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Postby ksl » Sun, 06 Apr 2008 1:47 am

RULDS wrote:Right....pumping shares. I was not even going to respond but I still stand astonished that someone with multitude of posts (which brings up some additional isssues that we won't talk about) would be somewhat more intelligent to rant off on such non-sense. I believe that the forum discusses the US Stock market so I fully disclosed that I own MCD. I work in the this industry and was sharing my expertise. The only April fools joke is all the money I made that you did not.


SMS I got a big one hooked here! :lol:

Sorry Rulds old chum, it was 1st of April, didn't expect anyone to bite so drastically. MCD is actually a good share :wink: which surprises me!

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Re: USA Recession & Stockmarket

Postby saint73 » Sun, 06 Apr 2008 4:37 pm

ksl wrote:The USA recession has been officially declared, and the markets are down as expected..., its been forecast to get worse around middle of the year..and things are not at all looking good for the future..

Whats going to happen by 2010

Its been predicted that oil will sore in price over the 100$ by 2010

Interest rates will continue to go up, and 100's of thousands are expected to lose their homes

Prices of everything will sky rocket.

Shares gilts and cash will lose value too

Source Hemscott. UK

How do we protect, what we have, and also beat the market at the same time.....

I personally feel safe, with my investments, even though the portfolio is down 35%, I've seen my portfolio down 60% in the past, but I do have faith in my companies.

In fact I have been purchasing, because there are some incredible bargains, to be had, and the way to not lose out over the next couple of years, is to monitor your shares until they peak in the next 6 months, and sell off....although do not sell below your cost....if you are not in the black hold tight...But look for some bargains while the market is at its low, and accumilate sound solid growth companies.

One such growth company looks like this....You can see by the splits, that are done each year...this share was at 108 last week...But do not invest in it, without doing your own research..

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=3034.TW&t=5y

My point is, that buying opportunities are many fold, and the markets for the next year are going to be up and down like a yoyo, so the theory of buying in a bear market are sound...one can still make money...while the rest of the portfolio is down....

And just to put a little perspective on the above...it is reported that A.P Moller, The worlds largest shipping line, Maersk shipping, is sacking 3000 workers, becasue container shipments to the USA are down...


Many of my own shares will be peaking, so I will be cashing in, when the opportunity arises...and it will arise at least once in the next 6 months, knowing full well, they are going to drop, much lower in the next year.

Although I must stress again, that one should not panick and sell off...but accumilate..strong cheap companies, with good growth prospects.

We will see growth in special memory, not DDR memory, we will also see growth in LED and LCD TV, Solar Chips, and other energy saving sectors..traditional steel and utilities will continue to rise, as oil rises too, along with freight and shipping....

I remeber saying SGX will hit 11.50, it went on to hit 11.10 and I presume, it is not yet at its lowest yet, I've not yet had a look at the T/A, but it will be like this for a long period, up and down on a weekly merry go round... Ist quarter trading will be weak...although I expect some of the hot sectors, will outperform in the second quarter..before dividend payout!

Do your own research,, this is only my opinion, to minimise my risks in the market place.


Hi KSL,

Do you believe they have investment tools will help you to decide when you buy , when you going to sell?

As happened to listen this seminar but did not sign up...course nt cheap...Ha..ha..

Discover how you can increase your trading success rate at 80%, in just 10 - 15 minutes per day, using a proprietary T3B system Formulated, by a self made multi-millionare- who made his fortunate....

You can view websites:http://www.t3bsystem.com

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Postby ksl » Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:15 pm

Thanks for the link, looks interesting although hype can be costly too, tools are handy to have...that's why i stay with a basic head & shoulders technique on T/A and if swing trading I will get the feel of the market, industry and seasonal swings, before diving in...

I stick to my rule of thumb selling at 15 to 20%, and changing product companies, rather than industries, because when foreign investors are around...they tend to lead the way, the objective is to get out before they dump...otherwise one is stuck in, until they return again...which doesn't really matter providing it is a good healthy growth share.

With regards to the link...it's easy to get rich, if you have the money to invest in the first place a millionaire, in Sing $ isn't that difficult to become, if your selling the courses. :) At the end of the day, the tools are only as good, as the person that's using them.

Did you know the Clintons made over 100 million $, just be giving speeches.....So yes I quite believe these guys preaching their tools to beating the market, will do the trick, will become millionaires too :wink:

I guess I could also test your ability, to trade successfully, and give you tools to do it with, too...

