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Postby tooktheredpill » Tue, 27 May 2008 10:49 pm

I'm in the process of changing jobs so have a nervous wait in front of me. Good call on the PEP, will get one of those asap.

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Postby restlessguy » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:40 am

I recently found out that my ex-company filed a police case against me and that they give it to MOM. The funny thing about the case is that it states that I stole some documents or codes from them. I know I'm clean and that I have not stolen anything from them. Even the police officer told me that it's a common thing from employers especially when their guy is moving to an competitor. And the officer told mat if the case is true definitely they would have arrested me. What's worst is that he's skeptical on why MOM never liase with them. On the part of MOM they never even investigated, because propably they know there's nothing against me. But according to MOM unless my ex-company withdrew this case there's nothing they can do. It think it's unjust, why would MOM succumb to hearsay, I thought MOM should uphold justice and truth to this case. Then I remember then my ex-company boss told me that they know someone in MOM, could I be a victim of a partisan malpractice. All I know is Singapore is clean and corruption-free. Could I be wrong?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:52 am

restlessguy wrote:All I know is Singapore is clean and corruption-free. Could I be wrong?


Who told you that piece of claptrap!?!

The famous line that the Ministry of Home Affairs likes to us is "Low Crime doesn't mean No Crime!" There is a lot of truth to that. You have the right to take the company to court to clear your name and claim damages (libel) if you so desire. Unfortunately, when not employed it can be an expensive proposition. So there is no easy answer I'm afraid.

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Postby restlessguy » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:37 am

Yeah filing a libel case can be expensive, but I'm also exploring that option. Aside from that is there anything else that I can do to clear my name?

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Postby Levikane » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:27 pm

Hack MOM's computers? You are in IT...
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Postby restlessguy » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:51 pm

Well I don't want to hack into their system and beside I would end up in jail for that. I was thinking of applying for a PR as a dependent because my wife is also working in Singapore. Would there be any problem if I pursue that?

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Postby Levikane » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 5:12 pm

No you would probably fail the sense of humor on that application as well... It was a joke...

On a serious note - getting DP from your wives EP would be a much better bet.

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Postby bruinbear » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 4:58 pm

restlessguy,

Why don't you go down to MOM to seek and audience with the officer(s) in charge of your case? Have you even tried that?

Alternatively have you written in to MOM to give them your side of your story and ask them to investigate? You don't have to accuse MOM of any wrong-doing or anything but it could very well be that MOM has for some reason put a black mark against your record. At least you should try to find out what that black mark is and try to get it rectified.

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Postby kimtaymour » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:35 am

Levikane good sens of humor heehee..

I agree with bruinbear .. restless guy try to get an apointment with the MOM and give them your version of the story written as well as verbal.. maybe they will think twice.. you never know

How about your embassy or consulate if you try to seek somehelp I think they can interfere and do somehting.. where do you come from by the way?
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 1:13 am

kimtaymour wrote:
How about your embassy or consulate if you try to seek somehelp I think they can interfere and do somehting.. where do you come from by the way?


Not a hope in hell of having that happen. One country will NOT interfere in another countries internal policies. Even the US will not interfere as it is none of their doing. When in Singapore, only the laws of Singapore matter. I think before you parrot other posters you should do some reading yourself.

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Postby Plavt » Mon, 30 Jun 2008 2:02 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:One country will NOT interfere in another countries internal policies.


Spot on! Those poor fools from my own country and others who decide to deal in drugs and other criminal activities would do well to remember that. When you break the law in a country only that country's law applies period.

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Postby kimtaymour » Tue, 01 Jul 2008 1:17 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I think before you parrot other posters you should do some reading yourself.


SMS if you know the reason behind it you wouldn't have said that.. a mtelling that from an expereince that hhapen to a country-mate out here in dubai.. a company terminated him and they wanted to ban him to work in the UAE completely he referend to the embassy and theembassy contact the ministry of labour (MOM - UAE version) and toether they wooped that companies ass....

So that why am telling so.. so if resltless you try that you won't lose except a 5 minutes in the phone.. do you have anything to lose ? have you..
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 01 Jul 2008 8:42 am

Sorry to say, Singapore is not Dubai.

Better wake up and smell the roses. Singapore tries it very best to be their own country beholden to noone. You cannot come here thinking that things are done here like they are in Middle Eastern or S.E.Asian Islamic nations. If you do you are in for a rude awakening. Yes, I know you were in Malaysia. That is exactly what I'm talking about.

Singapore does not operate by Dubai rules........ :-|

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 01 Jul 2008 7:01 pm

kimtaymour wrote: he referend to the embassy and theembassy contact the ministry of labour (MOM - UAE version) and toether they wooped that companies ass....



I doubt if anybody 'whooped anybody's ass' as you put it; more like the ministry of labour took steps to remain on good terms with the officials of the embassy, it's called diplomatic relations. :roll:

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Postby ksl » Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:05 pm

restlessguy wrote:I recently found out that my ex-company filed a police case against me and that they give it to MOM. The funny thing about the case is that it states that I stole some documents or codes from them. I know I'm clean and that I have not stolen anything from them. Even the police officer told me that it's a common thing from employers especially when their guy is moving to an competitor. And the officer told mat if the case is true definitely they would have arrested me. What's worst is that he's skeptical on why MOM never liase with them. On the part of MOM they never even investigated, because probably they know there's nothing against me. But according to MOM unless my ex-company withdrew this case there's nothing they can do. It think it's unjust, why would MOM succumb to hearsay, I thought MOM should uphold justice and truth to this case. Then I remember then my ex-company boss told me that they know someone in MOM, could I be a victim of a partisan malpractice. All I know is Singapore is clean and corruption-free. Could I be wrong?


There is no Country in the world that is free from crime or corruption. Your best bet, I would think is to pay a visit to the free legal advice office in the heartland, where you live, they maybe held once a week, you will have to check it out, they will know what route to take, to sort these matters out. You are innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law, unfortunately sometimes their eyes are closed, and joe bloggs ends up banging his head against the wall.

The UK is typically involved in enforcing its own laws too, and makes it almost impossible to get justice in regards to European law, because of the complexity of the chain of command, after submitting appeals. it can take 5 years or more. and those with a little knowledge on European law, will not touch cases, that have to do with government, not in their best interest, if they want to continue business in the UK.

Jurisdiction is everything, and in your case arbitration is everything, if anyone is going to listen, if they listen, they will then assess the situation, although if the Company does have contacts high up in the network, it may be ignored, or if someone is looking for a spot in the lime light with a bit of publicity, which may do them good, they may just take on your case.. basically if they have a 99% chance of winning your case, they may even do it free, its great to have publicity, many legal teams take on litigation cases on a no win no fee basis in the west, but like i say, they are 99% sure of winning before they take the case if its a western international lawyer of which i would look for, after consultation.

Although it may even not come to that, because the free legal advice officer, will just phone them up and ask what is going on and why, so you will have a chance to put your case forward. Before taking the advice.

The pro bono service is also for non residents, although you need to check the list for no restrictions, because most are for Singaporeans and PR's only.

http://www.lawsociety.org.sg/pro_bono/d ... 091107.pdf


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