement (under or over the muscle)?

I'm really tiny (skinny) but my breasts are naturally a 12B. I'm thinking of going up just a cup size more (like 250cc). Dr. Chuang has reccomended the cohesive silicone gel for me.

Do they feel really obviously 'fake'?

Hope you don't mind me asking!!?! :oops: I would just hate it if anyone could tell mine were fake!!


I haven't felt any but from what I have seen and heard, it is pretty easy to tell if they are real or fake by touch. Saline feels sloshy and silicone has a better feel but it is still encased in a container and you can tell...

As for looking fake, depends on the individual and the size of the implant chosen. If you have a bit of meat, it is less obvious. The bigger you go the more obvious it is. Under the muscle is less obvious. But generally you can tell because fake boobies have a more definite shape. A 12C fake will look bigger than a 12C natural not really due to size but due to definition. I am a 10D but they don't look nearly as impressive as some underwear model's 10D. So yeah, natural breasts look and feel like a part of your general chest area; the contours are pretty gradual and not very sudden (I hope that makes sense).
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Postby UglyPiglet » Fri, 24 Oct 2008 6:48 pm

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babyangel wrote:if u r thinking of doing both the nose and eyes at the same time u go to taiwan, i feel that u shud do your eyes 1st if possible. Cos after doing the nose job, the area wud be very swollen n usually it spreads a bit to the eye areas n the forehead just above the bridge wud most likely hv a bit of swell too. And it takes quite sometime for the nose swell to go off. Besides that, when u do the nose n since u r putting in the rib to make the bridge higher, it wud kind of "pull" up the skin abit upwards once after the surgery esp since this is your 1st rhino. Revision rhino job heals a bit faster than the 1st rhino.

Hence, i feel with all the swell n bruises, etc after your nose job, if you were to see Dr Su, she may not be able to see your "exact real" eyes n to do the surgery for you. I believe she wud ask you to let the nose swell go off 1st.

Cheers. :)


I disagree. I recommend going for your rhinoplasty first before having your blepharoplasty. Rhinoplasty alters the distance between your eyes. If you plan on having epicanthoplasty, it would be advisable to have your rhinoplasty first, if you aren't going to do the epicanthoplasty, then I guess it doesn't matter.


Feline.eyes >>> Yap I'll be doing epicanthoplasty, and I've alrdy book my nose job appointment with Dr Hsu, therefore I've to do my nose first. As appointment for surgery with Dr Su is full and I'm trying my luck to see whether Dr Su can accomodate a slot for me anot. Anyway shall call and check with them again on both issues. There is no hurry, I want everything to be smooth sailing... :)

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Postby feline.eyes » Fri, 24 Oct 2008 7:50 pm

UglyPiglet wrote:Feline.eyes >>> Yap I'll be doing epicanthoplasty, and I've alrdy book my nose job appointment with Dr Hsu, therefore I've to do my nose first. As appointment for surgery with Dr Su is full and I'm trying my luck to see whether Dr Su can accomodate a slot for me anot. Anyway shall call and check with them again on both issues. There is no hurry, I want everything to be smooth sailing... :)


Good for you that you have a good attitude towards this. Better to get it right the first time.

Good luck and I hope you will update us on your progress, especially with Dr Su, since there isn't one on this thread yet.
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Postby UglyPiglet » Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:55 am

feline.eyes wrote:
UglyPiglet wrote:Feline.eyes >>> Yap I'll be doing epicanthoplasty, and I've alrdy book my nose job appointment with Dr Hsu, therefore I've to do my nose first. As appointment for surgery with Dr Su is full and I'm trying my luck to see whether Dr Su can accomodate a slot for me anot. Anyway shall call and check with them again on both issues. There is no hurry, I want everything to be smooth sailing... :)


Good for you that you have a good attitude towards this. Better to get it right the first time.

Good luck and I hope you will update us on your progress, especially with Dr Su, since there isn't one on this thread yet.


Thanks Feline.eyes, I will do an updates on my progress as well.

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what is conclusion on either gortex or silicon for nose?

