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Postby bbabymilo » Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:45 pm

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Postby takuda » Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:08 pm

hi cupcakez, sounds interesting that 2 tw docs are prefering goretex to silicon already..ur last eye job was done with dr chuang? why is it not ideal to you? because the height goes down over time? i think that happens to all..even mine, it's a lot lower now. maybe the next time u do, regardless of which surgeon, tell him this problem and ask him to make it slightly higher so even if it goes down, it's ur desired height.

i'm personally looking at dr chuang for revision, haha! i've heard good reviews of him on eyes, and the reason why is because he isn't exactly conservative..if u tell him what you want. i was even more assured of dr chuang after vickyabc(another forummer) showed us her pics..

I think artwood(dr yang) specialises in eyes. but very few people went. and the only one review was a short one saying ''can find a better doc'' so i'm skeptical about him. seems like we're heading in the same direction, haha!!

was decided on silicon but now i'm not sure again. the thing is goretex really makes removal difficult(although we hope we dont have to). you decided on goretex/medpor rather than silicon already?
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Postby bella10 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 1:07 am

All those who had surgery with Dr. Chuang,

Do you have any idea as to how I can contact him? I have sent him two emails and it has been around 10 days now and no reply. I am eager to hear his opinion of my pics and the procedures that I should do. Is his email still the one posted on his site: wishclinic? Thank you for any help

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Postby Mialee » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 1:08 am

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Postby boii18 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 1:31 am

Just an update; dr chuang is driving me to my grave.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

Do note that my friend witnessed the consultation process, and confirmed with me that I relayed what I wanted in a detailed, precise manner with diagrams too. He also got results that are TOTAL OPPOSITE of what requested. this doctor PAYS NO ATTENTION to what you want, and MAKES YOU LOOK WEIRD.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

1) Before surgery I requested : I said i did not want eyes that are longer, because closer-set eyes look older and not as friendly. dr chuang said during consultation that, epicanthoplasty has many methods , he can use a method that does not pull the eyes closer together, or make my eyes longer in length. He says that it will just reduce the mongolian fold slightly.

The end result : eyes that are too long, do not fit my face, are longer than the golden proportion mask, and have length of 4mm of tear duct showing on each side. it looks indian and unfriendly.

In email he says : He says that during consultation, he told me that my eyes would be longer 1-1.5 mm, and that I "must remember". My friend says that there is no such thing. It is a lie. He says that he already informed me about the longer eyes, but he DID NOT. It is a lie.

Conclusion : I didnt want my eyes longer with epi, he claims that he wont make my eye longer, during the consultation. Later, after surgery , I complain to him that my eyes are too long. then he LIED to me, and said that he already informed me that my eyes would be longer, and to be specific 1-1.5 mm on both sides. and this itself is a LIE too, since my eyes are longer around 2-2.5 mm!!


:mad: :mad: :mad:

2) Before surgery I requested : I did not want a deep-set eye or a hollowed look and I mentioned repeatedly to him that. I did not want that.
I also told him that I did not want fat removal, as my eyes are hollow enough already. He said, ok.

What he did : He made deep-set eyes for me, and removed fat/muscle, around 20 cents size on both sides. The eyes now look unfriendly, and scary.

In email he says: He says that " I must remember" that I requested a deep-set eye. that is OPPOSITE. to what me and my friend requested! we asked to have eyes that are not deep-set !!!! He claimed( lie ) that he did not remove any orbital fat, when he DID. He removed TISSUE from me, around 20 cents size, I remember a nurse told me want to throw away my FAT. I felt pissed off even though I was sedated.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

3) Before surgery I requested : I requested parallel eyes, eyes that are totally parallel. even showed him pics and drew diagrams. I told him that I did not want a parallel-tapered style which means an eyelid which is parallel, but is tapered towards the epi area.

What I got : parallel-tapered! and it isnt getting any better. The eyes look super-high tapered in photos and this makes it look un-natural and takes on a fierce appearance.

