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Postby graysnow » Sat, 09 May 2009 2:49 am

Blissful09 wrote:Hi Graysnow.

Im AFRAID of neeedles so badly.. would you honestly say thats the last thing to worry about? I mean.. they took 2 bottles of blood? Im iron defficent.. meaning when i lose blood i get really dizzy and feel like to pass out. So did it not hurt at all? If its 2 bottles that must be the needle is inside you for a while eh??? UGHH i wanna throw up already just thinking about it.

How much did you pay ot stay in that apartment? Like how much is it per night??? i think i will feel safe and comfortable this way since im a girl staying on my own. Is it owned by the hospital since its connected?
Was there refrigator in that place u stayed so u can keep your cold compress in it?


Hi Blissful09

For me it did not hurt at all. The nurse used cotton to apply some solution on my mid arm. After that she told me she is going to poke liao. She gave me advance warning she is going to poke the needle. It was not painful and she only took 2 small test tube of my blood. The whole process was very fast and quick.

When you book the Kangning Service Apartment, you must inform them that you are Dr Kao patient and are seeing him for consultation/surgery. They will give you a special rate of NT$2000 per night. They have everything you needed (studied room, living room, balcony, bedroom,warerobe room, toilet, washing machine, fridge, kettle, kitchen etc). It is like a condominium and I am really very impressed with it. In addition, breakfast is included. It will be safe because they have security guard and also staff at the lobby/reception 24 hrs. I learnt that the apartment and the hospital belong to the same boss. You will find it very convenient to stay in the apartment and have the surgery performed at Kangning. Even if you need to go for review at Tri-Service Hospital (example like me, I went for review at Kangning but Dr Kao told me he cant remove the stitches for me yet and I have to go bk a couple of days later to remove it but it will be done at Tri Service Hospital), it is still convenient. If u take a cab, it's abt 5-8 mins & cost NT$100. If you travel by bus (Bus No 284), it will take abt 15-20 mins. Hope this info will be useful to you.

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Postby Blissful09 » Sat, 09 May 2009 8:25 am

member2009 wrote:I was considering Dr Kao and Dr Hsu for autologous rhinoplasty. Both doctors are ENT specialists and quite famous in Taiwan. After reading this forum and gathering more infomation, I was planning to go for Dr Kao until I saw a negative review about him from the locals. Check this out (it's a Chinese website):
http://www.fashionguide.com.tw/MsgL/07/ ... 6_1_1.html

Right now, I can't decide who to choose. Does anyone have any bad experience or saw negative comments about Dr Kao or Dr Hsu? I would really appreciate if anyone can share to enlighten me. Thanks a million.

Dr Ryan Hsu
www.ychsu.com

Dr Kao Chuan Hsiang
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/face-nose




DR Kao reply to the accusation:

"Thank you for sending this email to remind me.

He was a tough guy and asked too much for the expectant result.
I try not to do the operation for him at the beginning because I can feel his is not a good canditate for surgery.
But he asked for functional nasal surgery, The most important point is he service in the military and we are supposed to not reject the surgery for the patient, especially the functional problem. We had already well discussion with him..his reaquirement is not reasonable. We did the surgery for him, the functional defect was corrected and the cosmetic result is better! Not just as he said, it is not true.
But you may know, he was not satisfied.
I already did my best to solve his problem with crooked nose and nasal block, we did not charge the cosmetic surgery fee. He only got to pay the hospital for the 10% copay surgery fee covered by national insurane. Money is not a point, I really do not want to make money by this kind of surgery. I try to help my patient, but his allitude is not good for a young male during the whole consultation, really upset me.

Not every review about me is good, right? I just told myself, should I help these patient who really ask too much? I start to say no to help those patients who had bad surgery done by the previous surgeon, that may keep me safer and would not meet trouble induced by the previous doctors.


