hey SMS, US is the brain child of a lot of innovations, it is also one of the first capitalist countries that has spurred the rest of the world's economy. most of the nobel prize winners are from the universities in the US. so, it's not that bad... except, how should i put it? maybe it is not as peace loving as the Swiss? I don't know, maybe it has to do with the culture and the history...sundaymorningstaple wrote: Oh, nobody is claiming that 'the right to bear arms' is a success story. It's one of the cornerstones of the foundations of our country. Sorry, but I paid my dues (vietnam) and my taxes and it's my country and I still want the ability to defend what's mine. It's why after all these years we are still a democracy and not a dictatorship (at least theoretically anyway - again another discussion). There is a lot wrong with our country I admit. The availability of illegal weapons and ease of obtaining guns I have noted in earlier posts is. Putting criminals back on the streets is. Dumbing down our schools is. But gun ownership by responsible citizens is not one of them.