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Postby sprite » Wed, 26 Sep 2007 6:59 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
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sundaymorningstaple wrote:anybody else foolish to insist on eating western while in an asian country. Part of the experience of asia is the local food.


Why?

Why can't you just eat what you want? Why is deciding what's best for your family 'foolish'?

Sundaymorningstaple, not all expats are like you. Not everyone decided to live here and immerse themselves completely in the local culture. If you were a career expat, moving every few years, that would be exhausting and a waste of time. What if you are here for two years and you just want some Tim Tams because you're homesick?

Groceries can be very expensive here, which is why long-term residents/expatriates ween themselves off western items if they stay longer. Any good HR person can tell you the formula used to figure this out.


......deciding what's best for your family is foolish? I wish you could actually hear what you have written. You brought them here and then can write something like that? =D>


When I put the word foolish in quotation marks, I was referring to, quoting, what you had said and was simply asking why the groceries I buy for my family, the decisions I make, knowing their schedules, allergies, our budget etc. should be considered 'foolish' by you.


Do you actually read the garbage you write?


Why are you being so rude? Have I been this rude to you? I just disagree. Why are you having so much trouble being civil?

If you were a career expat you would have given up trying to eat like you did at home (wherever that might have been before you started your "expat" career)


No Sunday, that's what YOU would do. Other people handle things differently.

because you would already know that most things wouldn't be available anyway. It's much more exhausting to try to keep finding the little things that make you feel like you shouldn't have become an expat in the first place. It's much harder to find a Tim Tam than it is to find a local snack don't you think?


Aren't you the guy that buys up all the Triscuits?

A career expat also doesn't always move every two years either (don't know where you came up with that BS - did they teach you that in HR101?).


Well some do. I've met some. It is fair to say maybe you have not?

Groceries, if you want to eat imported, are expensive anywhere. #-o If you want to eat what you ate at home, then stay home and don't become an expat. If you are here and want a Tim Tams because you're homesick? Buy it. But don't complain about the cost.


I didn't complain about the cost. Saying things are more expensive is not necessarily a complaint. I'm simply trying to point out that some people's expereinces are different than your's and you shouldn't belittle them for thinking differently.

Simple logic I'd say.


Yes, a one-sided viewpoint often is. It does say Singapore Expats Forum at the top of my page, what does yours say?

Groceries are very cheap here. It's only the individual makes them expensive. I think you've got it bass ackwards. I didn't ween myself off anything. I started eating local the day I arrived. As I've done for every country I've been either living in or working in for close to 30 years. Weening is for babies and some of the newer types of expats like yourself I guess.


I am not new, but it's obvious you are old and set in your ways and not open to discussion. By the way, the OP 's first line said:

I was told before I got here that grocery prices are similar to Oz. Well I don't know the prices exactly back home in Melbourne, but apart from milk and bread, most things seem to be more expensive- am I right about this generally?


She was just looking for a little information, not a condemnation of her lifestyle.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 26 Sep 2007 9:39 pm

Jason's and Tierney's cater primarily to Expats and anybody else foolish to insist on eating western while in an asian country. Part of the experience of asia is the local food.


This was what got in your craw? While I can accept you logic on special food e.g., worrying about peanuts or other intolerances & allergies, I fail to see how Tim Tams fit into all this. Budgets? Fine. If you are in another country that doesn't have them I guess if you've got the budget you can have a private jet fly them in and everything else for that matter - it's all relatively.

As far as the Triscuits comment...... You didn't hear me complain about the price at all did you?

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:A career expat also doesn't always move every two years either (don't know where you came up with that BS - did they teach you that in HR101?).


Well some do. I've met some. It is fair to say maybe you have not?


You wanna reread my post? "doesn't always" what's that mean to you?

Yes, a one-sided viewpoint often is. It does say Singapore Expats Forum at the top of my page, what does yours say?