Dr Kao"

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Postby mikko_baby80 » Sun, 10 May 2009 6:59 pm

Juz to share my view.. there's bound to be gd & bad reviews on each & individual PS. Can't expect 100% gd reviews on em, for instance, even the famous Dr Dean Toriumi & Dr. Kim, Byung Gun also hv negative feedbacks. I'm not trying to defend Dr Kao here. Honestly speaking, I wasn't 100% happy wif my nose coz I still find my alar base wide & Dr Kao did not do alar base reduction considering the fact that my face shape is long. And surprisely, most of my frenz shared the same view as Dr Kao & they find tat my new nose looks natural & much nicer than my original nose. I told em maybe I'll go for alar reduction sometime later but they all disagree wif it saying that tis current nose looks gd on my face. I read through the whole article of wat member2009 posted. The taiwan locals mentioned tat Dr Kao will juz finish the consultation in a quick manner & not clearly explaining wat sort of procedure will be taken until the day of surgery. I've been to the clinic myself, there's indeed a lot of patients queueing up for him. We can't expect to hv a long consultation wif himself plus I believe Dr Kao also need time to analyse our face & nose before deciding wat sort of action needs to be taken in order to beautify our nose. I've had a consultation wif a local dr myself, I do not want to name him in full but he is Dr WSY (i believe u all shld noe who he is). He's even worst. Consultation ends in less than 3mins, tell me he will do this this this & tell me to go out & book appt for surgery if I'm ok wif it. Didn't even ask if I hv anymore questions or ask wat sort of change I wud want.

The reason why I hv chosen Dr Kao is by looking through all his works posted in his blog, I trust his skills. But one thing I gotta agree with wat the local says abt Dr Kao is that he tend to do nose in a more natural way. Natural means maybe we can't achieve the kind of nose like Reis Lee (small sharp tip & tall nose).

There's also many gd reviews on Dr Kao, perhaps we shld give him the benefits of the doubt. As for me, there's no regret that I've chosen to be under the knife of him, though I can't get the Reis Lee's nose which I raved for, but at least all my frenz find my new nose is looking gd on me. I might go bck to Dr Kao for a revision of alar base reduction depending on wat my nose becomes after 6mths later.

To those who are seeking for PS, do as many research as u can before deciding on a surgeon. :D

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Postby mikko_baby80 » Sun, 10 May 2009 7:09 pm

chubbycasper wrote:
Hi Mikkobaby,

Congrats, you look like you are recovering well. I'm now in my 21st week and my nose (especially the tip) is still not settling as well as I had hoped. And I hate my alars! It seems that they are somehow enlarged post surgery.

Are you using any post-surgery care? Hope you continue to have a speedy recovery :)


Hiya chubbycasper,
Yeah I'm recovering well, hope the same goes for u too. My nose tip is oso not quite settled, in the morning especially, my tip appears to be bigger & during the daytime it will become smaller. but i guess its normal coz not all tissue hv healed yet. which part of ur alar is enlarged? izit the at the corner of ur nostril?? awww.. did u do alar base reduction?

I'm only using Mederma Anti Scar Cream. How abt u? My rib wound scar still lookin nasty. :?

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Postby mikko_baby80 » Sun, 10 May 2009 7:12 pm

graysnow wrote:Hi all,

Just to share with a brief update of my recent surgery (during last wk) with Dr Kao.

Day 1
Arrived Taipei in the afternoon ard 1+pm. Headed straight to Kangning Service Apartment. Immediately proceed to Kangning Hospital after I put down my luggage. (I would suggest to those who are having surgery with Dr Kao to do it in Kangning Hospital because it is really very convenient as the hospital is located next to the Service Apartment. In fact, they are connected through the cafeteria at the first level). I waited patiently for my turn. The nurse called my name and I went into the room. Finally I met Dr Kao. I was really surprised because he looks really young. He told me he is 44 yrs old but he looks ard 30+ to me. He was so friendly and helpful. He looked at my condition and told me what he can do to help me. He asked me whether did I bring any photo to show him what type of nose I wished to achieve but I forgot to bring it with me as I was in a hurry (I would advise for those who are having surgery with Dr Kao to remember to bring photo along). Next, was my eye. He looked at my eye and told me that actually single eyelids are also good for guy. However, if i wanted to do it, he can recommend an eye surgeon to me. He said that I can go for consultation first and decide for myself. The consultation with the eye surgeon was fixed in the evening and it was at a different place. I went back to the apartment to rest for a while. In the evening ard 7pm, I hailed a cab and went for my eye consultation. After the eye consultation, I decided to do it and the surgery was fixed on Day 2 afternoon.

