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Re: Facial Bone Shaving REport!

Postby milk~ » Wed, 24 Dec 2008 7:24 pm

Hi dimensionspectrum,

Your fren did the facial bone shaving with Dr Hsieh @ wish clinic, isit good? What kind of light therapy is that to help in the deswelling?? I cant decide who to choose. Dr Hsieh/Chuang @ wish clinic or Dr Tsai?


dimensionspectrum wrote:Hi all,

For those who are keen on facial bone shaving, i have some updates since one of my friend has already done it and it's 1 week post op.
I cant go till end of the year!

She did it with Dr Hsieh @ Wish Clinic. Dr hsieh & Dr Chuang are of the same clinic.

She says it's not painful at all, but it's uncomfortable due to the swell...
The 1st 3 days are quite bad but 4th day onwards, she feels better.
The drainage tube when removed is uncomfortable, not exactly painful till it makes u cry though(which i thought it is).

She healed very fast (because she's so diligent to do her cold and warm compress) and she goes back to the clinic EVERYDAY to undergo this light therapy which helps to hasten deswelling.
And she went shopping on the 5th day!!!!!!

She can see herself very different esp the 45degree angle and she's very satisfied with it.
She did malarplasty(cheek reduction) and jaw bone shaving.
I know she's going to be very pretty! :girl:
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Postby kaka » Wed, 24 Dec 2008 7:59 pm

Just got back from Dr Chuang's clinic for light therapy. My face is still swollen, and lips still numb. The first day when I came back to hotel I just slept till next day. I went out for awhile on 2nd day to buy food. Today is third day, I took the train to Dr Chuang's clinic and the train back again to hotel and went to buy my food also. My point is, I think it is manageable. I am in Taipei alone and I don't feel like it's too much to deal with. For people who wanna do jaw shaving, I think it's not really so traumatic as what most would expect.

Still waiting for moonlight to get back to me so that I have some shopping companion. and I kinda miss aneles now that she has went back to SG!

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Postby milk~ » Thu, 25 Dec 2008 1:41 pm

Hihi dimensionspectrum,
I have also msn Dr Hsieh last night and i could feel he was a reely professional doctor, he got good knowledge of all procedure.
I think it a higher possiblity that i will got to him then Dr tsai or chen now. You still doing research on Dr Kim? =)


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kfav9 wrote:^Is that quote in Singapore Dollars? I'm planning on going to Dr. Chuang as well, for my face and nose. There are mixed reviews about him though about the nose. I'm kind of scared, but you know all doctors are not perfect, so I'm taking a risk. Unless, someone can recommend a doctor or a clinic that's both good in rhinoplasty and face shaping.


Yes in Singdollars. I converted.
Hmmmm...my friend who did rhinoplasty with Dr Chuang...she was very happy but i didnt like it. It looks very westernised...lt's too high, it started at the eyebrow..
But she likes it! Well...personally i wouldnt go to him for rhinoplasty bcos i prefer using ribs instead of the foreign objects.

For face shaping,Dr Hsieh is really caring and professional dr. I also msn him to discuss face shaping with him..He's a little more expensive than Dr Chuang but his english is very good. I think he studied in the states or something. I cant rem. My friend is very happy with it too..and i thought it looks quite good too!

I asked Dr Kao/Dr Hsu and Dr Chuang if i can do my face and nose at the same trip..and they said, unless it's done togther, if not it's a no no...

I only wanted autologous...so Dr Chuang is out(He does it but he charges too high and he doesnt do that too often compared to Dr Hsu and Dr Kao)...that means a separate trip aft the face surgery has deswelled which can be another 6mths later. =(
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Postby dimensionspectrum » Fri, 26 Dec 2008 9:24 am

HI Milk~,

My internet was down bcos of my modem that has got some prob.
And bcos of the holidays, it's gonna be replaced today. *FINALLY!!!*

Anyway, ya i wanna call Beijing i was saying...
But in the end i havent.
Anyway i found out his English name.
He is Dr Kim Hyun Chul...