In email he says : my eyes will be parallel shape.



Please DO NOT ever go to dr chuang. Someone even commented that my photo looks scary. This is the FIRST person to comment on this. And I think so too!

My eyes ( in the past ) looked chinese , tapered, and according to dr su, looked 94%.
now after surgery with this irresponsible doctor, my eyes look indian, parallel-tapered, hollow, deep-set, and I look many times uglier and worst.

You know, when I take bus or mrt, i dont even dare to look at people. And when I look at mirror everytime, I am appalled, and disgusted by my ugliness after my eye fats is removed and my eyes pulled closer together takes on a very unfriendly appearance to myself.

Please do NOT ever go to dr chuang. if he can mess up my case, he can mess up yours too. my friend is also testament to Botched eyelid job from dr chuang.

As I have been to many plastic surgeon before, this doctor is a QUACK and a lie. Please do NOT ever go to this doctor. He is the worst.

Plastic surgery is supposed to make you look better. And each procedure I had undergone with Dr pat of tokai clinic, dr somyos of yoskarn clinic had turned me to look better by a bit. This doctor has turned me into a ugly indian piece of shit. And I cannot carry on my life now.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

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Postby bella10 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 3:50 am

Hi Boi118,

I have read your account regarding your dissatisfaction with Dr. Chuang many times as you have posted it over and over many times. I do understand your frustration and disappointment, however, please understand that there are other people who in my opinion, have gotten excellent results with Dr. Chuang. I have seen their photos but I have not seen yours or have any recollection of you posting them.

It is thus unfair to try to sway people from going to Dr. Chuang when you have not posted photos for anyone to see or evaluate. If you did post photos, I apologize in advance but I have not seen them. As soon as someone is interested in Dr. Chuang, you post your experience right after they express their interest. I am sure most people have done thier homework on the surgeon or surgeons of their choice and have made informed decisions.

Again, I am sorry for what you are going through. It is difficult to have anticipations, save money, go through the stress and emotions of surgery only to be unsatisfied in the end. However, most of us have read your account many a time regarding Dr. Chuang and it need not be posted every single time I enquire about him. I have to also take into consideration, the posts from the many satisfied patients who have also been kind enough to not only to relay their experience but also to post their photos so as to make them their account credible.

So again I must ask, does anyone know how I can get into contact with Dr. Chuang via email? Does he always take this long to reply to emails? I'm getting a tad anxious here.

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Postby Blissful09 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 4:51 am

^ Bella i absolutely agree with you as well.
But anyways have you even tried looking at the front page and clicking onto his website and finding his email by yourself? because i found in on his website with ease.......
The doctors contact email address is on there website... and everyone who comes onto this page should read the front page.. because feline_eyes spent her time creating a informational page. kk


Boii BTW what was wrong wiht your eyes to begin with??? If you are gonna get double eyelid of course your gonna look indian. Most attractive asian guys do not have doube eyelids anyways... why do u think so many girls like edison chan? or all those korean hotties? I find boys with double eyelids not good looking at all.. because they look south east asian.

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Postby bella10 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 6:06 am

Hi Blissful,

Yes, I have indeed emailed him via that email address listed on his website almost ten days ago but alas, no response from him. I was asking if anyone had another way of contacting him via email, that is, perhaps an alternative email address because it seems other people on the forums do get into contact with him. So ,it made me wonder if they were using some other email address I am unaware of. I guess I'll have to wait a while longer, patience is a virtue. :)

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Postby jamie82 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:04 am

I think people here should take note of what boii18 has said - already he has pointed out what I consider to be "red flags". Especially when its feedback that from someone who's very very details oriented in his PS research, very seasoned and has been through PS procedures before already.

A doctor that doesn't listen and is always "too busy" is not a good thing. Its the reason why I didn't consider some of the Korean docs, because of the "factory production line" impression I get due to their success, like we are just a commodified object to the doctor rather than a person and human being. I don't doubt Dr. Chuang's skills, but if results come at a price of meeting patient demand with "efficiency", he may be a victim of his own success, e.g. too many patients, too busy which may inadvertently lead to a lapse in his listening skills.