Day 2
In the morning, I went for blood test (needle was poked in the mid arm & 2 small test tube was drawn), x-ray etc. I went for breakfast and Jiu Fen for sightseeing. I came bk in the afternoon ard 3+pm for my eyelids surgery. I was expecting some pain but the four shots were not painful. The nurse told me that they use the smallest needle. The surgery took abt 30 mins. After that, I took a cab and went back to the apartment to rest. I went to Shilin Night Market to shop around and have my dinner (of cos with my cap & sunglass as my eyes were swollen) in the evening. I have to stop eating and drinking 8 hrs prior to the surgery.

Day 3
I reported to the hospital for my surgery. I was lying on the bed and waiting to go into the operating theatre. The nurse was so friendly and they chatted with me to make me feel less nervous. Dr Kao came to talk to me and discuss with me one last time what type of nose before the surgery. I showed him the photo in my hp and he also brought with him a magazine for me to see. The photo in my hp was too small for him to see properly and he told me to look at the magazine and see what type of nose I roughly wanted. I was not wearing my specs so I cant see properly. However I leave it to him. Then I was wheeled into the surgery theatre. While they were preparing, I overheard the nurses chatting abt the photo. It was one of the korean actor. After that, the mask was put over my face and within 10 seconds, I was asleep. I woke up around 9+ at night and my body was so painful. Uglypiglet was correct, using rib for rhino is damn painful. I tried not to move as much as possible and I went back to sleep.

Day 4
I woke up again at 6+ in the morning and slowly moved myself out of the bed to the toilet. My bed was the furthest away from the toilet. I was having so much diffculty getting up as my body was in pain. After going to the toilet, I went bk to the bed and the nurse came to inject some antibotics and gave me some medicine. After that, I went bk to sleep again. I woke up at 10+ again and ate some cereal. After that, I took my medicine. The nurse came to told me that Dr Kao would come to see me ard 12+ pm and it was his day off that day. She was so kind enough that she gave me a packet of fruit juice for me to drink as she said I need more vitamin. Dr Kao came to see me and told me everything went on smoothly and I can be discharged. After that, I slowly prepared myself and went bk to the apartment (which is of cos next block) in pain as my body was aching. I bought a few bentos from the 7-11 located on the first level of the apartment for my meal.

Day 5
Spent whole day in the apartment sleeping, resting and trying not to move too much except to eat and go toilet.

Day 6
My body was getting better as it was getting less painful. I also spent almost the whole day in the apartment except to go downstair to buy my meal.

I am going back for my review with Dr Kao and the eye surgeon tomorrow. I am trying to be more cheerful and think on the positive side as possible so that I get well soon. Ok, that's all for my update. I hope my experience will help for those who are coming for surgery soon as I learnt from Dr Kao that there will be some sporean coming to see him next week. Btw, for those who have surgery performed by Dr Kao, can u tell me where you bought the 'Wu Kong Cao' as mentioned in this forum. Dr Kao never mentioned this to me and when I asked the nurse, she told me she dont know anything abt 'Wu Kong Cao'. I wished to reduce my bruise and swollen nose/eye asap.


Gratz graysnow!! ur detailed report brings bck endless fond memories for me. haha.. hope u r having a gd recovery & get well soon ya. :wink:

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Postby mikko_baby80 » Sun, 10 May 2009 7:15 pm

Brenton wrote:Hi Mikkobaby:

Yeah your nose definately look better now :)


keke.. thanxs Brenton, yeah i lur my new nose now & big improvements especially when I took photo nowadays. last time when i take photo, my big nose tends to be the center of attraction. LOL..

