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Blu-ray ahead of HD DVD (for now)

Postby Dobski » Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:22 pm


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Postby Splatted » Fri, 07 Sep 2007 7:56 am

As the article pointed it, it really depends on what perspective you choose to follow.

Blue-ray sales are driven purely by game console sales, and many people buying PS3's are not happy having to fork out the extra $$ because of it.

As stand-alone players (non game console) HD dvd outsells blue-ray by 4:1 in Europe.

This commentary has an interesting view on the format war and about the artificially inflated sales of blue-ray disks:

http://www.doom9.net/no_choice.htm

It is biased in favour of HD DVD, but it's food-for-thought.

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Postby wiedi » Tue, 18 Sep 2007 8:41 am

5 years from now blue ray will be where the beta system is....

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Postby bigfilsing » Tue, 18 Sep 2007 9:51 am

There may well be a option for both to survive. DOes it have to be a contest where one dies???

With there being still so little HD content out there does it matter for the moment.
They are both just mass storage devices ( called HD only because they have the option to store a HD movie + audio)
Dont see what the big deal is really. Very soon you'll be downloading movies anyway, straight onto your media player with a massive hard disk so the whole capacity issue isn't such a big deal.

There also H264 mpeg encoding making HD files even smaller.
This whole Blu ray / HD thing is just the latest fad. go with it by all means but dont spending too much on it.

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Postby ksl » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:10 am

Splatted wrote:As the article pointed it, it really depends on what perspective you choose to follow.

Blue-ray sales are driven purely by game console sales, and many people buying PS3's are not happy having to fork out the extra $$ because of it.

As stand-alone players (non game console) HD dvd outsells blue-ray by 4:1 in Europe.

This commentary has an interesting view on the format war and about the artificially inflated sales of blue-ray disks:

http://www.doom9.net/no_choice.htm

It is biased in favour of HD DVD, but it's food-for-thought.


The format war is more or less decided by Taiwan, manufacturers, and it's them that tool up for it, Blue-Ray is much cheaper to produce! Although, those that can afford the HD for films, will probably go it alone, for only a short while, but I don't believe it will last, becuase HD is in fact more expensive to make.

So it was pretty obviouse last year, to those that make them, that's why they made the statement!

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Postby Splatted » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 6:26 am

I think it's already decided, KSL.

Toshiba, the inventor of HD DVD is throwing in the towel after yet another distributor, Walmart, decided not to stock their format of movies.

As an aside, just to correct something you mentioned, HD DVD was cheaper to make than Blue-ray. It was also a better product in terms of data safety, as the recording layers were deeper within the disk, hence any scratches were less likely to cause problems. Blue-ray's recording layers are more closer to the surface, which is why that protective coating is needed on all their disks, making the product a more expensive one overall.

Anyway, it's pretty much over now. Blue-ray won

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Postby durain » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 7:37 am

i think the battle was won when PS3 price came tumbling down. most of my colleagues who bought xbox but didnt go for the HD DVD because of cost, now ditched the xbox and went PS3 because of the blu-ray player.

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Postby ksl » Mon, 18 Feb 2008 2:35 pm

Splatted wrote:I think it's already decided, KSL.

Toshiba, the inventor of HD DVD is throwing in the towel after yet another distributor, Walmart, decided not to stock their format of movies.

As an aside, just to correct something you mentioned, HD DVD was cheaper to make than Blue-ray. It was also a better product in terms of data safety, as the recording layers were deeper within the disk, hence any scratches were less likely to cause problems. Blue-ray's recording layers are more closer to the surface, which is why that protective coating is needed on all their disks, making the product a more expensive one overall.

Anyway, it's pretty much over now. Blue-ray won


As an aside, just to correct something you mentioned, HD DVD was cheaper to make than Blue-ray. It was also a better product in terms of data safety, as the recording layers were deeper within the disk, hence any scratches were less likely to cause problems.

With ref: to costs, it may have been proaganda the manufacturers put out at the time, I guess many aspects are taken into consideration, although from I commonsense point of view, a manufacturer, isn't going to produce, anything too perfect, they count on profit margins and volume sales...

The HD is the same as a normal DVD in depth quality according to wikipedia....and blue ray have a new scratch resistant protector, but with blue-ray being a new technolgy to HD Discs, I guess the re-tooling had already been done, by the majority of manufacturers, where HD is much simpler to convert the DVD disc.

So i guess, that's been the main point all along, with only a couple of brand names having HD, and the majority of manufacturers pumping out Blue-ray...

It was last year, when i read the article from Taiwan, it appeared all Taiwanese, that had started blue ray production, would stick with Blue ray, V's a couple of brand names doing HD. Cost was probably propaganda at the time..because they didn't really know...today I think there is very little difference in cost.

One thing for sure, they are not going to sell anything that, lasts very long, otherwise, there are no repeat sales!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison ... sc_formats

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Postby rihhana_taylor » Thu, 21 Feb 2008 1:00 am

What made us even more eager this time around to assess Warner's latest Blu-ray batch is that in only the few short weeks since our first head-to-head test drive, the stakes have been raised even higher for both formats, and not a week seems to go by without a major new development that ups the ante. The developing controversy over VC-1 and MPEG-2 has now turned into full-on battle of the dueling codecs, one few saw coming just a few months ago. Firmware upgrades for the first-gen HD DVD players have redefined how we think about consumer electronics hardware, and introduced a slew of new hardware features in a mere matter of weeks. And there are also a bevy of new audio options coming to Blu-ray and HD DVD, including the much-anticipated Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio lossless formats.

All these new developments have inflamed the passions of the early adopters, while intensifying the worries of the backers behind both next-gen formats -- not to mention racketing up the pressure on folks like us to deliver critical assessments of each format's plusses and minuses, without taking sides. So when I sat down to compare Warner's latest Blu-ray titles to their HD DVD counterparts, I knew I had to tweak our review methodology in light of so many recent developments.


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