Dual Citizenship

caramel79 · Post by **caramel79** » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 2:38 am

Hi guys thnx for the rather quick response! Just to clarify I leave aus with kiwi pp but enter and leave sg with sg pp. then when I get to oz I will have to show both?? So they won't tell me sg does not allow dual? Also when dealing with the travel agents do I put details of my sg pp or kiwi pp??

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 3:36 am

What's the problem with just traveling on your NZ passport?

p.s. Have you considered applying for Canadian PR too, I have heard it is very good... you know, gives lots of benefits.

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 5:58 am

caramel79 wrote:Hi guys thnx for the rather quick response! Just to clarify I leave aus with kiwi pp but enter and leave sg with sg pp. then when I get to oz I will have to show both??

Yes , it has happened to me before
So they won't tell me sg does not allow dual?

Nope, OZ border control then knows you have free entry vise to OZ and you are also in possess of SG PP. No correlation with dual citizenship law in SG

Also when dealing with the travel agents do I put details of my sg pp or kiwi pp??

Kiwi

caramel79 · Post by **caramel79** » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 2:47 pm

@JR8 if i used my nz passport in SG they will find out im a sg citizen and make me give up either one as reading previously reading other ppl's posts previously it seems thats the case??? or maybe im wrong.. how do you get canadian PR LOL?? im not even in canada unless i go under skilled migrant

@madscientist if i gave my kiwi pp details to the agents when i get to sg wont they suspect something??
so did you do the same thing?? were u a kiwi pp holder living in aus with a sg passport too??

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 2:53 pm

caramel79 wrote: @madscientist if i gave my kiwi pp details to the agents when i get to sg wont they suspect something??

You can either use Kiwi or SG PP for the travel agent. No diff.

so did you do the same thing?? were u a kiwi pp holder living in aus with a sg passport too??

I had three PP !! Indon. OZ and SG

QRM · Post by **QRM** » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 5:09 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
I had three PP !! Indon. OZ and SG

MS is related to Jason Bourne

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Thu, 01 Mar 2012 5:36 pm

That, or SE who also has three!

Koalabear · Post by **Koalabear** » Sat, 03 Mar 2012 1:46 pm

JR8 wrote:What's the problem with just traveling on your NZ passport?

p.s. Have you considered applying for Canadian PR too, I have heard it is very good... you know, gives lots of benefits.

benefits like? tell me now and tomorrow I will demand my MP to give me those.

taxico · Post by **taxico** » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:12 pm

leungp22 wrote:I am fishing for some thoughts/comments/auggestions here on my situation. Most importantly, I do not want to be breaking the laws of any country;
it's unthinkable to be living in constant fear of being caught especially if the reason for getting on the wrong side of the law is one's honest reluctance to sever ties with one's birth country.

That said, here are some of my details -

- I have fulfilled my SG full time NS obligations
- I obtained a foreign citizenship
- My current SG passport is still valid
- I still hold a valid NS Exit Permit

The SG law, constitution and passport/EP renewal procedures encompass, in more words than these, these situations -

(A) SG citizenship may be revoked if one were to obtain a foreign citizenship
(B) While renewing the SG passport, one needs to declare not having had acquired a foreign citizenship
(C) Annual NS Exit Permit renewal is for Overseas PR (as opposed to overseas citizenship)...

...Even though the quoted OP has shared several anecdotes about not being caught when lying on the SG passport renewal form, I do not wish to take that route.
I don't want to lie in order to remain a Singaporean.

before you read my replies to your remarks... let it be known that i do what i do, knowing very well what are the possible consequences, i do not condone nor disapprove of such actions - they are a personal choice.

if your thoughts are as laid out above, you should make up your mind on which passport you want to keep, and do it ASAP.

i don't think you'll be unfairly penalized in future if you give up your singaporean citizenship as you have completed your NS obligations.

further, i don't think your interpretation of the law and procedures are correct.