What is more important than tools, is knowing ones own strengths & weaknesses, for example...risk aversion are you a gambler, or do you minimise your risks, the more you minimise, the less the return maybe.

The study of money and other assets;
The management and control of those assets;
Profiling and managing project risks;
The science of managing money;


On a scale of 1 to 10 you need to be around the 5 mark to be pretty cool at what you are doing, to hit a 8 for example, will be high risk, higher returns, but more of a gambler and likely to lose...hit a 3 and you have risk aversion...and cannot make the grade.

Once you know where you stand, you can then start to look at the tools, to use..right! Why throw good money away on courses, before you know yourself....I say that because my Singaporean friend, is down 30K from his CPF, because he can't get it right and he's spent alot of money on these type of courses, one course set him back 1200$ speech that is.... I also learnt the hardway too in the beginning, but today I am full of confidence in what i do, and my portfolio is on track.

One thing i never listen to, is the don't put all your eggs in one basket...I'm sure the reason that saying exsists is because, the majority of investors, and i am suggesting banks and other financial managers, have to spread their risks, because of their limited skills in investing, with other peoples money.


And to be honest, what is one basket..when you have many different companies competing, what I think of is the technology, the cost of R&D, and the eventual consolidation, to maximise profits.

I would only ever spread my risk into different industries, if i was unsure of my predictions and my product knowledge....because I have a target set, and i would not reach my target, if i didn't know what i was doing, to reach the target.

So set a realistic target, monitor, and adjust by swing trading to optimise the profit, for reinvestment...If i let the money sit still for the whole year, it's not working, it needs to work.

Just been looking at the software offering at http://www.t3bsystem.com..
The only thing i see, that is different....is the Keane Lee risk assesment line......which like i discussed above....strengths & weaknesses....

It means the Keane Lee way, of getting rich, is his way, not your way, you could never use his risk assesment line, because each individual has his own mechanism that would kick in, even though his line would tell you to sell. A gambler would probably ignore the signals, and so would anyone with risk aversion.

Although those with a 5 rating would maybe agree, because it makes good sense. Save your hard earned cash!

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Re: USA Recession & Stockmarket

Postby MikeDirnt » Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:07 pm

saint73 wrote:
ksl wrote:The USA recession has been officially declared, and the markets are down as expected..., its been forecast to get worse around middle of the year..and things are not at all looking good for the future..

Whats going to happen by 2010

Its been predicted that oil will sore in price over the 100$ by 2010

Interest rates will continue to go up, and 100's of thousands are expected to lose their homes

Prices of everything will sky rocket.

Shares gilts and cash will lose value too

Source Hemscott. UK

How do we protect, what we have, and also beat the market at the same time.....

I personally feel safe, with my investments, even though the portfolio is down 35%, I've seen my portfolio down 60% in the past, but I do have faith in my companies.

In fact I have been purchasing, because there are some incredible bargains, to be had, and the way to not lose out over the next couple of years, is to monitor your shares until they peak in the next 6 months, and sell off....although do not sell below your cost....if you are not in the black hold tight...But look for some bargains while the market is at its low, and accumilate sound solid growth companies.

One such growth company looks like this....You can see by the splits, that are done each year...this share was at 108 last week...But do not invest in it, without doing your own research..

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=3034.TW&t=5y

My point is, that buying opportunities are many fold, and the markets for the next year are going to be up and down like a yoyo, so the theory of buying in a bear market are sound...one can still make money...while the rest of the portfolio is down....

And just to put a little perspective on the above...it is reported that A.P Moller, The worlds largest shipping line, Maersk shipping, is sacking 3000 workers, becasue container shipments to the USA are down...


Many of my own shares will be peaking, so I will be cashing in, when the opportunity arises...and it will arise at least once in the next 6 months, knowing full well, they are going to drop, much lower in the next year.

Although I must stress again, that one should not panick and sell off...but accumilate..strong cheap companies, with good growth prospects.

We will see growth in special memory, not DDR memory, we will also see growth in LED and LCD TV, Solar Chips, and other energy saving sectors..traditional steel and utilities will continue to rise, as oil rises too, along with freight and shipping....

I remeber saying SGX will hit 11.50, it went on to hit 11.10 and I presume, it is not yet at its lowest yet, I've not yet had a look at the T/A, but it will be like this for a long period, up and down on a weekly merry go round... Ist quarter trading will be weak...although I expect some of the hot sectors, will outperform in the second quarter..before dividend payout!

