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Postby EADG » Mon, 26 May 2008 8:23 pm

well Andy, this is exactly that place to do it!

if not here then where?

I'm sure you're not alone in your findings, and there's nothing wrong with constructive observations

andy21 wrote:It's the way Singaporeans have been socially engineered over the years. I have some very personal views on why SIngaporeans behave the way they do, but these views are extremely politically sensitive and I'm not sure airing them here is permitted or safe
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Postby hk203 » Wed, 28 May 2008 10:37 am

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you should carry a baby in your arm, rucksack over your shoulder and try to get a seat on a packed bus. 8 out of 10 is an ang moh who would offer me a seat, either male or female. local will just look away and try not to have eye contact with me.


Yeah, tell me about it man...my wife was 7 months pregnant and while we went into MRT, nobody give a damn to offer seat. Me and my wife stood in front of 4 youngsters..at the end, an old auntie gave seat...What happen to our youngsters nowadays??

Actually, I did record the event..thinking of posting it stomp or somewhere else in the net to name and shame them. But at the end, decided not to.

Have seen lots of people who not just avoid eye contact but pretend to sleep... bloody damn pissed with those kind of people.

I notice that people who gives seat are mostly foreign workers (Indian), age uncle and auntie, and Malays. Not all ang mohs give seat...maybe they have fed up and part of them has become Singaporean!! I used to live in London for 4 years...I like the courtesy and graciousness there (they need to control the knife culture though, seems like it's getting worse), way different from Singapore.
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Postby Plavt » Wed, 28 May 2008 3:25 pm

hk203 wrote: I used to live in London for 4 years...I like the courtesy and graciousness there


:???:

Either you lived in a different London to me or it must have been a very long time ago. I have been here some 27 years and quite honestly I find the rudeness much worse than Singapore and many other British cities and towns which it doubtless is.

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Postby hk203 » Wed, 28 May 2008 4:25 pm

Plavt wrote:
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I used to live in London for 4 years...I like the courtesy and graciousness there


Confused

Either you lived in a different London to me or it must have been a very long time ago. I have been here some 27 years and quite honestly I find the rudeness much worse than Singapore and many other British cities and towns which it doubtless is.



Well, am not so sure whether we are talking about the same place though. I came back here in 2005, after witnessing the bombing at Kings Cross station...was having a meal opposite the station (chinese restaurant). Must admit that the youngster there has gone out of control but even how nasty there are...they still has a basic courtesy by offering seat to old folks and pregnant ladies, unlike here. Have seen alot of thugs there does it. "Thank you" and "Sorry" is not a sacred word as well there, unlike here. But if you compare the safety...it's safer here no doubt about that but courtesy and graciousness? NO....Singapore has a very long way to go mate.

Remember one day, was on my way back home from pub...sitting alone at bus stop at cricklewood. Suddenly a bunch of youngsters approach me. I thought...bloody hell...this isn't gonna be my day...but to my surprise. One of the guy actually asked 20 pence with a very polite manner. I gave it to him and they gone after thank me. I'd never have a problem there...even at a place like Brixton...the youngster there will not do anything to you unless provoked. They won't just stab someone without any reason...

You have been staying there for 27 years...but how long did you stay in Singapore? You make London sounds like a horrible place mate. But i guess i've been lucky to only meet nice people there.... Smile
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Postby durain » Wed, 28 May 2008 5:13 pm

there's no more londoner in london. they are all made up of foreigners, illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

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Postby Plavt » Wed, 28 May 2008 5:50 pm

hk203 wrote:
Remember one day, was on my way back home from pub...sitting alone at bus stop at cricklewood. Suddenly a bunch of youngsters approach me. I thought...bloody hell...this isn't gonna be my day...but to my surprise. One of the guy actually asked 20 pence with a very polite manner. I gave it to him and they gone after thank me. I'd never have a problem there...even at a place like Brixton...the youngster there will not do anything to you unless provoked. They won't just stab someone without any reason...