leungp22 wrote:...Do these imply that -

(1) It is not illegal to have dual citizenship as a SG citizen

(2) I may travel to SG on my current valid SG passport, without let or hindrance, as I have not committed any offence against the Citizenship Act

(3) I ought not to renew my SG passport once it expires as it would be illegal based on (B) above; (not holding a valid SG passport does not imply being a non-Singaporean)

(4) After my SG passport expires, it would not be illegal to travel to SG with my foreign passport

(5) Would it be preferred to enter and leave SG with my foreign passport even now when my SG passport is still valid

(6) It would be necessary to withhold the truth (thus being illegal) on the NS Exit Permit renewal since technically one is overseas as a citizen and not as a PR

(7) Would it be possible to renew an Exit Permit with an expired and non-renewed SG passport

(8) Would it be advisable to renew the SG passport whilst declaring truthfully that one has obtained foreign citizenship

#1 it is illegal for a singapore to have dual citizenship once they've reached a certain age - at that time they have to choose one.

#2 the first part sounds OKAY but the second part is, in all reality, untrue.

#3 & #4 & #5 you need to have a singaporean passport to travel out/in of singapore. refer to #1 also, re: alternative passport.

#6 yes.

#7 i've never done this, but i would think somewhere, someone would find out. i'm leaning towards NO for this one.

#8 i've never done this, but i assume somewhere, someone would want to talk to you. i'm leaning towards DON'T DO IT for this one.

good luck with your choice!

R91 · Post by **R91** » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:09 am

Just wondering, how much jail time and/or fine would someone get if they hypothetically held 2 citizenships over the legal age and lied about it?

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:47 pm

Don't know. But the penalties for perjury should be easy enough to find out.

OkLah · Post by **OkLah** » Fri, 25 May 2012 8:43 am

I have just come into contact with someone who did exactly this. She submitted the passport renewal application in Singapore whilst declaring on the form that she is also an Australian citizen. The outcome is that ICA told her that her Singapore passport will not be renewed until she renounces her Australian citizenship. So there you go.

leungp22 wrote:

(8) Would it be advisable to renew the SG passport whilst declaring truthfully that one has obtained foreign citizenship

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Sat, 26 May 2012 3:30 pm

OkLah wrote:I have just come into contact with someone who did exactly this. She submitted the passport renewal application in Singapore whilst declaring on the form that she is also an Australian citizen. The outcome is that ICA told her that her Singapore passport will not be renewed until she renounces her Australian citizenship. So there you go.

leungp22 wrote:

(8) Would it be advisable to renew the SG passport whilst declaring truthfully that one has obtained foreign citizenship

This question is basically dumb from the onset

1. The Singapore Constitution does NOT ALLOW DUAL citizenship. Period
The only allowance is for child of parent of SG descent born overseas. Even that is only allowed till the age of 21 where the child has to choose either one of the citizenship.

2. Whilst filling in the renewal application , be it lying albeit perjuring or telling the truth. will flag ICA one way or another.
You lied, you will be committing an offence which carries fine and a jail sentences. You tell the truth , you will not get your PP renewed
You enter SG with foreign PP, you will be flag down. I had two posters via PM facing these very problem. ICA came to know about it and they are in deep sh*t.
The worse part is I advised them before on how ICA works and they still fumbled.
What could be worse ? Knowing full well the consequences of perjury and still playing Russian Roulette

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Sat, 26 May 2012 8:07 pm

I'm really curious this reasons why they don't change and allow dual citizenship. I understand the rationale historically. But now Singapore needs to attract "desirable" new citizens. Most of the ideal candidates they could attract have no desire to give up their current citizenship. But I'm sure they'd gladly go dual.

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Sun, 27 May 2012 6:40 am

It is in the SG Constitution which mean it was set in stone. You cannot change the constitution period
You can change the laws, by-laws , guidelines whatever hence this is the crux of the issue.

The plan is to bring in 30K aryanis into this country every year and hopefully they will intergrate

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