Plastic surgery in Thailand (Bangkok / Hatyai)

[changeinme]

hi gabs i've sent you a photo. you can see the scars and the concerns i have with my surgery. i'm absolutely shattered with the results. i look like a freak with my eyes closed and i just sent nara and email addressing my concerns. the epi scars are still scabs of dried blood. i'm so tempted to pick on it but i don't want a scar permanently as repercussions. I've ordered Kelo-cote online and waiting for it to arrive. Hopelessly waiting, praying and wanting this nightmare to be over and for it to go away.

here's my email to nara.

I performed my double eyelid surgery and epicanthoplasty with you on
Saturday the 14th. I have a few concerns with the procedure. My double
eyelid creases seem too high for my face and it looks really unnatural and
my eyelids now cannot close fully when I shut my eyes especially with the
left eyelid. It seems as though too much skin is removed causing my upper
eyelids to retract and also when I close my eyes the incision line is not
smooth like before there is a slight fold above my incision line. I have
attached a photo can you please give me your advise if I might need another
revision?

[gabs]

hi gabs i've sent you a photo. you can see the scars and the concerns i have with my surgery. i'm absolutely shattered with the results. i look like a freak with my eyes closed and i just sent nara and email addressing my concerns. the epi scars are still scabs of dried blood. i'm so tempted to pick on it but i don't want a scar permanently as repercussions. I've ordered Kelo-cote online and waiting for it to arrive. Hopelessly waiting, praying and wanting this nightmare to be over and for it to go away.

here's my email to nara.

I performed my double eyelid surgery and epicanthoplasty with you on
Saturday the 14th. I have a few concerns with the procedure. My double
eyelid creases seem too high for my face and it looks really unnatural and
my eyelids now cannot close fully when I shut my eyes especially with the
left eyelid. It seems as though too much skin is removed causing my upper
eyelids to retract and also when I close my eyes the incision line is not
smooth like before there is a slight fold above my incision line. I have
attached a photo can you please give me your advise if I might need another
revision?

Goodness.. when you mentioned an obvious scar, it wouldn't be what I imagined in your pic. The epi scar looks kind of thick, kind of obvious esp when you shut your eyes.. I fully understand your concerns in regards to this matter. I would be extremely worried too. Perhaps the scar ease gel would help in way, praying for you too. Perhaps you might want to wait for another week for more swelling to subside, it might be better then, praying hard..

Perhaps you might want to post your pic here? People may come forward to share, maybe what you are experiencing could be normal..

[EnvyMe]

I don't know. changeinme, you can ignore my post if you want to but, we have a lot of questions in mind when we read about your post.

Questions emerged even before you mentioned about Dr Arthur.

You can prove the photos, well, if you're anyone that advertise for Arthur, you can get the photographs from any of the patient of Arthur who did eyelid.

Well, of course this is my crazy wild guess but can't help it to put it this way. It's fine for you to not convince us if you feel offended somewhat but your post had nothing good about Nara and only Arthur.

I don't know for your case but mine, I had 1 lipo surgery done at the hour just before the clinic closed. When I'm done with my surgery, it's about 11.15pm already. I was freezing cold throughout. I was shivering before getting down the bed when the surgery is done.

And all my lipo surgery, the most lasted about 1hour. I don't think your eyelid + lips need to be done in 3 hours and worst still, Dr Nara taking a break? With what? Eat, drink, smoke, toilet after cutting your flesh apart? And then? Staple your wound to stop the bleeding then go have the break your mentioned and come back, take out the staple and continue ?

May I ask where did your mum n bro see Dr Nara doing while he was taking his break? Sitting at the front desk eating or?

I hardly or shall I say never seen Dr Nara outside the consultation room or surgical room while sitting at the front desk waiting. Even my boyfriend who was waiting outside.

So can you please give me the idea??

Hmm, while in the surgery, they did had a light chat but I did not hear any laughters from Dr Nara, he was the quiet one most of the time. Conversation was mostly done by the nurses standing aside.

Lastly, how much did Dr arthur charge you for your lipo, how many areas he is going to do for you since you said you're doing 9~

Well, you pretty understand how the areas are divided huh.. 9 areas.. Hmm.. which 9 areas?

