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Employment Pass APPROVED!!!!!!!

Postby tommy7999 » Tue, 02 Oct 2007 1:27 pm

I search through the forum but can't find any answer. So, I decided to ask here. I need to know some reason for rejection.

A Large MNC in Singapore offer me a job (1 year renewable contract). The Job titles is Financial planning Analyst and with Basic Salary of $2500 which meet the criteria for EP.

However, it was the Recruitment agency that Submit the application for Employment pass for me (So, I am considered as Employee of that recruitment agency but will be contracted to the MNC). Do you think this is why my Employment pass get rejected ? Does indirect Employment not allowed in Singapore ?

I really frustated because the agent from the Recruitment agency tell me that it is very easy to get EP and tell me not need to worry. However, after the EP rejected, she tell me the chance for an appeal is very low. When I ask her why it is being rejected and what to do next, she shout at me saying that I pressure her. She said she also don't know what to do. Then, She said I should look for another job. I really need help. Any advice is welcome
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Re: Employment Pass rejected (need help)

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 02 Oct 2007 3:10 pm

tommy7999 wrote:I search through the forum but can't find any answer. So, I decided to ask here. I need to know some reason for rejection.

A Large MNC in Singapore offer me a job (1 year renewable contract). The Job titles is Financial planning Analyst and with Basic Salary of $2500 which meet the criteria for EP.

However, it was the Recruitment agency that Submit the application for Employment pass for me (So, I am considered as Employee of that recruitment agency but will be contracted to the MNC). Do you think this is why my Employment pass get rejected ? Does indirect Employment not allowed in Singapore ?

I really frustated because the agent from the Recruitment agency tell me that it is very easy to get EP and tell me not need to worry. However, after the EP rejected, she tell me the chance for an appeal is very low. When I ask her why it is being rejected and what to do next, she shout at me saying that I pressure her. She said she also don't know what to do. Then, She said I should look for another job. I really need help. Any advice is welcome


First of all, the fact the it was a temp staffing agency is not a problem (I spent 14 years in the industry and contracted out 100's during that time). Indirect employment is otherwise known as outsourcing and is widely practiced here in Singapore. The fact that you were rejected means it could have been one of several reasons. Anything from no more quota with the agency. A position that is easily to recruit amongst locals. Your experience (or lack of). Nobody is privy to the inner workings and point allocation system used by MOM here so it's only guesswork on our part.

Of course, I doubt very seriously that that the recruiter was directly responsible for your rejection so I find the fact that you shouted at her very troubling as well. Is this how you handle rejection or things when they don't go exactly the way you think they should? It was your credentials and application for and EP. She only filled in the blanks for you and signed the sponsorship annex.

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Postby tommy7999 » Tue, 02 Oct 2007 3:33 pm

Hi

Thanks for the advice. Actually, I think you make a mistake. I did not shout at her but merely ask her a few question about the rejection and what to do next. Then, She raises her voice saying that I give her pressure. Personally, I never blame the agent for my EP rejection. However, a good agent should continue to update his client on EP application and able to provide some advice. For example, the agent want me to call MOM to ask which work pass should I apply and how to apply. She even ask me what is the difference between Employment pass ans S pass. I though an experience agent should know how to do this thing.

Thanks again for your explanation. The agent tell me that she will appeal using the company letter but tell me that the chances are low. She tell me its up to which evaluation officer that will examines the appeal. I don't know why the MOM would not give reason for rejection.

I don't have any work experience but I talk to many different MOM Officer on my job offer, they all tell me go to apply for EP instead of S pass. So, I don't think this is an issue.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 02 Oct 2007 4:49 pm

tommy7999 wrote:I don't know why the MOM would not give reason for rejection.

I don't have any work experience but I talk to many different MOM Officer on my job offer, they all tell me go to apply for EP instead of S pass. So, I don't think this is an issue.


MOM does not give out rejection reasons because it would soon become well known and everyone would tailor their applications to get around the rejection reasons.

I think your lack of work experience is the biggest problem. Why should a foreigner be hired with no work experience when there are 1000's of univeristy greaduates in Singapore with no work experience? Unless you have special skills, knowledge, or talents not available in Singapore (and the offered salary indicates that you do not), your chances are really quite low, no matter what you may have been told.

Example: I would never try to get an EP for someone in an entry level accounting job, since there are large numbers of Singapore graduates that could fill the position and the EP would not be granted.

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Re: Employment Pass rejected (need help)

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 02 Oct 2007 8:53 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote: Your experience (or lack of). Nobody is privy to the inner workings and point allocation system used by MOM here so it's only guesswork on our part.


I can almost assure you that your rejection was basically for the reason above. No Experience. I've never seen anybody get a pass without at least a year or two experience in the area that they were applying for. This is regardless of the Company (MNC or Agency).

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Postby tommy7999 » Wed, 03 Oct 2007 8:26 am

Hi,

I understand that my chances to get an EP was very low. So, I decided to look for another job again while waiting for an appeal.

I have to partly agree with you guys that work experince do take into account. However, i still hope miracle could happen. I guess my brother and my sister were those the lucky one who got no job experience and still got their EP approved.

Thanks for you guys help. Really appreciated.

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Postby tommy7999 » Fri, 05 Oct 2007 8:20 am

Finally my EP pass get approved by MOM !! It is an miracle ! I almost cry out when I check my status today.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 05 Oct 2007 9:26 am

Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus........

Congratulations. Now Get to Work! :P :cool:

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Hi, Tommy 7999

Postby TimLeeTL » Wed, 13 Aug 2008 9:41 pm

Hi, can you share with all of us how did you manage to get this first job? considering you have no prior work experience? Which specific agency? Would highly appreciate your comments and help for all lost foreigners who really like to work here... thk you so much. :)

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Postby DonaldMoney » Fri, 22 Aug 2008 4:56 pm

dear staple, i like the way you put forward things - nice and freindly yet assertive - no wonder you are in this industry. the way you replied to tommy is great (and of course congrats to him for getting the EP).

to share with you, i was previously a SQ cadet pilot with SIA, got an EP right after my uni (after few mths in work banking). got into SQ - flew for many hours and sent to australia for further training. But because of my father's health condition - i decided to leave them and come back to take care of the family, ending myself a banking job since till now (of course returned the EP to MOM and settled the taxes). Worked from an executive and now a VP position with a MNC bank in Malaysia. I am now honored to be offered a position with one of the leading foreign bank in Singapore to head up a department - and am looking forward to it for primarily 3 main reasons: 1. this bank is a wonderful conglomerate one and anyone associated with it - would be an honored (from my point of view). 2. better income earning for my kids back home in Malaysia. 3. Singapore is a great systematic country to stay (not providing any comparison here).

am now in th eprocess of waiting for my EP to be processed -hopefully with God's willing - things will run smoothly.

cheers.


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