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If one applies for PR for themselves, but they don't apply..

Post by ctavakoli » Sat, 16 Feb 2008 8:14 pm

Hi All,

If one applies for PR for themselves, but they don't apply for PR for their kids, can their kids still stay in Singapore with them. I see the following on the Annex form to 4A which says if you don't inclue them on your application they'll lose their dependents pass when you switch to SPR from EP holder. But it doesn't say whether if you include them on the application but say 'no' under 'Applying for PR with you?' if you can get them a Dependants Pass. I guess my question is, can parents be SPR's but their kids be residing in Singapore on Dependant Passes or some type of other temporary resident pass?

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22. Once a Work Pass holder has obtained Singapore Permanent Resident status, his/her work pass will be invalidated. If the work pass holder did not include his/her family member(s) who are Dependant’s Pass holders, in the PR application, the family member(s) must surrender their Dependant’s or Long Term Social Visit Pass(es) (if any) to the Ministry of Manpower (MOM), Work Pass Division immediately for cancellation. To cancel, please bring the cancellation letter from the sponsoring corporation, the pass holder’s travel document, the Disembarkation/Embarkation Card and a duly completed Form IMM27A.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 16 Feb 2008 9:29 pm

The short answer is no. Dependent passes are only given out to Dependents of employment pass holders.

The only other way would be to try to get them student visas. If the kids aren't full time students though you are out of luck. They government is not going to make it easy to get your male kids out of doing NS that much you can be assured of.

Edited to change are to aren't as it was supposed to be initially.
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Post by skye » Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:18 pm

You don't have to apply for PR for your children - this is a change from a few years ago. They will lose their DPs as they fall when your EP is cancelled. SMS would have been correct a few years ago but in practice the ICA policy has changed on this now. If your PR is granted you can then apply for a LTSVP for the children if they are very young, or student pass for full time school age kids. There is a slight risk though that it won't be granted, and you won't know for sure until after you get your PR then apply for the kids' passes. The ICA website has a list of acceptable educational institutions and criteria for granting student passes. We and most people we know have been granted student passes for our children without a problem but I did hear of one child that was refused. I don't know the reason for refusal or if they were successful on appeal. You could talk to the ICA staff. They may not be able to give you a definite answer as each application is considered on its merits but in general they are very helpful.

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Post by ctavakoli » Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:41 pm

thanks sms & skye..

skye are you saying we'd apply for the following?:

http://app.ica.gov.sg/serv_visitor/soci ... asp#parent

Social Visitor (below 21 years old) Whose Parent Is A Singapore Citizen (SC) or Singapore Permanent Resident (SPR)

* A copy (original) of duly completed Form 14, Form V39I (Form V39I is only for non-Malaysians). You will require Adobe Acrobat Reader to read and print the form. Download may take a while;
* 1 recent passport sized colour photograph which meets the following requirements to be pasted on the top right-hand corner of Form 14:
o The photograph image must be taken within the last 3 months;
o The photograph should be in colour, must be taken against a white background with a matt or semi-matt finish;
o The photograph image must show the full face and without headgear (headgear worn in accordance with religious or racial customs is acceptable but must not hide the facial features);
* Applicant's birth certificate;
* Sponsor's marriage certificate; if the sponsor is divorced, the sponsor's divorce certificate and custody paper; if the sponsor is widowed, the spouse's death certificate;
* Parents' identity cards;
* If only one of the parents is a SC/SPR:
o Sponsor's Income Tax Notice of Assessment for the last 3 years;
o Sponsor's CPF Statement showing monthly CPF contribution for the last 12 months;
o Sponsor's letter of employment stating date of commencement, designation and salary per month (for self-employed: sponsor's valid Registration Certificate from the Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority (ACRA);
o Sponsor's highest educational certificate;

(The original and photocopies of the above documents are required.)

* Applicant's valid travel document.

Note: Applicable only for applicant below 21 years old. Application must be sponsored by the parent.


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Post by skye » Sun, 17 Feb 2008 2:43 pm

Yes, I think that's the right one for a LTSVP if your child is a pre-schooler or not studying in school. If you have a child in school, you would go for a student pass. Schools usually have to see that before admission. After our PR was approved and we went along to get our ICs from ICA, we had to take along the green card and passport for our child and his DP was cancelled. He had a Social Visit Pass stamped in his passport and we then had to get on with the other paperwork. As a new PR, you won't have any CPF Statement yet but you just have to write a letter explaining that, otherwise the paperwork is mostly the same as for your PR. There are date limits on how recently some letters, like the employer's letter is issued, so you may need a fresh one when you apply.
Looking ahead if you are making this your long-term home, remember that as a non-PR your child will have to leave when he finishes studying and has no right to continue living here.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 17 Feb 2008 8:19 pm

I stand corrected. My information is out of date. Thanks Skye! Been a few years since my kids were small (18 & 23 now).

Depending on budgets, see the Ministry of Education link in my signature under "Government Sites" for information regarding the placing of children in the local School System or see International Schools further down the same first column for a listing of international/private schools.
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Post by Skinny-n-Starsie » Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:35 pm

:D

Just had to say THANKYOU!!! The info supplied has just cleared up some last min nailbiting questions for our 12 year old son.

Hugz to you all for the info..

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Post by ctavakoli » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:40 am

thanks all for the info.. greatly appreciated..

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Post by ctavakoli » Wed, 20 Feb 2008 2:14 am

Hi again all - sorry, i do have another question.. From some separate sources I've heard and read that there's no minimum time that you need to be in Singapore on an EP before you can qualify for PR (or apply for PR - I guess there's a difference).. But when I look at the self assessment tool on the PSI website (https://www.psi.gov.sg/NASApp/tmf/TMFSe ... eload=true) and i complete it as though i were to apply today, the result is amber and the comment is, 'try again in 2 years'.. when i resubmit it and say that i've already been there 2 years, it passes..

so i guess my question is, does one need to wait 32 years in order to qualify for singaporean pr?

many thanks,

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Post by ctavakoli » Wed, 20 Feb 2008 2:15 am

sorry, typo - i meant 2 years, not 32 years..

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Post by ksl » Wed, 20 Feb 2008 5:11 am

ctavakoli wrote:sorry, typo - i meant 2 years, not 32 years..
I believe it's a case by case scenario for many, you can apply early and get a no for the majority.

But if your skill is in great demand and they need you, they may waiver the rules, when they want and need to. I believe some people have had PR under 2 years, but the majority will be delayed for at least 2 years is I would think the norm.

That way, they get to choose the best of the bunch too, with regards to many factors, only they themselves know about.

Like how rich you are, your politics, and your potential to serve Singapore in a positive way and so on :) , can you make kids ha! :) Because most can't or don't want to!

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what about kids born in Singapore

Post by lsac0902 » Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:22 am

Hi, we are in Singapore since last June and we consider to apply for the PR. We have a baby born here. Do we need to apply for him as he's born in Singapore or we can ask for a LTSVP once we get the PR?

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