Do your own research,, this is only my opinion, to minimise my risks in the market place.


Hi KSL,

Do you believe they have investment tools will help you to decide when you buy , when you going to sell?

As happened to listen this seminar but did not sign up...course nt cheap...Ha..ha..

Discover how you can increase your trading success rate at 80%, in just 10 - 15 minutes per day, using a proprietary T3B system Formulated, by a self made multi-millionare- who made his fortunate....

You can view websites:http://www.t3bsystem.com

these get rich formula are very common. if it is really effective, why do they need to sell? shouldnt they make themselves rich and richer? just a thought :roll:
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Re: USA Recession & Stockmarket

Postby saint73 » Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:12 pm

MikeDirnt wrote:
saint73 wrote:
ksl wrote:The USA recession has been officially declared, and the markets are down as expected..., its been forecast to get worse around middle of the year..and things are not at all looking good for the future..

Whats going to happen by 2010

Its been predicted that oil will sore in price over the 100$ by 2010

Interest rates will continue to go up, and 100's of thousands are expected to lose their homes

Prices of everything will sky rocket.

Shares gilts and cash will lose value too

Source Hemscott. UK

How do we protect, what we have, and also beat the market at the same time.....

I personally feel safe, with my investments, even though the portfolio is down 35%, I've seen my portfolio down 60% in the past, but I do have faith in my companies.

In fact I have been purchasing, because there are some incredible bargains, to be had, and the way to not lose out over the next couple of years, is to monitor your shares until they peak in the next 6 months, and sell off....although do not sell below your cost....if you are not in the black hold tight...But look for some bargains while the market is at its low, and accumilate sound solid growth companies.

One such growth company looks like this....You can see by the splits, that are done each year...this share was at 108 last week...But do not invest in it, without doing your own research..

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=3034.TW&t=5y

My point is, that buying opportunities are many fold, and the markets for the next year are going to be up and down like a yoyo, so the theory of buying in a bear market are sound...one can still make money...while the rest of the portfolio is down....

And just to put a little perspective on the above...it is reported that A.P Moller, The worlds largest shipping line, Maersk shipping, is sacking 3000 workers, becasue container shipments to the USA are down...


Many of my own shares will be peaking, so I will be cashing in, when the opportunity arises...and it will arise at least once in the next 6 months, knowing full well, they are going to drop, much lower in the next year.

Although I must stress again, that one should not panick and sell off...but accumilate..strong cheap companies, with good growth prospects.

We will see growth in special memory, not DDR memory, we will also see growth in LED and LCD TV, Solar Chips, and other energy saving sectors..traditional steel and utilities will continue to rise, as oil rises too, along with freight and shipping....

I remeber saying SGX will hit 11.50, it went on to hit 11.10 and I presume, it is not yet at its lowest yet, I've not yet had a look at the T/A, but it will be like this for a long period, up and down on a weekly merry go round... Ist quarter trading will be weak...although I expect some of the hot sectors, will outperform in the second quarter..before dividend payout!

Do your own research,, this is only my opinion, to minimise my risks in the market place.


Hi KSL,

Do you believe they have investment tools will help you to decide when you buy , when you going to sell?

As happened to listen this seminar but did not sign up...course nt cheap...Ha..ha..

Discover how you can increase your trading success rate at 80%, in just 10 - 15 minutes per day, using a proprietary T3B system Formulated, by a self made multi-millionare- who made his fortunate....

You can view websites:http://www.t3bsystem.com

these get rich formula are very common. if it is really effective, why do they need to sell? shouldnt they make themselves rich and richer? just a thought :roll:


:P :P They said juz help other pple to earn enough $$$ freely....
I believe this type of software will help, but nt 100%....only the person who invented this is earning..a lot beside that he make profit in share also...

Dnt know true or nt...Ha..ha..ha... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Luck also play a parts....

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Postby MikeDirnt » Thu, 10 Apr 2008 3:02 am

i heard that the course or seminar on T3B system costs 3k? lol the creators just get richer and richer.
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Postby saint73 » Sun, 13 Apr 2008 5:17 pm

MikeDirnt wrote:i heard that the course or seminar on T3B system costs 3k? lol the creators just get richer and richer.


Ya..U r right.....some pples earn profit already cover the course...
Dnt know true or not...saw video on their presentation...some said resign their jobs in government sector...to join full time... :cry: :cry: :P earn more than stable incomes... :roll:


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