Postby tobehunk » Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:41 am

after reading more than 300+ pages, im still unclear as to which wld be better..
a gortex implant? or
a silicon implant?

im not too comfortable with autologous rhinoplasty (grafting of rib cage or nose soft cartilage) for a nose job primarily coz it means another surgery/ open wound to deal wif.

can anyone offer any advice?

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Postby appletree » Mon, 27 Oct 2008 6:22 am

Acutally comes to think of it, rib/ear cartilage grafting for implants will be better. If you have read up on an article regarding silicones or goretex implants, a doctor mentioned that no implants can last forever, usually needs to replace it in many years down the road.

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Postby TreeHugger » Mon, 27 Oct 2008 1:10 pm

Appletree,

Did you intend to go to Dr. Kao?

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yea... but

Postby tobehunk » Mon, 27 Oct 2008 9:12 pm

appletree wrote:Acutally comes to think of it, rib/ear cartilage grafting for implants will be better. If you have read up on an article regarding silicones or goretex implants, a doctor mentioned that no implants can last forever, usually needs to replace it in many years down the road.


seriously, u r lookin at forever? firstly, nothing is forever... secondly, most probably say after 5 or even 15 years, u become bored/dissatisfied, u will wan to change sth again... maybe sharpen the tip or just to maintain the angle, etc. things will change again.

wat im looking at is like maybe good for the next 30 - 40 years is good enough.

the way i look at it, im now 30+, if the good nose can last me (without any adverse effects), then having a good nose for 30 - 40yr is very good liao...
assuming then, by 60, i may wan sth entirely changed then the nose (rib graft/bone/silicon/gortex) may not so much matter.

but if i do the rib/ear graft, then i have to repeating puncture an extra wound just to redo or change/ and as i go older, wouldnt my body's materials deteriorate over time... then how good n feasible would it be to use say my ear graft when im 45? see wat i mean? tat is one of my fears...

the other concern i have is the extra surgery need to obtain my rib/ear graft... more risk involved...

has anyone here done the rib/ear graft surgery for the nose? and hows the experience? pls share...

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Postby cersepn » Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:40 pm

tobehunk wrote:seriously, u r lookin at forever? firstly, nothing is forever... secondly, most probably say after 5 or even 15 years, u become bored/dissatisfied, u will wan to change sth again... maybe sharpen the tip or just to maintain the angle, etc. things will change again.

the way i look at it, im now 30+, if the good nose can last me (without any adverse effects), then having a good nose for 30 - 40yr is very good liao...
assuming then, by 60, i may wan sth entirely changed then the nose (rib graft/bone/silicon/gortex) may not so much matter.

but if i do the rib/ear graft, then i have to repeating puncture an extra wound just to redo or change/ and as i go older, wouldnt my body's materials deteriorate over time... then how good n feasible would it be to use say my ear graft when im 45? see wat i mean? tat is one of my fears...

the other concern i have is the extra surgery need to obtain my rib/ear graft... more risk involved...

has anyone here done the rib/ear graft surgery for the nose? and hows the experience? pls share...

Maybe that's your own philosophy. But for a majority of people, obviously they want their first nose job to be their last. If you're bored/not satisfied of the nose after a few years, it can only mean one thing: You didn't do enough research back then to see what was the ideal type of nose you wanted, or you have unreal expectations.. or maybe the doc just wasn't good enough. Basically all the factors are a 'user-fault', the last factor maybe not so much.

Unfortunately given the complexity of rhinoplasty, i'm talking about full rhino here including tip work, cartilage graft, collumelar strut etc etc, NOT referring to just simple implant to raise bridge, not many docs are fully adept at it.

Although korea is leading the way in rhino, but the sheer amount of revisions done there is still testament to the fact that rhino still has a long long way to go.

"but if i do the rib/ear graft, then i have to repeating puncture an extra wound just to redo or change/ and as i go older, wouldnt my body's materials deteriorate over time... then how good n feasible would it be to use say my ear graft when im 45"

You're underestimating the human body! The cartilage is very strong man. Even if the cartilage becomes 'lousier' when a person ages, don't forget that by the time you're 45, there will definitely be new advances in rhino + drs gain more and more experience => better technique + results. This is certain cos i'm sure many of you have aunties who cut their double eyelid in the past and the results are just bleah, compared to now when the results are generally very good.