So you want to keep getting technical huh? Then by rights neither of us should be here as we are not Singapore Expats at all. We are Expats in Singapore. Only Singaporeans can be Singapore Expats. :wink: Now, can we please give it a rest. I know this pleasures you but it does get old. I'm old enough already. And yeah, pretty set in my ways, I've seen thousands of expats come and go over the past quarter of a century some with attitude like you, some with staying power like me and a whole lot somewhere in between. Unfortunately, being an uneducated farmboy with crappy English and worse grammar, tact never became my forte. Most here already know that though......

I'd like to bury the hatchet but I'm afraid you'd like to bury it somewhere in the back of my head..... If I offended it was not done deliberately - ask superglide - we do it without even thinking about it. :wink:

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Postby Rich D » Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:20 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
So you want to keep getting technical huh? Then by rights neither of us should be here as we are not Singapore Expats at all. We are Expats in Singapore. Only Singaporeans can be Singapore Expats. :wink:


Is this a private fight or can anyone join in? I did give some pointers on TLA's (three letter acronyms) that could be used to define expatriate status better. I only got 7 replies so I guess I should have shown some cleavage to get more response.

Back on topic - I am getting my Singapore visitors to bring me good old British Crosse and Blackwell Branston pickle whenever they come here! Not quite on topic but I needed to get a new chrome bumper for my first car in Singapore which was an MGBGT. Cost (the insurance company) a fortune to ship it over from a specialist in Sussex, England and when we unwrapped there was a sticker on it that read "Made in Taiwan"!
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:51 pm

Rich,

I had similar surprises when I rebuilt my "last" car here (old '66 Mini Cooper MkI with the '997cc engine - 400+ only). Jumping right in sure thing. I got a another pair of bright yellow wellies for you to wear courtesy PCK!

Cleavage? AGAIN! :-#

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Postby Plavt » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:19 am

Rich D wrote: when we unwrapped there was a sticker on it that read "Made in Taiwan"!


I had to laugh at that but really Rich D wouldn't you have got an even bigger shock if it had read 'Made in England?'.

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Postby Rich D » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 3:36 am

Plavt wrote:
I had to laugh at that but really Rich D wouldn't you have got an even bigger shock if it had read 'Made in England?'.


Sad but true Plavt, but the blood sweat and tears that went into it were all British. Me and a Geordie senior inspector of tunnel works changed the clutch in the car park of LTA's office off Hampshire Road. Smashing fellah and a great mechanic but all his stories used to start with "I once had a fight with this bloke............"

Ah, SMS - Mini Coopers, Michael Caine, The Italian Job. "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"

Er, what was it we were talking about again???????????
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Postby huggybear » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 8:55 am

we were talking about you showing us some (hairy) clevage.

i miss:
--macaroni and cheese
--a REAL steak (not morton's or lawry's)
--baked potatotes where you don't taste any potato but a mouthful of sour cream and cheese and bacon
--not having to peel shrimp
--not being charged 50 cents for the wet nap that is placed at the table
--good service at a restaurant
--a taxi driver who knows where they're going (i would just say "nine west" in nyc and the driver would know exactly where to go)
--a real hot dog
--pizza by the slice that's good every 50 feet
--tacos / mexican food
--restaurants open at all hours of the night
--fall time going to the cider mill for apple cider and fresh doughnuts and caramel apples
--Frankies (or kati rolls for the nyc here)
--a real good burger
--crab cakes
--being able to find a cab when i actually needed one and not trying to haggle with a shift change driver.
--good middle eastern food like real hummus, grape leaves, shwarma(arab st is pretty bad)
--classic american diner with cheap breakfast and greasy hash browns (feta cheese omelette with onion)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 9:28 am

Huggy, we all miss some things. But obviously the solution is to not become an expat if they mean that much. I find that when I go back to the US I appreciate some things more that I used to just take for granted.

The biggest one you have already alluded to:

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These were caught about 100' away from my kitchen table off the end of my dock during one morning.

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Postby huggybear » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25 am

you're absolutely correct SMS. i knew i would miss those places...

