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Vaccination Exemptions?

Post by foop » Fri, 09 May 2008 10:52 am

Hi there,

my son is now 4 months old and we have decided against him receiving vaccinations. Are there parents out there who are also like us? or does anyone know if there are vaccination exemption forms to fill in Singapore?

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Post by aussiemeg » Fri, 09 May 2008 11:24 am

Hi there

My boys are now 2 and a half years old and we tried to go down the no vaccination route too. We discussed this long and hard with our loacl doctor who was reasonably supportive but found out that no vaccinations meant no entry to pre school and no entry to International Schools in singapore.

What we did was find out what were absolutely essential and studied the rationale for each serum. We also chose to do singular vaccination rather than 3/4/5/6 in one options. This is very expensive and time consuming to find the right clinic and order the serum but possible. The vaccinations our two have not received is Mumps and rubella because these are not available as single vaccines in singapore and I do not really see them as an issue.

Another thought that was quite provoking was the point that even though many of the diseases no longer exist in singapore and the Uk and Australia and the US and Western Europe etc if in later life our children chose to travel to africa or south america or indonesia (which is highly likely before they are older) they could well be exposed to a life threatening illness.

My only comment is that there is no easy way for non vac in singapore and as in most western countries it will involve a lot of explaining at all stages

HOpe this helps a little

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 09 May 2008 3:04 pm

foop,

May I ask why you don't want to protect your children? Especially in a area where there are countries in close proximity that still have a lot of the diseases that have not been fully eradicated as of yet. Puzzling to say the least.
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Post by foop » Fri, 09 May 2008 5:24 pm

Hi sundaymorningstaple,

In our opinion, we do not believe that vaccination is the only way to go simply because the sole purpose of vaccination is to expose the baby to the foreign material which (hopefully) trigger the body to produce antibodies to fight against that virus from the vaccine.

Its probably like a saying, what don't kill you make you stronger?? but what if the body doesn't produce enough antigen to fight this?

Few reasons why we choose to delay the vaccination (if vaccination is fully compulsory by the sin govt)
1. The dosage for the vaccine (at least for Hep B) is the same from little baby to someone who is 19 years old, which make us wonder.
2. The ingredient, that is commonly found in the vaccine as part of the preservative, is FORMALDEHYDE, which is a known carcinogen.

Have a search under google for "vaccination hidden truth"

Or follow this link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4&q=&hl=en) and have a listen to "the other side" of the story and you can decide for yourself whether you prefer this group of people who spend their lives digging beyond what is given to us at school or media.

At the end of the day, it is our personal choice not to have (or at least delay) the vaccination.

Through out the history, we have learn that "Bad Batch" or "High Risk" medication being recalled and taken off the shelf... so how do we know if the vaccine is a "good" or a "bad batch"?

We believe we are protecting our little one as much as other parents. We just need to more diligent about what is going on with the baby and surrounding.

Life is about choices isn't it?

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Post by foop » Fri, 09 May 2008 5:29 pm

aussiemeg wrote:Hi there

My boys are now 2 and a half years old and we tried to go down the no vaccination route too. We discussed this long and hard with our loacl doctor who was reasonably supportive but found out that no vaccinations meant no entry to pre school and no entry to International Schools in singapore.

What we did was find out what were absolutely essential and studied the rationale for each serum. We also chose to do singular vaccination rather than 3/4/5/6 in one options. This is very expensive and time consuming to find the right clinic and order the serum but possible. The vaccinations our two have not received is Mumps and rubella because these are not available as single vaccines in singapore and I do not really see them as an issue.

Another thought that was quite provoking was the point that even though many of the diseases no longer exist in singapore and the Uk and Australia and the US and Western Europe etc if in later life our children chose to travel to africa or south america or indonesia (which is highly likely before they are older) they could well be exposed to a life threatening illness.

