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Bisphenol-A tainted baby bottle panic

Post by QRM » Wed, 23 Apr 2008 6:35 pm

I am surprised how few people are aware of the current debate on Bisphenol-A poisoning in baby bottles.

Recently the big retailer in the US have been phasing out all bottles that are not BPA free e.g AVENT etc.

While I know in the US they are paranoid about being sued, but it’s a big escalation to stop selling them.

I did a bit of research and AVENT is one of the worst when it comes to chemical leaching in to the milk when heated.

We always leave a bottle full of water in the water heater overnight, so its ready when the call comes.

Today I went out to buy “safe bottles”
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Post by durain » Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:36 pm

news to me, but thanks for the info. will look into it...

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:18 pm

Old News. And a bunch of scaremongering.

Looking for Stainless Steel water bottles
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Post by QRM » Thu, 24 Apr 2008 3:43 pm

I agree with SMS when the story came out last year, I just put it down to mass hysteria from bored housewives. When Wal-Mart and ToysRus, who never shy away from making a quick buck, takes the baby bottles off the shelf, it makes me wonder.

The local press today is saying the bottles are safe so long as you don’t use boiling water. If you read between the lines there is a bit of a problem, you sterilize bottles in microwaves, steamers and boiling water.

Bit like saying dynamite if perfectly safe in the house so long as you don’t light the fuse.

Anyway like SMS says there are plenty of other things to worry about, like what my local hawker sticks in his Laksa to make it glow in the dark and taste so good.

Bottom line I don’t think it is worth a mass panic rush to the shop, but if you are in the market for a new set of bottles it does no harm to get BPA free bottles.

So far I have found, Medla, but they only do 5oz sizes, and B-safe plus which has a real pain in the butt cap, consisting of 6 separate parts.

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Post by concernedmom » Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:55 pm

I do not agree.

This is not a whim of some paranoid housewife. Even if you do not wish to take drastic measures, some small change of habits with regards to plastic usage in the family can already mitigate some risks.

I use stainless steel sippy bottles bought here in Singapore.

See some of the recent reports:
1) Government of Canada Takes Action on Another Chemical of Concern: Bisphenol AOn April 18, 2008, the Honourable Tony Clement, Minister of Health, and the Honourable John Baird, Minister of the Environment, announced that the Government is taking action to protect the health of Canadians and the environment from another chemical of concern.
Canada is the first country in the world to complete a risk assessment of bisphenol A in consultation with industry and other stakeholders, and to initiate a 60 day public comment period on whether to ban the importation, sale and advertising of polycarbonate baby bottles which contain bisphenol A.
Check out the Government of Canada Chemicals Management website: http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques. ... l-a_e.html.

2) April 18, according to Foxnews.com:
ROCHESTER, New York �amp;nbsp; The maker of Nalgene water bottles in the United States has decided to pull some of its hard-plastic bottles from stores over the next few months.

3)April 22nd, CBCNews,
Toys 'R' Us to phase out bisphenol A baby bottles
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/0 ... s-bpa.html

4)April, 22nd, ScienceDaily,
The US National Toxicology Program (NTP) has released a draft report that says there's "some concern" about the potential negative health effects of BPA on infants and children and calls for more research to determine just what the risks of BPA exposure might be.
For further details: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 114734.htm
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Post by in8mom » Mon, 28 Apr 2008 3:17 pm

Naysayers will do what they want and turn a deaf ear. Too many people are choosing to ignore it but the facts are out there. Have you ever noticed how if you take a drink of water that's been in the sun, how it has a... "plastic-y" taste? Ever wonder where those chunks of plastic from your food storage containers go? This isn't just affecting plastics in food storage, bottles, etc.. it's also affecting the toys that many people STILL buy. Your child is happily gumming away at their toy, only to find out a couple months later that they're being recalled for toxic paints! Hmm, chew on that.

I'm pro-breastfeeding but will plan on buying glass or bpa-free bottles when #2 comes along.

I commonly hear the phrase "well, when I was a kid, I used to eat this, play with that, do this...". We are not living in the same world we grew up in! Mother Nature is calling out to us for help and too much of society is ignoring her!

I know, sounds corny huh? No, it's not realistic to think we should live in bubbles and do everything that is "bad" for us. Just think for yourself, do your research and then decide on what battles you want to fight. If you aren't convinced.. well, only time will tell whether taking some precaution would have helped.

Ok, off my soapbox. And we now return you to your regularly scheduled program. ;)

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Post by in8mom » Mon, 28 Apr 2008 3:23 pm

I realize my previous post might sound a little over the top. I just don't think it's something that should be ignored. That's just me and MY opinion. I'm a bit passionate about health and environment issues so.. whatev.

Gerber sells glass bottles and Born-Free is another brand. I like SIGG-- with their WATER-based liner. Another alternative is Kleen Kanteen.

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Post by QRM » Mon, 28 Apr 2008 3:29 pm

in8mom wrote:I realize my previous post might sound a little over the top.

A bit scaremongering, it was just on the wrong side of that line that separates concerned parents, and the fanatic Treehuggers. :lol: But I am with you I just got my new set of bottles and if you don’t care about all this, My Avent stuff will be on ebay over the next week or so.

