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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:24 pm

Accurate but only to the point of "What America Needs"

I'm not sure he could answer the question "Why Me" as he doesn't have any real demonstrable experience. He has good rhetoric and a good machine behind him. He also has his youth and the "idealism" that JFK had and he has only that to work with. So far, he doing an admirable job of it.

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Postby Wind In My Hair » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:39 pm

Thanks SMS. I guess if I were hiring someone to do a job I would prefer the person who focused on what needs to be done than the one focused on himself (no matter how qualified) and not the job.

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Postby cutiebutie » Fri, 06 Jun 2008 3:46 pm

maneo wrote:
cutiebutie wrote:Most polls maintain that Clinton would beat McCain whereas Obama vs McCain would not be so clear-cut.

Only poll that matters occurs in November.


Indeed. :)
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Postby RULDS » Thu, 12 Jun 2008 4:48 pm

I don't like Obama and I don't like McCain so which one do I dis-like the least.

I decided to go to Obama's website. It seems like everything he wants to do is give...give...give. It doesn't matter who you are because he has a program to GIVE to you. I don't think he has a message of hope, it is a message of giving.

The next question is where is he taking from in order to give?

McCain...well, even though Obama's trumps card is "He is 4 more years of Bush" - I really hate that because he is at the opposite side of the party from him...it just makes a good sound clip because Obama loves to play on emotions. Regardless, McCain is just an old man that doesn't have anything grand about himself.

In my opinion, for the first time in my generation, the VP might really be the swing vote. I will be eager to see both candidates debate one another with Obama's smooth words (I call him 'Iceman') and McCain being the straight-talking 'Maverick' that he is with no great oratory skills.

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Postby Bafana » Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:01 pm

Well here we are ladies and gentlemen.

Tomorrow is the big day - Any thoughts on what the outcome will be?

BTW as a non-American this is the first time I have watched a US Election from Primary to Election Day. It has/is an amazing trip.

Pity the only serious continuous coverage here has been from Fox News as would have liked to seen what some of the Left Sided channels were saying.

BTW The O'Reilly Factor is not bad.
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Postby hibri2 » Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:39 pm

Bafana wrote:BTW as a non-American this is the first time I have watched a US Election from Primary to Election Day. It has/is an amazing trip.


as an non-U.S.A American its not the first time i have followed an US election, but its the first time i have followed a U.S politician for such a long time, since his 27 July 2004 speech to now, Obama seems to be what the world needs.

so today is the big day, lets hope the voters do not disappoint us one more time, they let the 2000 be stolen, fear got the better of them in 2004, lets see how it goes in 2008.

we will be a little bit too tired of another "im sorry everybody"

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 Nov 2008 1:29 pm

Yep, looks like next year I'll be addressing my mail to my parents no longer as the USA but the USSA. I have now accepted the fact that the majority of Americans are just as dumb as most foreigners think we are. I accept that Obama will get elected but with his background and his penchant for reneging on campaign promises even before getting elected, I just don't trust the guy.

Wait till all the overseas yanks get their 2555's yanked from under them. They all thought they got screwed last year with the moving expenses and housing allowances, wait till our new President take it ALL away. And gives it as free handout to the lazy busturds that won't work. Read it and weep. Spread the wealth.......your wealth that is.....

Say Welcome to the United Socialist States of America my friends. The beginning of the end of our nation as we know it. I know, some will say it's about time. I hope, if you don't hold a US Passport and are saying that, you don't have reason to rue the day you made that remark. Don't call us. Find somebody else to take up for you. Somebody that will shiv a git. Our president wont as he'll be too busy spreading the wealth around.

(Funny enough, gun sales are skyrocketing recently - doesn't surprise me at all)

Personally, no matter what happens in this election, I think it's gonna be an interesting first year when they try to ram everything down America's throat when they get a full majority in the house and senate as well. Just think, no check & balances. :cry:

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Postby hibri2 » Tue, 04 Nov 2008 3:10 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Say Welcome to the United Socialist States of America my friends.


well, i think is much better than:

Welcome to the fundamentalist christian states of america, eh?

by the way, i dont know whats the thing with the socialist issue... its just like the anarchist word, many people use it, not some many understand it.

most of the people who are against spreading social prosperity are just defending the interests of a minority, better be a monarchist, at least it makes more sense if you believe that the king is chosen by god and such.

the whole concept of "you are poor because you are lazy" is close to a human rights violation! people are poor because wealth is not properly distributed and certain systems promote poverty to have an endless source of cheap labor.
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Postby hibri2 » Tue, 04 Nov 2008 3:29 pm

hibri2 wrote:by the way, i dont know whats the thing with the socialist issue... its just like the anarchist word, many people use it, not some many understand it.


to clarify, Obama economical platform has nothing of socialism... right wingers are using that "spooky" word just to create F.U.D.

can you elaborate on your understanding of socialism and why do you think obama is gonna turn U.S.of.A into a socialist state?

dont throw "spooky" words freely.
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Postby road.not.taken » Tue, 04 Nov 2008 4:56 pm

hibri2 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Say Welcome to the United Socialist States of America my friends.


well, i think is much better than:

Welcome to the fundamentalist christian states of america, eh?


Well put =D>

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:15 pm

I'll agree with that as well. That's also why I've been agnostic for over 45 years. Sorry I'll not rise to the bait.

Nor will I get into a semantic discussion over a textbook meaning of the word socialist. I leave that to you guys once the honeymoon is over....

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Postby hibri2 » Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:06 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I'll agree with that as well. That's also why I've been agnostic for over 45 years. Sorry I'll not rise to the bait.


noted.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Nor will I get into a semantic discussion over a textbook meaning of the word socialist. I leave that to you guys once the honeymoon is over....


well if you dont want to define why you call obama a socialist president, you should rather dont use that kind of sound bits, it sounds like FAUX news, if you get my drift.

socialism in its most basic form, is based on the collectivist ownership of the means of production, that is translated to make private enterprise public.

it cant be socialist without that simple syllogism. as far as i know obama wont nationalize any industry, he will maintain private property and such, he among other things, will raise taxes to the richest echelon of the country, thats not socialism... thats necessary.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:04 pm

It all starts somewhere doesn't it. Like I said, I leave it to you guys after the honeymoon is over.

The Third Reich didn't get to prominence overnight either. One step at a time. Idealism doesn't always translate in viability. But, we'll see. :-|

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:19 pm

OBAMA WINS!!!

Best thing to happen to the US in a long time. Out with the failed, divisive policies of the Republicans and their neo con, right wing fomenters. We now have a chance to restore the USA.

And SMS, this socialism thing is so much BS.

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Postby hibri2 » Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:21 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It all starts somewhere doesn't it. Like I said, I leave it to you guys after the honeymoon is over.


i totally get what you say here, actually, i sort of agree with ye in the futility of blindly trusting authority and the dangers of idealism without fundamental political maturity, one of the banes democracy.

that said, its highly unprovable that obama will ever turn U.S.of.A into a socialist state thats just F.U.D. bait.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:The Third Reich didn't get to prominence overnight either. One step at a time. Idealism doesn't always translate in viability. But, we'll see. :-|


that last comment applies quite more to the bush 2004 victory, The Third Reich was put in place by fear and desperation, just like the current bush administration. the last 8 years of U.S.of.A. administration have more of third reich aptitudes and behavior than any other western country since the end of WW2.

obama victory (if achieved), its more an allende situation, its not fear, its hope.
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