durain wrote:dump the darn human rights rubbish. people are just abusing it.

Yes they are, but the poeple don't really have a choice, in fact the UK people have never had a vote, to my knowledge. 12 year old involved in this murder! and I can tell you I'm not afraid to take anyones life in self defence, when it comes to a pack of animals, that do it for kicks, then they deserve a wake up call. I left UK only because, I don't wish to be locked up, I don't see any harm at all, in self defence.
But the UK Courts are mostly on the criminals side and always have been, you are not allowed to defend your own
property. and I have photographic evidence of what I have had to put up with over 15 years, in the end I dumped the property I was born in for 7k, because the area was known as little chicago, with graffiti welcoming you at your own risk, I have also been bitten through the kneck, when attacked while walking home in the early hours, by a group, but he picked on the wrong one, because i ripped his nostrils on both sides and dumped him in the river...the other ran, with their tails between their legs, I went home to my mothers, and you can imagine the shock an 80 year old gets, when her son walks in bleading from the kneck. I deliberatly armed myself, to go and look for them, but couldn't find them, in the end I had to be stiched up and put on anti biotics because the human bit is worse, than any dog bite.
On the news the next day, it appears the group had attacked 7 people, biting fingers off and just beating them up for fun. although in my area word gets around quickly.
I new the father of the ring leader, his father was a pro boxer, the son was a head banger and couldn't make the grade in the ring, he eventually stabbed is father in the kneck and tried to cut his throat, he got 3 years...anyway, he's picking up daisy's in heaven or hell now! Some people are very fortunate not to ever see, these things in their whole life, others live a life in hell everyday, where survival rules from one day to another...Pure fear is what rules, the day, if you can produce more fear than the psycho on the street, then you will be okay!
But is that really anyway to have to live?... if it was in Ireland, they would just take them down a back alley and shoot their kneecaps off, or break a few bones..of course I was using a figure of speach, the last thing I would want to do is take anyones life, and I'm afraid under those kind of circumstance, I would be fighting for my life, and I have been trained to fight and survive, for me it would be instinct, and my instincts have also got me in trouble, when i have dived in to help others too, from getting a beating....
When i was a doorman, i used to get the hassle almost every weekend, although I could almost get out of trouble with diplomacy, when you are jumped on, you have a split seconds to react, to turn the situation around, otherwise you lose.
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