The surgery to obtain the rib graft is rather invasive but still very safe. I haven't done the op for the rib graft myself, but i've read of the procedure and it doesn't involve any major body parts at all. The scar is probably one of the biggest concerns and it is well valid, esp for ladies.. but what to do? Sacrifices have to be made. I believe some ppl here have went the autogolous route and even for the ladies, the pain was well-tolerable

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Postby UglyPiglet » Tue, 28 Oct 2008 2:43 pm

Hey everyone, updates on my appointment with Dr Su. Yeah, I'm so excited~! :) Just now I called them again, the nurse told me that 05Dec can accomodate a slot for me. And arrange consultation on 02Dec. Now problems :( 01Dec i'll reach Kaohsiung and go for Dr Hsu final consultation for nose surgery on 03Dec. Next day 02 Dec have to go to taipei for Dr Su consultation. Will I be able to reach taipei in time and come back in time to Kaohsiung for nose surgery??? And I also let the nurse know that I'm doing my nose first then eyes. But she comment is not advisable if I'm doing epi(due to swelling and bruises), then she say whatever it is shall wait till I see Dr Su first. :( What do you all think?

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Postby feline.eyes » Tue, 28 Oct 2008 6:48 pm

UglyPiglet wrote:Hey everyone, updates on my appointment with Dr Su. Yeah, I'm so excited~! :) Just now I called them again, the nurse told me that 05Dec can accomodate a slot for me. And arrange consultation on 02Dec. Now problems :( 01Dec i'll reach Kaohsiung and go for Dr Hsu final consultation for nose surgery on 03Dec. Next day 02 Dec have to go to taipei for Dr Su consultation. Will I be able to reach taipei in time and come back in time to Kaohsiung for nose surgery??? And I also let the nurse know that I'm doing my nose first then eyes. But she comment is not advisable if I'm doing epi(due to swelling and bruises), then she say whatever it is shall wait till I see Dr Su first. :( What do you all think?


Not taking into consideration as in if it is advisable to have such a tight schedule, you can actually do it if you want to, as in terms of time; it only takes under two hours one way from Taipei to Kaohsiung. But that said, I think it is better to have at least one week in between surgery. If you are really concern, maybe try to give Dr Su a call? Maybe you can reschedule for a later date?
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Postby UglyPiglet » Tue, 28 Oct 2008 9:51 pm

feline.eyes wrote:
UglyPiglet wrote:Hey everyone, updates on my appointment with Dr Su. Yeah, I'm so excited~! :) Just now I called them again, the nurse told me that 05Dec can accomodate a slot for me. And arrange consultation on 02Dec. Now problems :( 01Dec i'll reach Kaohsiung and go for Dr Hsu final consultation for nose surgery on 03Dec. Next day 02 Dec have to go to taipei for Dr Su consultation. Will I be able to reach taipei in time and come back in time to Kaohsiung for nose surgery??? And I also let the nurse know that I'm doing my nose first then eyes. But she comment is not advisable if I'm doing epi(due to swelling and bruises), then she say whatever it is shall wait till I see Dr Su first. :( What do you all think?


Not taking into consideration as in if it is advisable to have such a tight schedule, you can actually do it if you want to, as in terms of time; it only takes under two hours one way from Taipei to Kaohsiung. But that said, I think it is better to have at least one week in between surgery. If you are really concern, maybe try to give Dr Su a call? Maybe you can reschedule for a later date?


Well I don't mind having tight schedule, my concern still narrow down to do which first, nose or eyes. As time is not favourable to me, therefore, a week between both surgery is really out. I guess I'll stick with my original plan to do nose first. I'll only know more when I see Dr Su for my consultation. Thanks Feline for sharing ur opinions, just really don't know how complicated a problem can go when time constrain. :(


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