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Australia citizenship for 4 years old Singaporean Male Child

Post by tanmike4 » Sun, 18 May 2008 11:30 am

Hi, me, my wife and my 4 yrs old son are singapore citizens. We are thinking of migrating to Australia and getting Australian passports later. I am a senior IT professional and I should get Australia PR immediately. I want to know whether my son will be able to get Australia passport. Will Australia insist on renouncing singapore citizenship first for my son (since he can't before he turns 21) ? Any known cases or advise, pls post here or email me to tanmike4@gmail.com. thanks.

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Post by taxico » Sun, 18 May 2008 8:50 pm

i'm no expert, but i don't think the australian government cares if you hold other citizenships - i've known many aussies with 2 passports.

but i doubt anyone can fairly claim your son can get australian citizenship without you becoming (at least?) an australian citizen first.

if you intend to do that, and make your kid give up his singapore citizenship, then you better make haste and get him his australian passport ASAP.

poke around the STRICTLY SPEAKING discussion - it might give you a clearer insight on what you're up against... (okay, the "formidable opponent that is the Singapore Government!")

good luck with your new job and life!

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Post by tanmike4 » Sun, 18 May 2008 11:37 pm

taxico wrote:i'm no expert, but i don't think the australian government cares if you hold other citizenships - i've known many aussies with 2 passports.

but i doubt anyone can fairly claim your son can get australian citizenship without you becoming (at least?) an australian citizen first.

if you intend to do that, and make your kid give up his singapore citizenship, then you better make haste and get him his australian passport ASAP.

poke around the STRICTLY SPEAKING discussion - it might give you a clearer insight on what you're up against... (okay, the "formidable opponent that is the Singapore Government!")

good luck with your new job and life!
thanks for your reply. Me, my wife and my son, we all intend to take Australian citizenship together. Have you known any case which is similar to mine and where the singaporean male child was able to get australian citizenship together with his parents ?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 19 May 2008 12:05 am

Getting the Australian Citizenship is not the problem. If you and your wife are able to get it the child will as well. Australia is a sovereign nation and is not beholden to any other country. Especially Singapore. They could care less what the Singapore Government does. Lots of Dual Citizenship people in Aus. You problem is getting you son through the hoops by timely notifying the Sing Gov't and Mindef of your Intentions to renounce (if the child leaves before the age of 11 and his Sinapore passport is not extended past the age of 11 and he doesn't have an IC then you don't have a problem. However, if you just take him out of the country, Aus Passport or not, if after the age of 18 he steps foot in Singapore and is caught he will be treated as a deserter for not having done his NS.

Your choice. But think about HIS future and not your beliefs.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by tanmike4 » Mon, 19 May 2008 12:29 pm

thanks a lot. It is very assuring.

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Dual Citizenship

Post by rojaksing » Mon, 19 May 2008 7:34 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Getting the Australian Citizenship is not the problem. If you and your wife are able to get it the child will as well. Australia is a sovereign nation and is not beholden to any other country. Especially Singapore. They could care less what the Singapore Government does. Lots of Dual Citizenship people in Aus. You problem is getting you son through the hoops by timely notifying the Sing Gov't and Mindef of your Intentions to renounce (if the child leaves before the age of 11 and his Sinapore passport is not extended past the age of 11 and he doesn't have an IC then you don't have a problem. However, if you just take him out of the country, Aus Passport or not, if after the age of 18 he steps foot in Singapore and is caught he will be treated as a deserter for not having done his NS.

Your choice. But think about HIS future and not your beliefs.


A question along this line - understand that there are a good number of singaporeans holding 2 or more passports. Wonder what the implications are...... for those who have yet to fulfill their NS obligations and for those who have done their due. Anyone with experience? For the pragmatic Singaporean, holding multiple passports are for practical, economic reasons out of convenience; home is still where the heart is.... family, friends and food.

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Post by taxico » Tue, 20 May 2008 2:34 pm

rojaksing wrote:Wonder what the implications are...... for those who have yet to fulfill their NS obligations and for those who have done their due. Anyone with experience? For the pragmatic Singaporean, holding multiple passports are for practical, economic reasons out of convenience; home is still where the heart is.... family, friends and food.
why not poke around the STRICTLY SPEAKING sub forum? (under general discussions) - many views there.

i've done NS, i hold 2 passports, but i doubt i'll keep doing it. i might probably only keep my singapore passport if i wanted to work long-term in singapore.

once i start earning some serious money, double taxation by the american government's gonna hurt my pocket if i kept holding onto their passport. i might have to make that decision in a few years' time.

as for post-NS with 2 citizenships... it's tedious having to juggle the exit permits all the time as i travel regularly (and i'm based outside of singapore).

otherwise, i've not been arrested or questioned about it yet, although it did come up during the initial periods of OCS.

i enjoy coming "home" to singapore. it's an awesome little country. so i guess if anybody wants to maintain their duality, it just takes a little effort.

head on over to strictly speaking to check out what others have to say about trying to keep their kids legit.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 20 May 2008 4:45 pm

Thanks Taxico. :wink:
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Re: Dual Citizenship

Post by rojaksing » Sat, 24 May 2008 3:41 pm

taxico wrote:
rojaksing wrote:Wonder what the implications are...... for those who have yet to fulfill their NS obligations and for those who have done their due. Anyone with experience? For the pragmatic Singaporean, holding multiple passports are for practical, economic reasons out of convenience; home is still where the heart is.... family, friends and food.
why not poke around the STRICTLY SPEAKING sub forum? (under general discussions) - many views there.

i've done NS, i hold 2 passports, but i doubt i'll keep doing it. i might probably only keep my singapore passport if i wanted to work long-term in singapore.

once i start earning some serious money, double taxation by the american government's gonna hurt my pocket if i kept holding onto their passport. i might have to make that decision in a few years' time.

as for post-NS with 2 citizenships... it's tedious having to juggle the exit permits all the time as i travel regularly (and i'm based outside of singapore).

otherwise, i've not been arrested or questioned about it yet, although it did come up during the initial periods of OCS.

i enjoy coming "home" to singapore. it's an awesome little country. so i guess if anybody wants to maintain their duality, it just takes a little effort.

head on over to strictly speaking to check out what others have to say about trying to keep their kids legit.


thanks!

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Post by hajamie » Mon, 11 Aug 2008 9:28 am

The whole NS stuff seems crazy! Meh, what do I know?
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