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Postby avontflex » Mon, 14 Jun 2010 5:08 pm

maverick_ wrote:Well, that's good! Not many people get the chance to be an ATCO! May I know what's your educational requirements and how long did they inform you on the result of your test?


ya i know not many pple can be offered.the aptitude test eliminated many pple.i dont know hows the passing rate like anyway..i m degree holder.this job takes in minimum diploma.but during the site visit if i rmb correctly 3/4 are degree holders.within 2 days HR got back to me whether i pass anot.i dont know the grades...
how abt u?

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Postby maverick_ » Mon, 14 Jun 2010 9:32 pm

I just took the computer test today, not sure if I can go through. You signed the contract already? Kinda nervous bout the results/interviews. Haha.
"For once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. "

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Postby avontflex » Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:46 pm

maverick_ wrote:I just took the computer test today, not sure if I can go through. You signed the contract already? Kinda nervous bout the results/interviews. Haha.


oh did heard christina mentioning tt they stil recruiting pple to fill up quota.i haven sign contract.its really a v stressful job with long training, so got to think v hard abt it.since u completed the test then just sit back and look for other jobs in the meantime,if u r not employed at this moment =) gd luck

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Postby maverick_ » Wed, 16 Jun 2010 5:29 pm

Haha alright, when does your training start? Yet to have receive any news from Christina. :/ Do they inform if you fail the test too? Like 'We regret to inform that only shortlisted applicants will be notified.'
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Postby avontflex » Mon, 21 Jun 2010 9:08 am

maverick_ wrote:Haha alright, when does your training start? Yet to have receive any news from Christina. :/ Do they inform if you fail the test too? Like 'We regret to inform that only shortlisted applicants will be notified.'


training will begin on 6 sep for primary air traffic control course.its a theory course.i dont tink she wil inform if you fail..at least tts wad happen 3yrs ago when i took..but if u r not selected i tink she will email tt sentence u mentioned..'We regret to inform that only shortlisted applicants will be notified.'

u can try again next yr if this time cmi =)

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Postby GT-R » Wed, 23 Jun 2010 8:42 pm

Hi all. I am contemplating about switching career path, to join the ATC family.

I have read the posts in this topic, and I do understand there are changes/improvements with regards to the ATC job in the past few years, such as shorter bond, better remuneration, etc.

Here comes my question. What is the current salary scale a diploma or degree holder can expect to get during and after training? I sincerely do hope people who are already in the ATC career can provide some information on this. Thanks alot.

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Postby avontflex » Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:21 am

GT-R wrote:Hi all. I am contemplating about switching career path, to join the ATC family.

I have read the posts in this topic, and I do understand there are changes/improvements with regards to the ATC job in the past few years, such as shorter bond, better remuneration, etc.

Here comes my question. What is the current salary scale a diploma or degree holder can expect to get during and after training? I sincerely do hope people who are already in the ATC career can provide some information on this. Thanks alot.


i m not an atc but i knw the latest salary for them since HR told us.during training, $1200 for female diploma,$1500 for male diploma/female degree,$1800 for male degree.during training got extra 5% allowance
after training..start from $2500 to $5000.depends on education...i knw female honours (lower) is nearly $2500.will have a 12% rating allowance n $100 allowance.all in all abt $ 2900

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Postby GT-R » Sat, 26 Jun 2010 9:26 am

Thanks alot for the info.. so I guess you are a trainee already?

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Postby avontflex » Wed, 30 Jun 2010 8:36 am

GT-R wrote:Thanks alot for the info.. so I guess you are a trainee already?


no...i rejected the job.but stil had a gd experience thr 1 aptitude test,2 interviews and 1 site visit.site visit was really awesome. :D but afterall atc doesnt match my career goals,but its still an outstanding career

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Postby mcpng » Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:34 pm

Hi,

I just applied for ATC. Not sure if that's what I want but it sounded interesting so I signed up. Got a few questions, hope you can all share with me your insights or opinions since this thread is fortunate enough to have so many ATCs participating.

I may have asked a lot of questions below. Don't mean to overwhelm, but just curious. I tried to sum them up into a few bigger points.


1) What are career prospects truly like?

I understand from earlier posts that there is training and all, and so what happens after you become a full fledged ATC? Is there just one level above that, like a ATC supervisor? Beyond that, is it all management side? If it's management side, then those people will be non-ATCs who joined CAAS in managerial roles already? If you move from ATC to managerial side, will you have spent maybe 10 years or more to achieve what those who start off in managerial spend much less time getting? What other upward movement prospects are there? Or do most of you sign up with the goal of being a ATC until leaving the job? If it pays 100k after 8-9 years, it's actually pretty good. But is that a realistic amount or only applies to really good performers?

2) Are skills acquired transferrable/useful for other careers?