For what its worth, vickyabc had great results with Dr. Chuang, I don't mean it in a bad way, but I saw that she's a very pretty and attractive lady - as awful as it sounds, I think that may be a reason why the doctor gave her extra attention (the doc is still a guy T_T).

So caveat here anyways. I think for those doing research as well, the burden of responsibility also lies on yourself to read up as much as possible, there's only less than 70 pages for this taiwan thread, and feline.eyes has done an AMAZING writeup for our convenience and the english speaking diaspora, otherwise, there would be no way I'd find out about Dr. Kao - so pls pls go read up guys.

Those who consider life changing surgery should not be lazy to sit down and read as much as possible (the main "plastic surgery overseas thread" should not be missed out as well, if you're really serious, please try to read up at least 100 or for nore thoroughness 200 pages over a few weeks). There's even a similar thread on purseblog forums which should not be missed out as well.

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Postby missuglynose » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:42 am

Today's my 3rd day post double eyelid operation. I had mine done via mini-incision method by Dr. Chen at 麗晶診所 (Li Jing Clinic) in Taipei (near Sogo). Although it's only been 3 days, I must say I am VERY satisfied with the service/treatment I received, and also the results.

Right now my eyelids are still swollen but there's minimal bruising and I can see Dr. Chen did an excellent job with the stitches. My wound is about 0.5cm wide in the middle of the upper lids, and after 1.5 months it shouldn't be too noticeable.

I also found that taking 蜈蚣草is really effective! I had one dose yesterday and this morning my swelling and redness has reduced dramatically.

Am currently in the midst of putting up a blog documenting in detail my PS in Taiwan experiences (with pictures). Will share the link soon :)

Time to go ice my wound! Lol, I think I'm the happiest PS patient in the world :D

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Postby boii18 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:54 am

@ bella10

I didn't know that you were keen about going to this scary butcher for surgery.

I don't think I have to apologise for posting my sincere comments and hoping that people who want to go to this butcher, can re-consider.

Even though I have not posted the photos yet, the fact that he did what is OPPOSITE to what I requested shows that he has absolutely no concern for patient's request.

And he has poor eyes for aesthetic sense. Maybe it is because I am a guy, as jamie82 pointed out.

Sighs, I really hate him.

Are there many satisfied patients? Who are they. I don't think there is any really satisfied with his work.

@Blissful09, there are people who did double eyelid surgery and don't look indian. In fact, I have already a tapered double eyelid. I just wanted to convert into a non-deep-set , not long ( do not want epi to make my eyes longer ) parallel eyelid. But what this butcher gave me, was the total opposite.


I really urge people who go to dr chuang to RECONSIDER. There are other good eyelid doctors around in taiwan. Maybe this butcher screwed up me and my friend's case cause we are guys.

@jamie82
do you think dr charan is this kind of person who don't listen to patient? I become kind of fearful of plastic surgeons for this reason. I totally have to agree. Does it have to do with the fact that me and my friend were the last patients of the day?

Sighs, this surgery really ruined my life. I have never seen such a doctor who has shown such blatant contempt for the patient's wants and desires. Only to create an ugly result. I am at day 26 ( almost 1 month post-op ) and I am still very very unhappy.

In fact, this butcher actually made a slanted nose for one forum person I read up quite some time ago. When she went back, this liar said there is nothing that can be done.

Jamie, I got to agree this butcher has a production line process. And this caused his listening skills to deteriorate.

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Postby cupcakez » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 4:22 pm

I'm so sorry you feel so negative about Dr Chuang. I did eyelid surgery with Dr Chuang before. And also did jaw shaving with him before. Ask me anything you need. I'm not unsatisfied but I'm not satisfied either. If that helps.