Personally when i want some good meat western style i'll go to Espirto Santo. But then again if you leave your home and want to buy your home products at the same prices .... well i guess you've never really traveled abroad. i forgot i miss a good salad and NY deli also. haha. theer's also a nice deli next to the cellar door on bukit timah past cornation plaza that has good jams, cheese, bread, etc

for me generally i'm much more inclined to go out of my way to try a new hamburger place then to try the new kway teow place. doesn't mean i won't travel to AMK for butter crab but i'll crawl the gobi desert if i knew a good ole american fashion hamburger was waiting for me (and a car to drive me home in air conditioned comfort).

i tend to do a mix of shopping ... Cold Storage, Carrefour, Tekka etc...mixing and matching. along the way you discover new things that you like (i.e. for me aussie pies and sausage rolls, chili / butter crab, kway teow, nasi briyani) .... but there are a group of expats that hate the local food and don't like anything new.

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Postby Superglide » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:52 pm

For 50 bucks I will tell you guys where to get all the stuff you're missing.

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Postby sprite » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 4:34 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote: I'd like to bury the hatchet but I'm afraid you'd like to bury it somewhere in the back of my head.


Now you'd like to bury the hatchet after calling my post garbage? OK, I see. Sure. Let's considered the matter done and buried.


sundaymorningstaple wrote:If I offended it was not done deliberately - ask superglide - we do it without even thinking about it. :wink:


Well then I suggest you start thinking about it and stop venting at people for expressing a different viewpoint. It's a little late in the game for the 'Gosh, I'm just a poor farm boy Ma'am' routine.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:30 pm

huggy,

I scour the island trying to find chilli crab that is better than the wife's (still haven't done) and good oyster omelettes. I also like good kway teow but must have fresh cockles. Also will travel for good mee siam or laska. Western food? Now days, to me over priced and over rated. Except for Botak Jones that is. He's got some damn good spicy italian sausages and the prices are right on. Course there is not the typical ambience (well it is typical - kopi tiam) I never cared about ambience though. You can't eat that.

He's got five locations around the island now.

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Postby huggybear » Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:07 am

OK i'll just bring this up since maybe it's on the minds of others.

Sprite.

you're being quite the donkey.

I'm surprised you can't see the fallacy in your arguments. Are you only here to pick fights with people calling them a jack a$$? or are you here to only be condescending by making fun of people's origins?

The problem with your original post is that you have a (potential) Australian that wants to buy an Australian product.
This person is complaining of the cost of this oz product (tim tams).

do you not see how it's kind of naive to move to another country and expect the cost of an imported product to cost the same as the domestically produced product in the place you came from?

There is the cost of shipping and packaging and there is the added cost of any import tariffs.

Thus it is a bit rich to move here from oz and expect OZ products to cost the same here as in australia....

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 28 Sep 2007 2:12 pm

huggy, just forget it. I had a reply last night and in the end deleted it as I've just decided to consider the source just wasn't worth the effort. We get 'em on here occasionally. After toying with them for a while, I just tend to ignore them and eventually they go away.

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Postby ozchick » Tue, 02 Oct 2007 9:20 pm

Dear oh dear- I didn't mean for poeple to get so upset following my OP !
and- to be honest- I'm none the wiser. My OP referred to the prices of normal staples like cheese, milk, bread, meat fish etc. I'D BEEN TOLD THAT THESE ARE THE SAME PRICE AS BACK HOME-
BUT I THINK THEY'RE NOT AND I UNDERSTAND WHY NOT- JUST A LITLLE TINY BIT DISAPPOINTED- (SIGHS LOUDLY AND GOES TO BED DREAMING OF RUMP STEAK IN THE SHOPPING TROLLEY)
So, starting tomorrow, I'll just try various outlets for a few'can't do without things', eat lots of veg and local food (no comment was the reply) but until then I'll hoe into my expensive Singapore-bought cheese and crappy crackers ......(adds Arnott's SAVOYS to the dream) zzzz....
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