I think one of the first thing that comes to my mind when considering ATC is that Singapore pretty much only have Changi airport. I read there is also Seletar, so that makes two. I don't think anyone would move from either or these into airforce because someone mentioned airforce must retire at 45. So, what if you for whatever reasons you want to leave your workplace? Where else can you find work in your expertise? And if you leave for a different industry, would it be a big problem that your work history is in a narrow field? I understand this may be only speculated on if you are still an ATC. But what are your opinions? And if anyone has left the ATC, care to share your experiences? I also feel that it is unlikely any foreign country will hire you as ATC in their own land, thoughts?

3) The pay...yes, something about it.

A few google searches will reveal that being an ATC is rated one of the top paying jobs, especially among no-degree-required jobs. Most of the data of course probably is American. Average pays seem to be 100k. Not considering exchange rate, do you think this applies to Singapore as well? I guess this is somewhat a paraphrase of my earlier question of, how likely is it that an average person will actually make 100k/year as ATC?

4) Prestige, job reputation.

I'll be lying if I said I don't care what other people think about my job. In Singapore context, it matters to me because let's face it, people DO label you. Furthermore, the salary isn't very high to compensate. There is a chic factor in being an ATC, but how do your family and relatives react? I don't mean to demean you, I am just wondering about the honest truth since I may consider being an ATC although I just applied and may not even get a reply. How do you feel if you meet old friends and have to tell them what you do? Some maybe be big shots, that's one things. Others may be not-so-big, but they may boast of their future plans and prospects. Are you afraid that people will look down on you? Apart from early training phase, is the pay and respect within the CAAS about the same for degree holders in managerial and ATC positions? I ask about degree because the managerial position can only be applied if you are degree or above.

5) Social life.

Since it's shift work, will it be like going to work by yourself, end up in a particular shift, maybe different people on different shifts, and then having off days while your closer colleagues are on shift? What impact does a shift cycle have on your way of life? i did shift duties extending over 3 weeks before in NS (Protection of Installation duties). Had over 6 such 3 week schedules but all got 3 weeks break in between. And that was army, so it's like ok. But shift cycling for months, and years...how does it feel? Where a 7 day week probably doesn't even have meaning to you anymore?


:???: too many questions right? haha, i also blur already.

Anyway, would like to hear more!

I think being an ATC really has this "cool" factor. If I have the chance, and if the pay not bad, bond not too long, would really love to do it. But then, 6 years until can read radar...wow, that's as long as it takes to become a surgeon. no kidding. :shock:

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Postby me32 » Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:29 pm

Hi hi,

Here are some thoughts that I had when I was thinking about a career as an ATC.

It's not for everyone. This isn't one of those jobs that get the bulk of our society scampering to join in a flash. Think Pilot or Financier. Much of the discussion here has been about the pay. In all honestly, it matters, but lets talk about the other factors to consider before wrapping the issue up.

Assuming you have the passion for aviation, and you rather not pursue a commercial pilot route for some reason, this job is one where you get to work directly with airplanes. Aircraft Engineers or Air Stewards might come close, but not as close as this. It is mainly an operational job for the first 6-8 years, thereafter, you might consider (or be considered) for a planning, training or management role. So essentially, it's a calling, passion, perhaps a dream, for some of us to work in this role.

For a job that doesn't receive much publicity or fanfare, the first impression that others get is " So..you're the ground guy waving the sticks at airplanes?". Basically, I believe that you will get disillusion with the job if you're first priority is salary or prestige. From what I experienced, most people get a reality check after the second interview where the panel really gets into your head and warns you about the long-term nature and specialization of this job.

The perks and benefits have already been covered by other posters. What is irregular shift work to some, is considered flexibility and a big plus towards work-life balance. The much needed 0.5 hour breaks is a god-sent to some of the restless folks who can't sit still at their desk for long periods of time. Some call the work stressful, while others choose respect the responsibility on their shoulders and see significance in their job. Throw in a good measure of job security and it's a pretty decent package!

The pay is decent but honestly, average at best. It's rises gradually and you do get the chance to earn good money after 8-9 years ( I'm trusting those who posted this amount! Don't let me down!) To those interested in aviation and want to fly, do you know of a company that subsidies 90% of your PPL fees for up to 80 hours and 50% of your PPL annual upkeep? Do a simple calculation and you might just frame your salary in a different light.

At the end of the day, it boils down to finding a balance between your own interest, alternative job opportunities/prospects, preference with type of work environment, private/public sector, what others think of your job, your job satisfaction.

And if this is your cup of tea, this might just be that job suited just for you.

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Postby Kiwiteddy » Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:31 pm

Hi all!!!

I've applied for the ATC position and they are asking me down for the computer screening test. Was having some questions about the $$ portion in mind, hope you guys could advise on this:) Was interested in the position but was afraid the pay can't feed me.

-How much does a female diploma earn during the first training period?? $1,200??
-Then how much will the pay be after the training?
-How's the increment system over there?
-Can really reach 100K after 8-9 yrs?? (tt's a lot!!)