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Doesn't harm to err on the side of caution

Post by concernedmom » Tue, 29 Apr 2008 5:08 pm

Sure glad more of you guys and gals are taking active measures. Why not? There is nothing to lose. Think of your gain should any of these scares are true.

Only time can tell. Don't be part of the statistic in the future. When the final proof comes, it may be too late for some. Just think of how long the collection of these statistics can take before you can get the industry who is thriving on plastics to admit that there is a problem.

Must people really see the evidences so overwhelmingly before they believe?

For those who are interested, read this article. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... -bpa_N.htm

I have extracted a part that I think is interesting......

FDA reviewing plastic ingredient BPA
Rep. John Dingell and Rep. Bart Stupak, Michigan Democrats and leaders of the energy and commerce committee, have been investigating the FDA's handling of BPA. They called for a new safety check after the toxicology program's report, which expressed "some concern" that low levels of BPA cause changes in behavior and the brain, prostate gland, breast and the age at which girls enter puberty.

Scientists don't have much evidence about how BPA affects people. But environmental organizations such as the Environmental Working Group note that 100 studies have found harmful effects in animals at very low levels. Many researchers are concerned that BPA, which acts like the female hormone estrogen, causes profound effects on animals in low doses, especially during pregnancy and infancy. Researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found BPA in 95% of Americans tested.

Dingell and Stupak say the FDA ignored that research last July when the agency determined that BPA is safe in the amounts to which Americans are now exposed. In a letter to Dingell and Stupak, the FDA says it based its conclusions on two reports funded by the American Plastics Council, an industry group.
"There is a wealth of scientific information available about the safety and health effects of Bisphenol A, yet FDA seems to have relied exclusively on two industry funded studies, one of which has not even been made available to the public for review," Dingell said in a statement. "This raises serious concerns about whether the science FDA relied on to approve the use of bisphenol A was bought and paid for by industry."
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:13 pm

in8mom wrote:I realize my previous post might sound a little over the top. I just don't think it's something that should be ignored. That's just me and MY opinion.
Yep. You've definitely got that right. I will, however, be the first to defend your right to your own opinion. :-|
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Post by durain » Wed, 30 Apr 2008 8:25 am

so shall i get my own glass bottle for my take away tea tarik? :P

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Post by concernedmom » Thu, 01 May 2008 6:44 pm

Yes. Use a glass bottle if you have to. Use a Nescafe jar, the glass is thick. If you need to look cool and don't mind spending some $$, use a Klean Kanteen. They came with a stainless steel cap as well.

Bottomline, either you believe or you think this is all crap. In the latter case, I would like to wish you good luck. In the former case, then, I would do whatever it takes. Afterall the effort is nothing compared with the consequences.

For adults, the risks are smaller. However, if you have growing children..do take some time to read this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 114734.htm

The NTP report focuses primarily on the possible reproductive and developmental effects of BPA (such as changes in fertility, birth weight, and the development of certain brain regions), not on cancer. However it does note that in some animal studies, BPA has shown effects on breast and prostate tissue, as well as on how early puberty occurs. These effects could be linked to cancer, the report says, but the authors caution that there is not enough evidence to know whether BPA causes cancer -- in animals or in people.
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Post by QRM » Wed, 21 May 2008 6:32 pm

Just read the latest press statement from AVENT, interesting they don’t actually answer the question "Does Avent bottles contain BPA" we all know it does.

Looks like they are coming up with a new line of BPA free bottles.

Heres part of it :


Do Philips AVENT baby bottles contain Bisphenol A (BPA)?

Philips AVENT reusable bottles, such as the AirFlex, are made from polycarbonate plastic. Polycarbonate plastic is approved for use and lawful for sale in every country where Philips AVENT products are sold, including in North America and Europe.

Why doesn’t Philips AVENT introduce a bottle made from another material?
We have full confidence in our current bottle, which has been used by millions of healthy babies in over 70 countries worldwide. We always strive to reach new levels of design and engineering excellence to meet the evolving needs of parents and babies. Building on its already diverse portfolio of infant feeding products, Philips AVENT will introduce new materials into its line this summer.

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Post by QRM » Wed, 21 May 2008 8:17 pm

durain wrote:so shall i get my own glass bottle for my take away tea tarik? :P
Durain was taking the piss :lol:

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 May 2008 9:17 pm

The most sensible approach I've heard on this thread so far has been QRM's earlier statement:
"Bottom line I don’t think it is worth a mass panic rush to the shop, but if you are in the market for a new set of bottles it does no harm to get BPA free bottles."
:wink: Our other two posters remind me very much of the scaremongers of the EPA during my early adulthood after returning from the NAM in '68 (along with agent orange - who's effects were very efficiently documented - unfortunately after the fact) with their scaremongering over a certain Pesticide. The funny part is that ALL of the reports & studies were/are peppered with the same phrases that you two have conveniently quoted in your posts like:

"some concern", "don't have much evidence", "not enough evidence to know whether BPA causes cancer -- in animals or in people"

This, in turn, gives me my correlation to the early '70's and this topic. So I give you this in case my age difference puts this period of history too far back for some. It's similarities of arguments are the same that the EPA used 45 years ago to buffalo the public in order to gain power. As a farmer myself, I am well aware of the damage the EPA can do when they get too much power. I've been fighting along with 1000's of other farmers in my area with regard to nitrogen pollution (claimed) regarding fertilizers and the river runoffs.
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