common law spouse of a PR - a pass for me ?

sourisso · Post by **sourisso** » Wed, 12 Sep 2007 9:28 pm

change of plan... my common law spouse was holding a EP so i tought of applying for a LTSVP.

but her application for PR just has been approved.

so she gonna "lose" her EP soon (not her job of course) and get her PR pass.

what about me ? can i still get a pass sponsored by her now, as the common law spouse of a PR ? wich one ?

thank you

Post by **jpatokal** » Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:23 pm

You can still get LTSVP. You could even attempt to get PR, but that's harder (not sure they give it unless you're married?) and, as a guy, you'd theoretically have to do national service.

sourisso · Post by **sourisso** » Thu, 13 Sep 2007 9:03 am

nice, i can still get LTSVP

is it the same form to fill as when you have EP ? because i see they ask for EP details on the MOM website form.
what about the lenght of the pass, is it fixed ? do i have to ask for a special desired lenght, or do they just give me the lenght of their choice ?

yeah i couldnt get PR i guess as long as we are not married.

thx

sourisso · Post by **sourisso** » Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:02 pm

can someone just tell me one thing , since my gf (malaysian) just turned PR, should we go MOM or ICA to apply for LTSVP for me ?

do i have a choice and if so, is there a difference such as ICA would consider MY "merits" while MOM would focus on my gf's company sponsoring and might give a longer visa ?

thx !

Post by **jpatokal** » Fri, 14 Sep 2007 7:21 pm

sourisso wrote:can someone just tell me one thing , since my gf (malaysian) just turned PR, should we go MOM or ICA to apply for LTSVP for me ?

As far as I understand (which isn't very far), MOM deals with employment passes, ICA deals with PR/citizens. As your gf is now PR, you have to apply for your LTSVP at ICA:

http://app.ica.gov.sg/serv_visitor/soci ... asp#spouse

I don't see anything about common-law spouses on that page though...

sourisso · Post by **sourisso** » Sat, 15 Sep 2007 6:40 pm

contacted MOM, since she turned PR and no more EP, got to deal with ICA indeed.

sourisso · Post by **sourisso** » Fri, 19 Oct 2007 5:57 pm

so, ICA doesn't want to give a LTSVP for me even if im common law spouse of a PR with a letter from embassy stating it.

all right, the 'H' one is for married couples.

however, its not the only LTSVP pass, (i tought there was only one actually when i left ICA, then i read the note given), and there is the 'D' one, 'social visitor seeking employment in singapore", with a sponsor needed.

anyone knows how do this one works ? i mean, time of processing, chances of getting it...

my common law spouse is PR, so she can sponsor me, as she is working here she can support me.

but is it worth trying if my EPEC app got rejected ? Is this one different ?
More chances to get it since there is a sponsor ?
I hold a Law Degree and im french.
Well, i'll go ICA tomorrow and see. but thanks for any info..

ksl · Post by **ksl** » Sat, 20 Oct 2007 4:01 am

sourisso wrote:so, ICA doesn't want to give a LTSVP for me even if im common law spouse of a PR with a letter from embassy stating it.

all right, the 'H' one is for married couples.

however, its not the only LTSVP pass, (i tought there was only one actually when i left ICA, then i read the note given), and there is the 'D' one, 'social visitor seeking employment in singapore", with a sponsor needed.

anyone knows how do this one works ? i mean, time of processing, chances of getting it...

my common law spouse is PR, so she can sponsor me, as she is working here she can support me.

but is it worth trying if my EPEC app got rejected ? Is this one different ?
More chances to get it since there is a sponsor ?
I hold a Law Degree and im french.
Well, i'll go ICA tomorrow and see. but thanks for any info..

It's my opinion you don't stand much chance of any pass, unless you can document that you have been living together for at least 2 years, I doubt very much that you have, because normally for a common law spouse, on EP, the other would have a dependants pass, if you didn't have the dependants pass, ICA will put two and two together, and think you have only been living together for the purpose of applying for a pass, and /or

Singapore only recognises commonlaw spouses, that lived together before arriving in Singapore, if thats the case, I believe it is possible, that you have to document those facts, an Embassy declaration would not cut it, without facts and a sworn legal affidavit. You can swing it, but its tough, you need to gather all the evidence in your favour, and if she can financially sponsor you, that is also a plus.

But the legal affidavit is important too a must have, because ICA at present don't believe you two, are they going to ignore the affidavit, someones job could be in the balance, to do that!

There is nothing to fear at the ICA, they are just the counter clerks, collecting the data, don't be afraid, to ask them for suggestions, many have been in the same shoes.

sourisso · Post by **sourisso** » Sat, 20 Oct 2007 7:46 am

dependant pass is for those who have EP and my fiancee have PR, not EP.

i went ICA, asked for the LTSVP based on the relationship, she show me the doc, "married couple", im not married, point, nothing for me to say.

i was talking about a pass wich is not based on the relation, just a normal pass with a sponsor. the D one.

im going ICA this morning

ksl · Post by **ksl** » Sat, 20 Oct 2007 2:03 pm

sourisso wrote:dependant pass is for those who have EP and my fiancee have PR, not EP.

i went ICA, asked for the LTSVP based on the relationship, she show me the doc, "married couple", im not married, point, nothing for me to say.

i was talking about a pass wich is not based on the relation, just a normal pass with a sponsor. the D one.

im going ICA this morning

dependant pass is for those who have EP and my fiancee have PR, not EP

I am not disagreeing, I am just explaining, that it is obvious you have not lived together long enough to qualify for common law spouse status, because you would have had a dependant pass, before your spouse received the PR, So therefore you do not qualify for any pass after she gets PR.

I think if you do a search on the forum, you may find some that have recived LTSVP on common law grounds, (Not legally married) although the minimum period, of several years relationship is required, with an affidavit for the qualifying period.

Your girlfriend will find it difficult to sponsor you, because you are not a dependant, under the terms of common law dependant status. even though she is well paid, doesn't make it any easier, the ICA look at your reasons for wanting to be here, (Is there a need for your qulaification here in Singapore)

Found this link for you http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/ft ... 73bd6a46c8 Maybe it can help you out!

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