If nothing goes wrong, i should be able to chat online with you tonight!

Er the light thingy is provided free of charge in Dr Chuang's clinic.
I think it's a blue light to help hasten deswell.
When i called the clinic the other time, the nurse told me usually patients would call for Dr CHuang for the bone shaving procedures rather than Dr Hsieh. But then again Dr Hsieh i think only joined Dr Chuang later..So not many ppl may have known him? I dont know...just my guess.

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Postby dimensionspectrum » Fri, 26 Dec 2008 3:05 pm

The bone shaving prices that was quoted to me.
Please rem it's for my case. Prices may differ for individuals.

Dr Tsai

Jaw reduction NTD 160,000
Jaw + chin = NTD 200,000
Jaw + Zygoma = NTD 250,000
Jaw + Chin + Zygoma = NTD 280,000
The blood test and X ray are not included.
(Blood test: NTD 1600, X ray: NTD 1800, Consultation: TWD 300)
Prices includes one night stay in the clinic.
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Dr Chuang

Jaw reduction = NTD 140k
Malar = NTD 150K
Buccal Fat Removal = NTD 40K
Chin = NTD 60K
Prices includes: pre-op x-rays, blood test, general anaesthesia, one day admission, post-op follow-up, medications and stitches removal.
Packages prices avail if you do 2 or more procedures tog.

He said NONE of his patients had permanent numbness.
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Dr Loh (Chang Gung Hospital)

Malar and Jaw = 260K
Liposuction for face = 60k
DOES NOT INCLUDE hospital stay/blood test..etc.
Registration Fee:NT$ 500
Consultation Fee:NT$ 1000 or above
Additional charges for medications, tests, and treatments.
Private room:NT$ 6170 per day(including physician's fee and nursing fee)
Double room:NT$ 4670 per day(including physician's fee and nursing fee)
Shared room:NT$ 3170 per day(including physician's fee and nursing fee)
Additional charges for medications, tests, surgery, treatments, and meals.
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Dr Hsieh (He charges differently fr Dr Chuang)
Malarplasty alone: 160,000 NTD

Reduction mandibuloplasty alone: 140,000 NTD
Facial lipectomy(Liposuction): 50,000 NTD
Combined Malarplasty + Mandibuloplasty: 250,000 NTD
Combined Malarplasty + Mandibuloplasty + Facial Lipectomy: 280,000 NTD

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Pls do not quote me when u r enquiring with the doctors.
It's just a guideline.
:)

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Postby jess82 » Fri, 26 Dec 2008 4:44 pm

Jocundster wrote:
jess82 wrote:
aneles wrote:
Jocundster wrote:
kittygirl8 wrote:Hi uglypiglet,

You mean you feel the same way too? But you looked absolutely gorgeous!!! Do you mean absorption will occur? What does that mean? Does it mean the high bridge will definitely be lower and that I am not being too paranoid now cos I am seriously feeling very depressed about it..... :(


Hi Kittygirl8,

I did my rhinoplasty with Dr Kao on the 28th Nov~ Don't get worried over the current look right now okie? hahhaa.. to be honest with you, i was abit like "wht E Hell" at first but now after almost 3 wks, the nose bridge and wings has become smaller but not totally there yet. So be patient and wait okie? A Happier girl is the way to a healthier recovery~

i was at a very bad condition after my surgery compare to others, Dr Kao actually gave me more medi~ That was caused by my playfulness, i went to Luxy (clubbing) after my surgery, inhaled 2nd smoke everyday and drank Choya almost everyday. But after he nagged me like my dad, I was more careful and less playful~

I think it will take at leas like 2 mths for a totally de-swell~
Be patient....


Hi Jocundster,

Are you the patient that went partying on the 2nd day after surgery????