Thank you!!! :D

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Postby vaio » Fri, 06 Aug 2010 1:48 pm

old timer always say, ATC, this job, pay is enough for you to buy a HDB and a japanese car.
Some of us drives conti car and stay in condo.
I'm a dip holder, to reach 100k in 8 to 9 years, can be done.
At my 4th to 5th year, I'm taking in around 60k pa.

Should really just put aside this pay thing and consider the job proper.

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Postby Kiwiteddy » Wed, 11 Aug 2010 6:07 pm

Hi Guys,

Have turned down the offer today. Feel rather sad though. :(

Just feel that i'm not ready for this challenging job yet.

Thanks for all the posts in this forum. I wish you guys all the best!!

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Postby vaio » Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:15 pm

Saw this recently from a collegue, looks interesting.

What is it like to be an AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER?
The job often sucks
Even for those of us who love it
We are not appreciated by anyone outside of our profession
We hold more lives in our hands in one average shift than a medical doctor does in his whole career
Pilots don't understand us
or even listen sometimes
but they rely on us to save their asses when they need us
and will probably never say thank you
Everything we say is recorded
We have to be prepared to defend every word we say in a court of law should the unthinkable happen
We are responsible for knowing more rules than humanly possible
Those rules are subject to daily change
We can't imagine doing any other job
We carry around in our heads the equivalent amount of data as the average metropolitan phone book
We don't have time to look anything up
We aren't allowed to make mistakes
We don't have a God complex
We are Gods
We receive more training than physicians
We can't make our "clients" wait in a waiting room until we're ready for them
We are always in control
We control everything in our environment
This affects our personal life in ways that a non-controller cannot fathom
Our spouses will never understand us
or what we do
We can't bring the job home
But it is always with us
We all have crash dreams
We will control traffic in our sleep
We never have to worry about a foot-high inbox when we come into work
We can't put an airplane back in the inbox to deal with later
We take extreme pride in the quality of our work, no matter how negatively the FAA, the media and some politicians portray us
No, you can not imagine the stress
We aren't able to tolerate a read-back error at a drive thru restaurant
Indecision is unacceptable in any scenario
We didn't invent the "Mooney spike" but we see the effects of it every day
We don't get bathroom breaks whenever we need them
We learn to hold it until we get a break
There is always something that needs to be done right now
We have a lack of tolerance for miscommunication
We get grumpy when we don't have enough airplanes to keep us busy
We get grumpy when we have too many
We are the only ones who know where we draw this invisible line between the two
We love gallows humor
When we retire, we will seek out, socialize with, and keep close friendships with other controllers
They are still the only people who come close to understanding us or are willing to put up with us
We get to retire "early"
But most of us wont live more than ten years after retirement
We expect people to say what they mean and mean what they say
Everything in life is either black or white
there is no gray
We can drink a hotel bar dry in about two hours.
We use anticipated separation when we drive
We can't understand people who don't know how to calculate speed differences to hit gaps on the highway
There is something "off" about ALL of us
We all want children to have "normal" lives and "normal" jobs
But we are so proud when they choose to become controllers themselves
We are not allowed to treat our depression or anxiety with FDA-approved medicine
Or even admit out loud that we suffer from either
We will lose our jobs if we do
But we can drink our weight in Jim Beam
As long as we are at least 8 hours from our next shift
Most of us look 10 yrs older than our age and act 10 yrs younger
We know all the different variations of the word "stress"
We are drawn to extremely dangerous pastimes
We will eventually be on blood pressure medication
We don't know what normal sleep patterns are
We're not allowed to use sleep aids
We work in the middle of the night
and on Christmas
and weekends
and your birthday
We will never have "normal" days off
We will never have a regular social life
We can't participate in our kids' school activities
We know that our worth isn't reflected by our position in the FAA or our rank in the military
A newly-checked out controller who can move metal will always have more of our respect than a member of management or a highly ranked officer who can't separate two flies with a screen door
Our friends won't understand that we can't just leave work
or get off work
or stop thinking about work
We are not "Disney-friendly"
People think that we are the guys on the ramp with the flashlights
and that we get to fly for free
We make more money than you do
But you have the house
and the cars
and the vacation home
and the time with your family
We have the clothes, the watch, the sunglasses and the attitude
We are fluent in three languages: English, Acronyms and Cursing
We speak all three simultaneously and loudly
We don't say "goodbye" when we hang up the phone, we give our operating initials
Controller candy comes in two flavors: TUMS and Ibuprofen.
When a cold or flu strikes we just suck it up 'cause we can't take otc cold medication without being medically disqualified
We are brutally, ridiculously, ruthlessly hard on each other
We have thick skin
We will be the last person a pilot talks to on this earth
We will hear the terror in his voice
We will calmly use every tool we have to bring him down safely
We will hear his screams when we can't
We will never forget it
We will relive it again and again
We will go right back to work the next day and do it again
We aren't allowed to cry
When one of us fails we will laugh at him
When one of us succeeds we won't acknowledge it
We don't have time to pat ourselves or each other on the back
We have vectoring to do


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