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Postby HakFromOz » Thu, 22 Oct 2009 1:12 pm

so its a lose-lose situation. I thot that with Citizenship by Descent, if he doesnt take the Oath of Allegence, he can be "deprived of the Singapore Citizenship". He is already an Ozzie citizen, and he left Spore at age of 6. Yes, he did renew his passport at age 14, but the fact remains, and I am prepared to let his citizenship by descent lapse by not taking the Oath at age 21. Still no way out? Is there anyone out there in similar situation? If suay-suay he has to go back, will he be made a target for "tekan", since he speaks in an ozzie assent, unlike all other native Singaporeans? I'm afraid he may feel lonely there... what do do???? Need to speak to someone... please....

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Postby econoMIC » Thu, 22 Oct 2009 2:37 pm

HakFromOz wrote:so its a lose-lose situation. I thot that with Citizenship by Descent, if he doesnt take the Oath of Allegence, he can be "deprived of the Singapore Citizenship". He is already an Ozzie citizen, and he left Spore at age of 6. Yes, he did renew his passport at age 14, but the fact remains, and I am prepared to let his citizenship by descent lapse by not taking the Oath at age 21. Still no way out? Is there anyone out there in similar situation? If suay-suay he has to go back, will he be made a target for "tekan", since he speaks in an ozzie assent, unlike all other native Singaporeans? I'm afraid he may feel lonely there... what do do???? Need to speak to someone... please....


There is actually a way for him to not have to serve NS and him being able to renounce his citizenship by age 21. However you should have informed Mindef about that as early as possible already when applying for his exit permit and you should not have renewed his Singapore Passport. If he obtained an IC then it is over by now. So you should have gone through the right channels years ago.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 22 Oct 2009 4:10 pm

Hak, the operative word here is "he CAN be deprived of the Singapore Citizenship" not that he will, or won't, or when. They will extract their pound of flesh because the parents did not follow the rules. The Gahmen have a long, long memory and like their godfather, they will have their way, one way or the other.


HakFromOz wrote:so its a lose-lose situation. I thot that with Citizenship by Descent, if he doesnt take the Oath of Allegence, he can be "deprived of the Singapore Citizenship". He is already an Ozzie citizen, and he left Spore at age of 6. Yes, he did renew his passport at age 14, but the fact remains, and I am prepared to let his citizenship by descent lapse by not taking the Oath at age 21. Still no way out? Is there anyone out there in similar situation? If suay-suay he has to go back, will he be made a target for "tekan", since he speaks in an ozzie assent, unlike all other native Singaporeans? I'm afraid he may feel lonely there... what do do???? Need to speak to someone... please....

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Postby BooneC » Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:15 am

"....he left Spore at age of 6. Yes, he did renew his passport at age 14..."

As per econoMIC.

If he cut his ties with Singapore at age 6, including not using his passport he would have a case. Renewing his passport at 14 is excercising citizen rights.

Sadly, your choices are likely come back and serve NS or never set foot here again.

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Postby worriedmum » Sat, 09 Jan 2010 3:51 pm

did you manage to renounce your citizenship? i want to do it for my boy. he is turning 4 next year

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 09 Jan 2010 7:16 pm

worriedmum,

I've only one thing to say. Please don't sabo your child's future by thinking you can pull a fast one on the Singapore gahmen! If you want, break off ALL ties with Singapore. Otherwise, if you think you can shortcircuit the laws here, you are only going to make you sons life difficult. Possibly so much so that he may grow up to actually hate you for hamstringing his future over 21 months. If you are going to give up his citizenship, DO NOT keep a valid passport beyond the age of 11. If you have to, turn it in to the Singapore Consulate BEFORE he turns 11 if it expires after he turn eleven. May sure you get written confirmation that it was turned in. Read the excellent thread that is a sticky thread here and follow it to a T. Otherwise, you are asking for trouble (or put it this way, you are going to cause you son trouble in the future.

He cannot renounce until he is 21, but you MUST follow protocol before his 11th birthday in order to be able to do it correctly and safely. Otherwise, trouble sure to follow.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 9:34 am

Worried Mum

I can only advise this , if you want to renounce your child SG citizenship, give yourself sometime to reconsider and ponder and think hard of the repercussion of your action. As long as he does not return to Singapore or use SG Passport until the age of 11 or beyond, wait till he turns 9 or 10. Then decide. You might be suprised the change of heart in yourself or the child.
Do not do this at the spur of the moment as there is no U turn after this.
Whatever you decide after that thick or thin stick to it as you have made that choice and the choice is yourself and the child to make.
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Postby Tau Beta » Fri, 26 Mar 2010 5:08 am

Worried mum,

Yes…. I suspect your son will be arrested when he sets foot on Singapore soil. The Aussie government will not be able to represent him as he technically is of Dual Citizenship – i.e. while he’s in Singapore he is viewed as a Singapore Citizen even if you’re traveling with an Aussie passport while the rest of the world sees him as a true Aussie Citizen. He might possibly get away at the immigration checkpoint but who’s promising? For the fact that he is an Aussie boy and only a Singaporean by decent, you need to seriously consider his situation before you bring him for a visit to Singapore.

I spent my childhood in Singapore but had moved to the US at young age. I’ve visited Singapore after 25+ years twice as an adult. I speak American and I felt totally out of place like in a foreign land when I was there. It was a difficult and sad feeling. I love the people, the hawker food, the city, and my childhood memories but I wasn’t able to blend in like I thought I could. It would be hard to imagine seeing your son locked up in a cell and having to serve the National Service in Singapore as an Aussie boy. Please…. Be mindful of the situation. I agree with sundaymorningstaple that your son may have to cut all ties with Singapore since you’ve made a few bad legal procedural decisions. Countries that have conscription army are highly sensitive about multiple citizenships and their perception of "army defection".