Dr Kao's associate doctor (this filipino doc) was telling me that there is this patient that amazed them, can go out dancing & drinking at the disco on the 2nd day - when i heard that, i was like 'wtf??? how on earth is that possible when im still feeling so feeble & barely can walk myself to the toilet???' hahahahaha

You are quite amazing work! But its good to hear that you were able to enjoy yourself during this time - makes me feel shy that I am here whining. ;p


Wow!... That a very interesting experience to share!.. partying after Rhino surgery??... Anyway, i always imagine that the nose will keep bleeding for at least 2 days after surgery and very difficult to breath. Also if nose itchy also cannot scratch... :p



Dear Jess82,

it was an interesting experience for me~

To answer your question, my nose stopped bleeding constantly after 2nd days but it will still bleed partially, so get your cottonbuds ready wherever you go... I have no breathing & itchiness problems after the surgery, so don't worry about it~ If i have any breathing problem, i think i will die first because i am asthmatic~ LOL



Cheers,
Jo


Thanks Jo for your reply! You are so courageous despite of your asthma prob. Anyway I have sent email to Dr Kao, he is so efficient and have replied my email within a week! He even requested for a high resolution of my photographs so that he can evaluate it better. He's suggesting either Ear cartilage with GoreTex (implant) or the autogenous rib cartilage rhinoplasty. I think the latter seems to be better since it sounds all natural.

Anyone has any idea which part of our body can we find rib cartilage? At the ribs? Also, Ear cartilage with GoreTex (implant) or the autogenous rib cartilage rhinoplasty is more of the 'korean type nose surgery'?

Cheers & Merry X'mas to all!
Jess82

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Postby jessicat » Tue, 30 Dec 2008 1:06 am

jess82 wrote:
Jocundster wrote:
jess82 wrote:
aneles wrote:
Jocundster wrote:
kittygirl8 wrote:Hi uglypiglet,

You mean you feel the same way too? But you looked absolutely gorgeous!!! Do you mean absorption will occur? What does that mean? Does it mean the high bridge will definitely be lower and that I am not being too paranoid now cos I am seriously feeling very depressed about it..... :(


Hi Kittygirl8,

I did my rhinoplasty with Dr Kao on the 28th Nov~ Don't get worried over the current look right now okie? hahhaa.. to be honest with you, i was abit like "wht E Hell" at first but now after almost 3 wks, the nose bridge and wings has become smaller but not totally there yet. So be patient and wait okie? A Happier girl is the way to a healthier recovery~

i was at a very bad condition after my surgery compare to others, Dr Kao actually gave me more medi~ That was caused by my playfulness, i went to Luxy (clubbing) after my surgery, inhaled 2nd smoke everyday and drank Choya almost everyday. But after he nagged me like my dad, I was more careful and less playful~

I think it will take at leas like 2 mths for a totally de-swell~
Be patient....


Hi Jocundster,

Are you the patient that went partying on the 2nd day after surgery????

Dr Kao's associate doctor (this filipino doc) was telling me that there is this patient that amazed them, can go out dancing & drinking at the disco on the 2nd day - when i heard that, i was like 'wtf??? how on earth is that possible when im still feeling so feeble & barely can walk myself to the toilet???' hahahahaha

You are quite amazing work! But its good to hear that you were able to enjoy yourself during this time - makes me feel shy that I am here whining. ;p


Wow!... That a very interesting experience to share!.. partying after Rhino surgery??... Anyway, i always imagine that the nose will keep bleeding for at least 2 days after surgery and very difficult to breath. Also if nose itchy also cannot scratch... :p



Dear Jess82,

it was an interesting experience for me~

To answer your question, my nose stopped bleeding constantly after 2nd days but it will still bleed partially, so get your cottonbuds ready wherever you go... I have no breathing & itchiness problems after the surgery, so don't worry about it~ If i have any breathing problem, i think i will die first because i am asthmatic~ LOL



Cheers,
Jo


Thanks Jo for your reply! You are so courageous despite of your asthma prob. Anyway I have sent email to Dr Kao, he is so efficient and have replied my email within a week! He even requested for a high resolution of my photographs so that he can evaluate it better. He's suggesting either Ear cartilage with GoreTex (implant) or the autogenous rib cartilage rhinoplasty. I think the latter seems to be better since it sounds all natural.