My only comment is that there is no easy way for non vac in singapore and as in most western countries it will involve a lot of explaining at all stages

HOpe this helps a little
Hi, thanks for your info, would it too much to ask if you could let us know which clinic/ doctor who are supportive to provide individual vaccine?

Because from our understanding Diptheria and Measles are the only 2 compulsory jabs in Singapore base on Singapore Law. However, we have not explored the implication of not having other vaccination for school admission.

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Post by road.not.taken » Fri, 09 May 2008 5:49 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:foop,

May I ask why you don't want to protect your children? Especially in a area where there are countries in close proximity that still have a lot of the diseases that have not been fully eradicated as of yet. Puzzling to say the least.
I'm more curious to know how foop became immortal with 16 million posts in one month's time :o

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Post by foop » Fri, 09 May 2008 6:03 pm

road.not.taken wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:foop,

May I ask why you don't want to protect your children? Especially in a area where there are countries in close proximity that still have a lot of the diseases that have not been fully eradicated as of yet. Puzzling to say the least.
I'm more curious to know how foop became immortal with 16 million posts in one month's time :o
I have no idea too......the only other thing i did in this forum was to advertise moving out sale...

perhaps its a script error????

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 09 May 2008 8:03 pm

While I didn't alert Admin about foop I did for another as it's been happening occasionally now with new registrations. We had this problem about a year or so ago and I believe it was a scripting corruption. Will wait to see what transpires as I only notified him yesterday......
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 09 May 2008 8:29 pm

foop,

The real reason I ask is that I worry about the children who are not given the protection that they definitely need in this part of the world. I know there are risks with vaccinations but if you have been reading the news here in recent weeks you will know that this is not a very clean society. That is why it's so important to take all possible precautions. Look and the current HFM epidemic here for a good example of the normal cleanliness standards here.

I'm not getting on your case, it's just Singapore and it's surrounds is not Aus, or the US so I just worry that your little ones would pick up something and bring it back here and infect hundreds needlessly or worse still get infected needlessly by a local who has picked up something on a holiday and brought it back before the vaccines have done a complete job thereby infecting your child.

There is TB still here in Singapore to be sure.

Therefore I am just naturally curious why someone would deliberately subject their flesh & blood to that risk while they are in a foreign country. Having said that, I respect your right to make those decisions but also pray for the safety of your child.
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Post by Saint » Fri, 09 May 2008 9:55 pm

road.not.taken wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:foop,

May I ask why you don't want to protect your children? Especially in a area where there are countries in close proximity that still have a lot of the diseases that have not been fully eradicated as of yet. Puzzling to say the least.
I'm more curious to know how foop became immortal with 16 million posts in one month's time :o
We're getting invaded by these Immortals! 8-)

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 09 May 2008 9:59 pm

Yeah, but one of them I'm related to but that's her nick. :P

I suppose is better than being re-invaded by the "Grim Reaper" alias someone we both know. :P
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Post by Saint » Fri, 09 May 2008 10:13 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Yeah, but one of them I'm related to but that's her nick. :P

I suppose is better than being re-invaded by the "Grim Reaper" alias someone we both know. :P
Maybe that what happens when you don't have your vacinations :shock:

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Post by maneo » Sat, 10 May 2008 12:23 am

foop wrote:Life is about choices isn't it?
Life is also full of probabilities.
Such choices should be made comparing not only the worst case effect but also the competing probabilities.
The concerns expressed above are basically saying, take care not to underestimate the probability of infection.

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Post by foop » Sat, 10 May 2008 2:32 pm

Thank you for all your concerns.

We are reviewing our options all the time and guess we have to be more careful for the time being.

By the way, I'm still as puzzled as you guys are about my 16 mil posts.....

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 10 May 2008 5:36 pm

I've just sent a message to the Admin to try to sort it out. But it must feel good, especially in view of this particular thread, to be "immortal". :wink:

Ok foop. Admin let me know that it's all been sorted (you now have 7 posts).
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