This little debate kind of reminds me, of politics and the yard stick.....when one say's he is 100% labour and for the workers, yet steals everything, and gives them nothing, reminds me of Tony Blair....and we have Maggie Thatcher that also promised everything, and again delivered nothing, however he son did alright out of her connections.
Politics and religion for me, is one of the same...although i saw the light long ago! Faith starts within oneself and not in other people, politics or religion, the faith of humanity is exactly, that.
Although I do see, the ones, that maybe blinded, by the light, and the aura of others, the trickery, and deceit, is all around us, not all can see it, because they want to believe in something, anything, will do, even if its a football team, and here we can draw parallels.
I was reading a fair deal on psychology, and how, most people are open to suggestive subliminal remarks, when suffering stress or in need of a break, from the social pressures, that surround us.
Many that are struggling in life, or are grieving for lost ones, become vulnerable, and discontented, looking for a thread of hope, of which many will take advantage of.
I have nothing really against religion, it serves several purposes in life, although harmony of the human race is not one of them.
Coming from the UK, and feeling everything is not equal, and was never meat to be, in a Country ruled by royalty and those endowed with lands has rewards, for their empiric rule, to serve the king or queen, is a difficult indoctrinate to shed, in the 21st century, primitive thinking is all around us, and therefore cannot be directed at one country alone.
Many are blind to trickery and deceit, it's like a magicians that show, there professionalism, some will really believe in magic, until convinced otherwise, the more primitive and uneducated, may never figure it out...after all IQ, is supposed to be, the measure of intelligence.
Of which I, have my doubts, because i may not have the experience or routine of solving, these puzzles in books doesn't make me less intelligent, in my book, all it does, is point out, that i have not gained routine in solving the issues at hand.
And this may also be adopted by faith, and humanity, many problems really do exist and the powers of B, have a tight hold, on the majority, which was recruited in the dark ages, with belief.
We do see, how churches around the world start to crumble, and how indoctrination is used in several faiths, with new up to date, marketing techniques to change, the outlook of the Church, and to build something powerful, like a pyramid, it caters, for the needs and wants of people, just like any other business model.
But I also see, a good social side, to meeting others, its kind of a brotherhood, secret society, cult, with one aim....although the followers, only ask questions, when it doesn't go there way of liking.
Like the yard stick and politics, its not easy to say, were the majority cross over from one to the other, but it is happening all the time, until the deceit is brought into the open, then followers, stop voting or attending.
It is without a doubt the human weakness, to follow Shepard, without any good reason to, in the hope of something better, not all are satisfied just like consumers....that are blinded, by marketing techniques, for bad quality products.
Business is not very much different, it takes a long while before meeting the partners you have faith in, but its all about providing the wants and needs of others, to make them satisfied....have faith, that you will get good value for money and not be cheated.
So I say except what is there, if ones needs are served and people are satisfied, it would be challenging of anyone, to start saying our product is better, believe in this, that, or the other, but not religion...
Its not wrong for disbelievers, to deliver primitive thoughts and base it all on 3rd world thinking, its basically not the issue, the UK have millions of Church followers, like other Countries, although it is my belief, it needs to be better regulated.
I had visited some new age Church in UK, with a Chinese friend who was a believer, and i was totally shocked, what i saw inside, it was nothing more than a theatrical show, of screaming and crying, and people falling around, in trance like states, my belief, is that the majority of actors, were involved in the cult like practice and brainwashing, which also disturbed the Chinese believer.
My doors are open to any religious faiths, because i accept all, with open hands, and use parts of each faith, that make me a better person, it satisfies me and fulfils my needs, because i am apart of gods creation, not the ones preaching updated storey books, to suit the 21st century.
My belief is that, living is hell so death must be heaven, and I often ask, why I see so many sufferings around the world, no matter how much faith one has, the natural elements will throw back 10 fold, for the damage humans make on the planet earth which is protected by forces beyond our Control.
One can call it the balacing act of the planets survival, against greed of humans...having faith in god, is not going to help, because god, wiped out the human race before, and it will happen again, without question, but not in our life time.
All the wars and misunderstandings are for what? power to lead others, not to embrace lives, kill the opposition in the name of god.
Evolution must be understood, and not humiliated, because one appears to be genetically more advanced, than the other, in terms of education, or cultural up bringing....survival instincts are more important to life, than those sitting in the arm chairs, just making comments.
When god strikes, he strikes with vengence, and for unknown reasons, to inflict suffering, and i'm sure he doesn't pull out straws, our destiny and time machine, maybe well mapped out at birth, who knows.
My point is, that we can all relate to death and violence and we all shed the same tears, it has nothing to do, with 3rd world thinking, in my opinion, it is probably more to do with superiority complexes and egos of human kind...of which, one day, they may be reminded of, when, it is their time to suffer, although the historians would be out of work, if we wasn't reminded of the power struggle and superiority of human kind.
I would much rather love my neighbour, no matter what colour, race or physical form, than indulge in competition of I'm better than them, a superior race is one of harmony, and will outlive, the biggot any day of the week.
Although sadly politics and religions are the focal point of rule, on a global scale, it is better to protect the sheep from the wolves in my opinion. Wolves? again we have many kinds on the planet!
What the debate has done for me, is to open my eyes, to the bredth of opinions, of which i was aware of, and reminds me, that my ego is better, toned down, than up, if I wish to maintain my faith within myself for humanity.
WIMH piece is very much my own opinion in many ways, and is also why i see, the external actions of humans like a movie, or a dream state...when i look at my cat, i say to myself CAT, who named you CAT, humans did of course.
Then I imagine being a CAT, and think well if i was to look at a flower, from a CATS point of view, it wouldn't be called anything, it would just be a reflection of light, like what we see around us.
I was showing the image of a ghost in a lift, on another thread, to my wife, who became so scared, because of her belief in ghosts. I also have a belief, that life after death may linger for a while, although the mind is so powerful, it can actually take control of the person it is in, and do unprecitable actions, the church may see it has possession of good or evil, look at stigmata, still being researched and many fakes found, however the mind is capable of powerful thoughts of communication, of which i have also experienced in a strange and confused way, of perception, which lasted several years, and just disappeared, has quickly has it arrived.
Was it brought on by emotion, stress, no one knows, but several close to me, have seen the proof, no matter, what wave length we travel on, energy is energy, and the opposite is death...and i can relate living to hell, in my life time, only because i looked and experienced hell many times around me, did my heart and soul suffer the shock of humanity.
I say shock of humanity because of living life outside of my protected shell of ignorance, to the suffering of others worse off than myself.
A storm that takes 15000 lives, in a day, tells me, that humans will lose, the battle, against the elements and the universe will repair itself, that is gods creation, that's what i have faith in, I am a part of the universe, and my destiny is mapped out, how i get there is my choice.
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