These are your own experiences, purely subjective. Those experiences you quote could have turned out quite differently and often do for others.


You have been staying there for 27 years...but how long did you stay in Singapore? You make London sounds like a horrible place mate.


London is a horrible place, seems you must have lead a sheltered life or a very privileged one. :o

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Postby Plavt » Wed, 28 May 2008 5:54 pm

durain wrote:there's no more londoner in london. they are all made up of foreigners, illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.




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Postby durain » Wed, 28 May 2008 6:40 pm

english and londoner?

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Postby Superglide » Wed, 28 May 2008 8:16 pm

Plavt wrote:
hk203 wrote:
Remember one day, was on my way back home from pub...sitting alone at bus stop at cricklewood. Suddenly a bunch of youngsters approach me. I thought...bloody hell...this isn't gonna be my day...but to my surprise. One of the guy actually asked 20 pence with a very polite manner. I gave it to him and they gone after thank me. I'd never have a problem there...even at a place like Brixton...the youngster there will not do anything to you unless provoked. They won't just stab someone without any reason...


These are your own experiences, purely subjective. Those experiences you quote could have turned out quite differently and often do for others.


You have been staying there for 27 years...but how long did you stay in Singapore? You make London sounds like a horrible place mate.


London is a horrible place, seems you must have lead a sheltered life or a very privileged one. :o


Well plavt,

HK203's experiences are just as subjective as yours, aren't they?

You say you talk facts, in that case the question is: What are the statistiscs of London, how many crimes per capita?

That would be facts, yours is as good or bad a guess as HK203's or anyone elses subjective gut feeling.

From reading I can say your attitude towards UK in general and London in specific is very negative (I remember adispute about your negativity on it with Saint a year or so ago).

Maybe you should step out the door with a more positive attitude? I bet the reality would be different.

And about being priviliged: Life is in your own hands, being slightly more positive here also helps. You can make the change, don't wait for governments to do it for you.
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Postby Plavt » Wed, 28 May 2008 9:46 pm

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From reading I can say your attitude towards UK in general and London in specific is very negative (I remember adispute about your negativity on it with Saint a year or so ago).


Just the kind of statement I would expect from somebody who has never lived here. From what I remember neither Saint nor I mentioned London in that disagreement. Should you care to read some of his post here and elsewhere he too dislikes London. Not to mention your own negativity about Singapore - rather a case of 'kettle calling pot black!'

Maybe you should step out the door with a more positive attitude? I bet the reality would be different.


This is nothing more than a blanket statement coming from somebody either ill or uninformed. There are various circumstances which I simply cannot change but then you and others like you refuse to acknowledge that!

And about being priviliged: Life is in your own hands, being slightly more positive here also helps.


Another bland statement and a mere cop-out which ignores reality.

By the way I did not say 'I talk facts', that is another of your own interpretations. What I said was the number of teenagers killed were recorded facts , recorded by the police that is. :roll:

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Postby Superglide » Wed, 28 May 2008 11:46 pm

Plavt,

never mind, it were just a few suggestions, no more.

Hey, it's your problem, not mine.

For the record, I am in London every fortnight or so, due to work. Living there, no, knowing the place: quite so. BUT, that's not the point. The point is, your feelings about London are just as subjective as HK2023's views (and he lived there for 4 years).

My comment about statistics was meant to say that only those, statistics, would show how criminal the city really is. You twist my words, I am afraid.

Probably I visit the better areas, lucky me, right?

And for the dispute, read again: About UK in general was also part of the sentence.

(Btw, I also remember your disputes with Oriental, when he was telling you to take your life in your own hands and not rely on socialist governments. You started calling him names as well, weren't you?).

Again, never mind, your life as said. :-|
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Postby Plavt » Thu, 29 May 2008 12:12 am

Superglide wrote:Plavt,

never mind, it were just a few suggestions, no more.

Hey, it's your problem, not mine.