Anyone has any idea which part of our body can we find rib cartilage? At the ribs? Also, Ear cartilage with GoreTex (implant) or the autogenous rib cartilage rhinoplasty is more of the 'korean type nose surgery'?

Cheers & Merry X'mas to all!
Jess82



Hi Jess82,

I've contacted Dr Kao too... Will be headin to taiwan in mid feb. Yeh! Can't wait to see Dr Kao... U can find more info and details at Dr Kao blog http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/face-nose Hope this will help... Cheers!

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Postby Jocundster » Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:23 pm

jess82 wrote:
Jocundster wrote:
jess82 wrote:
aneles wrote:
Jocundster wrote:
kittygirl8 wrote:Hi uglypiglet,

You mean you feel the same way too? But you looked absolutely gorgeous!!! Do you mean absorption will occur? What does that mean? Does it mean the high bridge will definitely be lower and that I am not being too paranoid now cos I am seriously feeling very depressed about it..... :(


Hi Kittygirl8,

I did my rhinoplasty with Dr Kao on the 28th Nov~ Don't get worried over the current look right now okie? hahhaa.. to be honest with you, i was abit like "wht E Hell" at first but now after almost 3 wks, the nose bridge and wings has become smaller but not totally there yet. So be patient and wait okie? A Happier girl is the way to a healthier recovery~

i was at a very bad condition after my surgery compare to others, Dr Kao actually gave me more medi~ That was caused by my playfulness, i went to Luxy (clubbing) after my surgery, inhaled 2nd smoke everyday and drank Choya almost everyday. But after he nagged me like my dad, I was more careful and less playful~

I think it will take at leas like 2 mths for a totally de-swell~
Be patient....


Hi Jocundster,

Are you the patient that went partying on the 2nd day after surgery????

Dr Kao's associate doctor (this filipino doc) was telling me that there is this patient that amazed them, can go out dancing & drinking at the disco on the 2nd day - when i heard that, i was like 'wtf??? how on earth is that possible when im still feeling so feeble & barely can walk myself to the toilet???' hahahahaha

You are quite amazing work! But its good to hear that you were able to enjoy yourself during this time - makes me feel shy that I am here whining. ;p


Wow!... That a very interesting experience to share!.. partying after Rhino surgery??... Anyway, i always imagine that the nose will keep bleeding for at least 2 days after surgery and very difficult to breath. Also if nose itchy also cannot scratch... :p



Dear Jess82,

it was an interesting experience for me~

To answer your question, my nose stopped bleeding constantly after 2nd days but it will still bleed partially, so get your cottonbuds ready wherever you go... I have no breathing & itchiness problems after the surgery, so don't worry about it~ If i have any breathing problem, i think i will die first because i am asthmatic~ LOL



Cheers,
Jo


Thanks Jo for your reply! You are so courageous despite of your asthma prob. Anyway I have sent email to Dr Kao, he is so efficient and have replied my email within a week! He even requested for a high resolution of my photographs so that he can evaluate it better. He's suggesting either Ear cartilage with GoreTex (implant) or the autogenous rib cartilage rhinoplasty. I think the latter seems to be better since it sounds all natural.

Anyone has any idea which part of our body can we find rib cartilage? At the ribs? Also, Ear cartilage with GoreTex (implant) or the autogenous rib cartilage rhinoplasty is more of the 'korean type nose surgery'?

Cheers & Merry X'mas to all!
Jess82


Hi Jess82,
i have attached a picture to explain how the ribs cartilage looks like and from what i researched, the 7th rib cart is the best one part from ribs for rhinoplasty:

Image[/img]

As far as i know, the koreans like to use goretex as they give a softer & natural look, however do also take note that there is a possibility that goretex will expand over time too.. As for rib cart. they can give a higher bridge but they can look quite hard too and... Pros & cons for all...

Just for your own reference, for actual details, check with your doctor will be the best option~

Cheers,
Eve.H

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Postby cersepn » Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:25 pm

Any evidence to show that goretex will expand? That's the first time i've heard of that potential side effect and i'm curious to know where you got that info from.