We have a few Korean American boys serving the US Army getting arrested in S. Korea in US uniform when they were posted to bases in S. Korea just because their parents have had apply for their Korean citizenship even when they were born in the US (out of greed or insecurity.. I guess) and later had forgotten to renounce their Korean Citizenship when they were younger. These are American kids for crying out loud and now they are trapped in a web of bureaucratic “bs”

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Postby terrie35 » Sun, 09 May 2010 5:28 am

Oh, I find this topic very interesting. I am very blur about this topic.

Can someone tell me whether it is alright to enter Singapore if a boy renounces his Singapore citizenship at the age of 21? Will he be arrested if he visits Singapore?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 09 May 2010 6:40 am

terrie35 wrote:Oh, I find this topic very interesting. I am very blur about this topic.

Can someone tell me whether it is alright to enter Singapore if a boy renounces his Singapore citizenship at the age of 21? Will he be arrested if he visits Singapore?


It is important that he follows the step advise by many here. This guideline is proven , tested and confirmed by many here

If he follows these steps , and renounced his citizenship , he WILL NOT be arrested as he did not commit any crime at all. Moreover the child is citizen of another country lest he committed crime other than this immigration issue .

Let me know if you have other issue on this

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Re: Ns

Postby terrie35 » Mon, 10 May 2010 6:13 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
terrie35 wrote:Oh, I find this topic very interesting. I am very blur about this topic.

Can someone tell me whether it is alright to enter Singapore if a boy renounces his Singapore citizenship at the age of 21? Will he be arrested if he visits Singapore?


It is important that he follows the step advise by many here. This guideline is proven , tested and confirmed by many here

If he follows these steps , and renounced his citizenship , he WILL NOT be arrested as he did not commit any crime at all. Moreover the child is citizen of another country lest he committed crime other than this immigration issue .

Let me know if you have other issue on this

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Thanks a lot for your reply.

Mad Scientist, I have another question : what happens if the boy renounces his citizenship at an embassy at the age of 21 but never has a Exit permit that is mentioned in this forum? Is it safe for him to visit singapore?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 10 May 2010 6:43 am

terrie35 wrote:
Mad Scientist, I have another question : what happens if the boy renounces his citizenship at an embassy at the age of 21 but never has a Exit permit that is mentioned in this forum? Is it safe for him to visit singapore?


I would be inclined to ask several questions b4 I reply to you

1. Did he or his parent applied for him SG BC for dual citizenship
2. Is he born in Sger or otherwise
3. If he is born in foreign country does he has a Right of Entry STamp on his foreign passport
4. Did he or his parent got him an exit permit when he turns 13, register for NS when he is 16 and applied for deferment pending renunciation at 21
5. Did he left Sg b4 11 years of age
6. Has he own a SG IC or passport
7. Has he renounce his SG citizenship or not ?

Let me know b4 we can progress further

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Re: Ns

Postby terrie35 » Thu, 13 May 2010 3:37 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
terrie35 wrote:
Mad Scientist, I have another question : what happens if the boy renounces his citizenship at an embassy at the age of 21 but never has a Exit permit that is mentioned in this forum? Is it safe for him to visit singapore?


I would be inclined to ask several questions b4 I reply to you

1. Did he or his parent applied for him SG BC for dual citizenship
2. Is he born in Sger or otherwise
3. If he is born in foreign country does he has a Right of Entry STamp on his foreign passport
4. Did he or his parent got him an exit permit when he turns 13, register for NS when he is 16 and applied for deferment pending renunciation at 21
5. Did he left Sg b4 11 years of age
6. Has he own a SG IC or passport
7. Has he renounce his SG citizenship or not ?

Let me know b4 we can progress further

MS




The boy left singapore before the age of 9 with singapore passport, as he has a parent who is a foreigner. Never heard of Exit Permit, so no such permit was applied. At age 21, the boy renounced his citizenship at an embassy. So can he enter singapore without problem later on?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 13 May 2010 4:40 am

terrie35 wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:
terrie35 wrote:
The boy left singapore before the age of 9 with singapore passport, as he has a parent who is a foreigner. Never heard of Exit Permit, so no such permit was applied. At age 21, the boy renounced his citizenship at an embassy. So can he enter singapore without problem later on?


This is IMPORTANT
Has he or has he NOT renounce his SG citizenship ?


If he has been given the permission to renounce his citizenship and has renounced his SG citizenship at the SG Embassy overseas, then he will not face any problem in entering SG. He will be treated as any other social visitors coming to SG. The only thing that ICA border control knows is on his passport showing "place of birth > Singapore" which mean nothing as many expats' wife here gave birth to their kids here but not accorded to SG BC albeit SG Citizenship unless certain conditions are met by ICA which is a separate matter from your question.
The only reason why he is allowed to renounce is SG Gahmen has taken the right to renounce his SG citizenship on themselves when the child reach 21 and DID NOT pledge allegiance to SG as ICA allows the child to hold dual citizenship until the age of 21.
Moreover he left the country at the age of 9 and will be seen "NOT ENJOYING ANY SOCIO ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF SG"


If he or his parent has not done anything or thinking about it then it will be a set of obstacles that they have to overcome.
I will guide you on the latter one if it is necessary


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Re: Ns

Postby terrie35 » Thu, 13 May 2010 4:47 pm

He has already renounced his singapore citizenship at an embassy and received a letter saying that he ceased to be citizen of singapore, a few years ago. So will it be safe for him to visit old relatives in singapore? From your reply, it seems it is fine for him, right?


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