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Postby Blissful09 » Mon, 11 May 2009 1:47 pm

Anyone know if any doctors provide a Blepharoplasty....i mean Eye lipo??

Its very strange when i was like 12 -15.. my eyes lids were very noticable... now i find that my eyelids arent as oticable because of the saggy on the skin on my eyes.. i have alot of droppy meat on my eyes if that makes sense... i dont want double eyelid surgery because i have it...

i know there is a surgery called Blepharoplasty but thats only for the under eye bag part... is there such surgery to take the fat out from your eyes?? lipo for eyes? hmm

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Postby Brenton » Tue, 12 May 2009 1:54 am

Blissful09 wrote:Anyone know if any doctors provide a Blepharoplasty....i mean Eye lipo??

Its very strange when i was like 12 -15.. my eyes lids were very noticable... now i find that my eyelids arent as oticable because of the saggy on the skin on my eyes.. i have alot of droppy meat on my eyes if that makes sense... i dont want double eyelid surgery because i have it...

i know there is a surgery called Blepharoplasty but thats only for the under eye bag part... is there such surgery to take the fat out from your eyes?? lipo for eyes? hmm


Blepharoplasty refers to the cosmetic surgery of the eyes.

Upper blepharoplasty refers to double eye surgery OR correction of droppy upper eyelid.

Lower blepharoplasty refers to removing of eyebags.

You can always ask the doctor the maintain the fold while removing the fats....which was what my mom did...

In the end, her result wasn't very good as the doctor really just removed the fats and maintained her original fold...without cutting away the excessive skins...plus she did hers in locally by a famous doctor...

If you are really considering surgery, please do more research as it's your own face and the research would definitely do you good...

gosh i am so naggy.. :P

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Postby Blissful09 » Tue, 12 May 2009 2:40 am

Brenton wrote:
Blepharoplasty refers to the cosmetic surgery of the eyes.

Upper blepharoplasty refers to double eye surgery OR correction of droppy upper eyelid.

Lower blepharoplasty refers to removing of eyebags.

You can always ask the doctor the maintain the fold while removing the fats....which was what my mom did...

In the end, her result wasn't very good as the doctor really just removed the fats and maintained her original fold...without cutting away the excessive skins...plus she did hers in locally by a famous doctor...

If you are really considering surgery, please do more research as it's your own face and the research would definitely do you good...

gosh i am so naggy.. :P



no THANK YOU SOOOO SOOOO MUCH! u are my life saver!
See the thing is... im still VERY YOUNG lol. I was afraid the same thing might happen to me too.. so i really think double eyelid surgery is the best way... i love my eyelids.. but i think i have to do it.. i always see girls with bright eyes.. and there eyes are like flat you know? mine is puffy. Did your mom she a big change? also did her double eyelids look appear bigger after the fat was sucked out? U said there wasnt a big difference right? and the skin was still left there?

I dont know if you are able to answer my question...but which one is CHEAPER lolz Upper blepharoplasty double eye surgery OR correction of droppy upper eyelid??? Or are they the same price?????

i always wonder where they stick the needle/tube to suck out the fat from eyes? did she get a scar?? Also do you think that overal FACE LIPO will help make the eye fat flatter?

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Postby Pinkyice » Thu, 14 May 2009 2:02 am

Blissful09 wrote:I dont know if you are able to answer my question...but which one is CHEAPER lolz Upper blepharoplasty double eye surgery OR correction of droppy upper eyelid??? Or are they the same price?????


If I'm not wrong, correction of droppy eyelids (ptosis) is by levator surgery and levator surgeryis usually done in conjunction with double eyelid surgery for best results.
I am heading to Taiwan in July for above both.

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Postby cersepn » Thu, 14 May 2009 2:30 am

Pinkyice wrote:
Blissful09 wrote:I dont know if you are able to answer my question...but which one is CHEAPER lolz Upper blepharoplasty double eye surgery OR correction of droppy upper eyelid??? Or are they the same price?????