And no, korea uses much more silicon implants than gortex ones.. hands down.

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Postby Jocundster » Thu, 01 Jan 2009 5:27 am

cersepn wrote:Any evidence to show that goretex will expand? That's the first time i've heard of that potential side effect and i'm curious to know where you got that info from.

And no, korea uses much more silicon implants than gortex ones.. hands down.


Hi Cersepn,

i could understand your concern~ However i read this in a book and i have asked another doctor who is wrking with Dr. kao about and he said there is such cases... Goretex (related to windbreaker material) is still a foreign material that one is inputting on itself, so we got to prepare for all situation.

Korea does use silicon but they use goretex too.. its the kind of effect that you are looking at... Silicon is more defined and goretex is much natural looking. Silicon is very much commonly used in korea in the past because it is cheaper and easier to get rid of if there is any problems.

But nowadays, the in-thing in Korea is looking natural and ultimately its the cost and the person who opt for the operation that make the decision.
Before i had my surgery with Dr. kao, i have seeked advise from korea's doctors too and they have offered me 2 options, Silicon or Goretex where Goretex is a much X option.

Like what i posted in the previous msg, its all for reference, so best check with your doctor personally and ask them for advise before you do anything to your own body~


Cheers,
Jo

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Postby cupcakez » Fri, 02 Jan 2009 1:19 pm

Dr Kao told me goretex has limitations even with cartilage you can't achieve a very high bridge, how come Korean celebs can get such high bridge from goretex, it looks too natural to be silicone too.

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Postby cersepn » Fri, 02 Jan 2009 2:27 pm

Jocundster wrote:Hi Cersepn,

i could understand your concern~ However i read this in a book and i have asked another doctor who is wrking with Dr. kao about and he said there is such cases... Goretex (related to windbreaker material) is still a foreign material that one is inputting on itself, so we got to prepare for all situation.

Korea does use silicon but they use goretex too.. its the kind of effect that you are looking at... Silicon is more defined and goretex is much natural looking. Silicon is very much commonly used in korea in the past because it is cheaper and easier to get rid of if there is any problems.

But nowadays, the in-thing in Korea is looking natural and ultimately its the cost and the person who opt for the operation that make the decision.
Before i had my surgery with Dr. kao, i have seeked advise from korea's doctors too and they have offered me 2 options, Silicon or Goretex where Goretex is a much X option.

That still doesn't explain anything lol but nvm. Silicon is still the most commonly used in korea hands down.

About korea celebrities having natural noses - i don't think that's true. There's plenty of korea celebs with odd looking noses, presumably from past nose jobs. Just because it is natural looking does not mean it must be gortex, nor does it always mean it's silicon also. Alot of it is dependent on the doctor's skill.

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Postby cersepn » Fri, 02 Jan 2009 2:29 pm

cupcakez wrote:Dr Kao told me goretex has limitations even with cartilage you can't achieve a very high bridge, how come Korean celebs can get such high bridge from goretex, it looks too natural to be silicone too.

yea, can't achieve high bridge for sure. It's just the nature of the gortex implant. If you don't already know.. the way the gortex implant is placed is like this: stacks of thin gortex layers are laid on top of one another (simplified explanation but the gist is there), unlike silicon which is one solid piece with the dorsum shape and everything already there

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Postby cupcakez » Fri, 02 Jan 2009 9:29 pm

Dr Park from Korea, is he recommended for nose?

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Postby boii18 » Sun, 04 Jan 2009 7:55 am

I am greatly swayed in two directions one hand hand dr chuang, dr hsieh and dr tsai who are based in taiwan and dr park in korea. i have no doubt about dr park's skills which are probably better than those in taiwan, and he is definitely very caring and knows what he is doing. however, taiwan is cheaper and proximate to home. =/ so greatly pulled by both ends. however i will see what is the financial status at end of this year to pinpoint and determine the appropriate choice..


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