For the record, I am in London every fortnight or so, due to work. Living there, no, knowing the place: quite so. BUT, that's not the point. The point is, your feelings about London are just as subjective as HK2023's views (and he lived there for 4 years).


Do you really think I doubt know anybody else and don't know what their views are? Perhaps you should try living in a council flat on the Broadwater Farm, Peckham Rye or South Acton to name a few. I wonder what you would tell me after six months, if of in respect of the first one you survive that long?

. You twist my words, I am afraid.


I did not I merely pointed out what you clearly didn't understand.

Probably I visit the better areas, lucky me, right?


I wonder since I don't know what areas you are visiting but in your sphere of work assuming it is what is was that would be no big surprise.

(Btw, I also remember your disputes with Oriental, when he was telling you to take your life in your own hands and not rely on socialist governments. You started calling him names as well, weren't you?).


Oriental made a remark which I took exception to and remarked that if he wished to be 'pig-headed' that was up to him. He subsequently apologized by PM to which I replied cordially. Must you keep involving others in this dialogue? For the record there are some positive things about England but then you have never even considered asking me.

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Postby Superglide » Thu, 29 May 2008 12:37 am

Well, so I ask: What do you like about UK?
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Postby Plavt » Thu, 29 May 2008 1:05 am

Superglide wrote:Well, so I ask: What do you like about UK?


I don't know your tastes but you might enjoy the same; there are still many unspoiled rural areas where it is possible to go for country walks without seeing anybody else or few when you do. With many you could walk for miles stopping for a pie and a pint in remote or not so remote country pub.
My home district in the county of Wiltshire which lies along the southern edge of The Cotswolds is one such place. Neighbouring Gloustershire is much the same as is Hampshire and very quiet places to live for those lucky enough to find or afford accommodation. In these areas one can often find small groups enjoying some various interests or hobbies. In addition if you have lived in one of these areas all your life it can be easier to find jobs either through friends or people you went to school with and know you. Plus the fact you are more likely to encounter them on the street than in a city the size of London. In this area you can buy vegetables straight from farms cheaper than the supermarket and meat may be cheaper too being nearer to the abbatoirs.

London does of course have its advantages, not least because of the variety of pubs, clubs, restaurants, educational courses including foreign languages which are nearly impossible to learn anywhere else. You would hardly likely to find anywhere that teaches Japanese in Wiltshire for example.



The problem in London lies with badly administered local authorities, high prices and loss of work. On the other hand for those who have the know it is possible to set up self-empoyment of some sort. I am a bit vague here as I know there are those who are working from home but it is not clear what exactly they are doing and often a well kept secret.

We are still lucky that we have our beloved Health Service (NHS), in bad need of an overall but then we don't have to pay private insurance. Something I consider when thinking of moving abroad.

The nearness to the rest of Europe and Scandinavia is also an advantage and it is possible to get some very cheap flights. Have a look a Ryanair and EasyJet (you might have already in your line of work). Travelling time to Scotland and the north of England is less than half of what it was when I was a teenager and again there is some beautiful scenery. Ireland is also worth visiting.

Just a few things on the 'other side of the fence' so to speak and certainly not all.

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Postby QRM » Thu, 29 May 2008 5:36 pm

London

The impression of a more gentlemanly manner in London, such as opening doors etc, could be due to the fact that unlike here, if you left a door to swing in their face, or barged in on a train, or do some daft maneuvers on the road, people are more likely to call you a tosser in your face.

Crime its getting a bit out of hand there, everyone I know who has a car in London has at one point in time had it broken into, mines been vandalized four times. I don’t even bother reporting it to the police. They have to massage the books so it doesn’t look like a crime, they asked if I saw the actual act of vandalism, No, they suggest it could have been a stone thrown up by a passing car!!. So it cannot be recorded as a crime. This occurs not in some war torn suburb but what many would term as a good neighbourhood.
I have seen a bunch of council kids thinks it funny to walk over all the cars instead of pavements. A friends car had boot print dent in the boot, roof, and bonnet after this stunt.


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