If I'm not wrong, correction of droppy eyelids (ptosis) is by levator surgery and levator surgeryis usually done in conjunction with double eyelid surgery for best results.
I am heading to Taiwan in July for above both.

Hmm they're not the same.
Droopy eyelids are droopy eyelids, puffy eyelids are puffy eyelids.
Puffy eyelids are not ptosis. They're very different.

It's very difficult to expect puffy eyelids to look the same, just without the fats, after removing the fats. It's always best to undertake dbl eyelid surgery together. And well.. i know many people like their existing double eyelids, but not much point just taking out the fats and then looking back a few months later thinking that you should have just cut double eyelid together.

Best to let the doctor decide

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Postby Blissful09 » Thu, 14 May 2009 6:51 am

Pinkyice wrote:

If I'm not wrong, correction of droppy eyelids (ptosis) is by levator surgery and levator surgeryis usually done in conjunction with double eyelid surgery for best results.
I am heading to Taiwan in July for above both.


who is doing your eyes in Taiwan?? how much is it?

well i know the other person said there mom did it..and in the end even tho the fat got sucked out.. the skin was still lose. But i wonder if it will be different for me since im young right. I wanna get lipo in my face.. but im not sure if that will effect the eyes enough.

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Postby Pinkyice » Thu, 14 May 2009 12:48 pm

Blissful09 wrote:who is doing your eyes in Taiwan?? how much is it?

well i know the other person said there mom did it..and in the end even tho the fat got sucked out.. the skin was still lose. But i wonder if it will be different for me since im young right. I wanna get lipo in my face.. but im not sure if that will effect the eyes enough.


Dr Jong is the one doing it, but is your eyelids droppy or puffy?
Because if you have droppy eyelids, levator surgery is the only option if you want bigger eyes which was what I mentioned in my previous post.

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Re: Sooo many caucasian patients having problems with Torium

Postby rolog809 » Sat, 16 May 2009 1:54 am

OversizedTnose wrote:Although I definitely know Toriumi's strong point is with Asian noses, what he has been doing to many caucasian patients is nealy sinful.... overly wide, long, and projected noses with fairly turned-down tips is NOT conducive to aesthetics of caucasian faces....
Plus, I have a hump/bump directly between my eyes, and above it is a lowering and narrowing (this shows where the end of a graft is!) creates a very odd, unaesthetic, and unnatural appearance....

All this, and he charges OVER $30,000 USD.... plus he rips a substantial piece of rib from your chest!.....

A piece of unused rib (don't know where the rest has gone, because it seems you could make 6 noses from it!) is stored behind my left ear, directly interferring with the wearing eyeglasses, sunglasses, and goggles...

PLUS, the nose is rock-hard.... In order to kiss someone, I have to turn my head 90 degrees... AND, due to the rigidness, I can't smile as freely as possible -- because the nose doesn't move!....


OversizedTnose can you please email me at (my username on this forum)@gmail.com ?

I have your same problem and from same surgeon. I can't PM here because "not enough posts"

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Postby currykakari » Mon, 18 May 2009 1:14 am

member2009 wrote:I was considering Dr Kao and Dr Hsu for autologous rhinoplasty. Both doctors are ENT specialists and quite famous in Taiwan. After reading this forum and gathering more infomation, I was planning to go for Dr Kao until I saw a negative review about him from the locals. Check this out (it's a Chinese website):
http://www.fashionguide.com.tw/MsgL/07/ ... 6_1_1.html

Right now, I can't decide who to choose. Does anyone have any bad experience or saw negative comments about Dr Kao or Dr Hsu? I would really appreciate if anyone can share to enlighten me. Thanks a million.

Dr Ryan Hsu
www.ychsu.com

Dr Kao Chuan Hsiang
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/face-nose



Has anyone did rhionplasty with Dr Ryan Hsu? So far are you happy with the result? As I am going this June..so Im rather worried. Would really appreciate if you can share your experience. Thank you


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