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Postby cupcakez » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 4:24 pm

takuda wrote:hi cupcakez, sounds interesting that 2 tw docs are prefering goretex to silicon already..ur last eye job was done with dr chuang? why is it not ideal to you? because the height goes down over time? i think that happens to all..even mine, it's a lot lower now. maybe the next time u do, regardless of which surgeon, tell him this problem and ask him to make it slightly higher so even if it goes down, it's ur desired height.

i'm personally looking at dr chuang for revision, haha! i've heard good reviews of him on eyes, and the reason why is because he isn't exactly conservative..if u tell him what you want. i was even more assured of dr chuang after vickyabc(another forummer) showed us her pics..

I think artwood(dr yang) specialises in eyes. but very few people went. and the only one review was a short one saying ''can find a better doc'' so i'm skeptical about him. seems like we're heading in the same direction, haha!!

was decided on silicon but now i'm not sure again. the thing is goretex really makes removal difficult(although we hope we dont have to). you decided on goretex/medpor rather than silicon already?


I'll probably go for goretex or medpor. I had silicone nose and chin before in which eventually both of them I took out. Silicone is good, but it can shift in time and many other problems. Medpor is okay - I find it doesn't give as good result as silicone to be honest, quite hard and maybe a little unnatural but does not shift. Depends where you need it for. That said, I'm gearing towards goretex for my forehead. But we'll see.

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Postby takuda » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 6:05 pm

Boii18, like others, i understand ur frustration and depression because i am one who have had a botched eye job as well. But just allow me to voice my opinions which are not intended to take sides, what more, side Dr Chuang.
1)I feel that it is abit unfair to post such an extreme/draconian review about the doctor, to the extent of calling him a 'butcher'. Well, even if that was Dr Kao/Dr Pat/ any other doctor..Afterall, you're still healing..
2)Like what people always say PS is an art more of a science although it's both. I FEEL what Dr chuang hve failed in this case is the ''art'' part whereby what he did for you isn't your desired shape/design. You ought to acknowledge the ''science'' part which he did well - ie no bad scarring, no assmmetry, etc. WHICH WAS WHAT I GOT. (well maybe except the 20c fat thingy) but after my eye job what i say was like bloody ''veins'' and ''worm-like'' thing rather than circular/globular fats. it's the levator thing if i'm not wrong, so i'm not sure about yours.
3)i have said this previously that the nature of epi = removing mongolian fold, so i would think that logically, without the intention to lengthen/pull closer ur tear ducts, removing the fold would reveal the tear ducts??? I mean, isn't it weird if you remove the fold and you don't see the ducts? On this part, i have to disagree with you..although i feel that Dr chuang should have warned you (if he didn't like what you say)
4)If he confidently says you ''will'' get a parallel crease - just wait for months and see if you get it. If you don't, you always have his email as evidence. I believe he wouldn't dare to make such bold statements if he knew he screwed up. Be patient, after the swelling, it might be a parallel.

P/s: I haven't done anything with chuang so i'm definitely on the neutral side..and Bella, i gotta agree with you about doing research. But not the ''red flags'' part. I mean yes we gotta consider the negative reviews but i have to say even Dr Kao has negative reviews (although few). What i think we should do is take everything with a pinch of salt and be responsible for whatever choices we made. Afterall, Dr chuang's successful & happy patients who shared in this forum aren't entirely females.
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Postby takuda » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 6:36 pm

cupcakez: would it be possible to customise/shape the goretex since they come in sheets? will it be able to give a natural contour (ie round) forehead, instead of high but squarish (due to the sheets) effect? for one, i know silicon can be shaped and craved to fit ur desired contour. sigh, even though i'm not doing forehead this year, i'm alr undecided over the material. and esp after boii18's reviews, it really makes me question if dr chuang is starting to get more ''production line''. have u seen this old forummer (cupidstarz or smth like tht) his forehead? it was done by chuang and he was one of the first few to go..i gotta say..the results is good..what you'd like..a higher, eurasian like forehead.
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