[changeinme]

dear EnvyMe, dealing with cosmetic surgery recovery and failed expectations is difficult enough and i'm on here providing review and seeking support. i'm honestly wondering why i should be wasting my time defending my authenticity to people like you. i'm worried about my recovery and i've posted a question on realself.com to seek answers. here's the link go and have a look at the photos i've so called made up
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http://www.realself.com/question/Eyelid ... se-eyelids

look at my recovery and see if you can comprehend why i have nothing good to say about nara at this stage. maybe his followup willl change my mind or maybe this is just normal with every recovery but i highly doubt so as this is not my first double eyelid procedure.

i said i wanted to perform 9 areas with nara considering areas in which i've selected without a proper consulation through email. i originally booked in 1. whole abdomen (they classed as 1 area) 2. waist 3. flanks/love handles 4. buttocks 5. arms 6. upper back 7. inner thighs 8. outer thighs 9. facial . But after consulting with arthur they advised full body was 16 areas and mentioned that body should be looked at circumferentially which is something i've opted to do.

as with my surgery, i was on the surgical bed and of course knocked out. how am i meant to know where in the world he took his break. maybe he took it in the back room, maybe he was in his consultation room. how am i to know? my mother and brother came back into the clinic about an hour later and his wife said doctor is taking a break. i have 2 surgeries in 1 and a typical 1.5 hour surgery took double the time. perhaps he took a break in between. how am i to know what he did? surgery started at 730 ended at a little after 11.30.

if i was someone posing as arthurs business i doubt i'd waste my time with authenticity. did you want to perhap give me a ring to confirm my identity? or meet up with me to see my surgical scars? i live in macpherson area if you are willing i'm more than happy to meet with you. so how about it? before you go around pointing fingers, perhaps you guys need to take a step back and consider. i don't know why i'm doing this just to prove myself to ignorant people such as yourself but if you want just pm me your email and i will send you a photo of us in the clinic.

[angelfern]

Ok, everything aside first. Can empathise with your frustration regarding your eyes. Now it's very swollen so maybe left eye cannot close properly. Did you take sineech or arnica montana to reduce the bruising & swelling?

Don't panic & get depressed, perhaps you want to consult a PS surgeon here for a piece of mind. When I did epi here, I went back frequently for follow up, he will inject something (steriod?) to reduce the bumps & prevent keloids for the epi scar.

And do not be itchy hand & dig out the scabs.

[EnvyMe]

dear EnvyMe, dealing with cosmetic surgery recovery and failed expectations is difficult enough and i'm on here providing review and seeking support. i'm honestly wondering why i should be wasting my time defending my authenticity to people like you. i'm worried about my recovery and i've posted a question on realself.com to seek answers. here's the link go and have a look at the photos i've so called made up
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http://www.realself.com/question/Eyelid ... se-eyelids

look at my recovery and see if you can comprehend why i have nothing good to say about nara at this stage. maybe his followup willl change my mind or maybe this is just normal with every recovery but i highly doubt so as this is not my first double eyelid procedure.

i said i wanted to perform 9 areas with nara considering areas in which i've selected without a proper consulation through email. i originally booked in 1. whole abdomen (they classed as 1 area) 2. waist 3. flanks/love handles 4. buttocks 5. arms 6. upper back 7. inner thighs 8. outer thighs 9. facial . But after consulting with arthur they advised full body was 16 areas and mentioned that body should be looked at circumferentially which is something i've opted to do.

as with my surgery, i was on the surgical bed and of course knocked out. how am i meant to know where in the world he took his break. maybe he took it in the back room, maybe he was in his consultation room. how am i to know? my mother and brother came back into the clinic about an hour later and his wife said doctor is taking a break. i have 2 surgeries in 1 and a typical 1.5 hour surgery took double the time. perhaps he took a break in between. how am i to know what he did? surgery started at 730 ended at a little after 11.30.

if i was someone posing as arthurs business i doubt i'd waste my time with authenticity. did you want to perhap give me a ring to confirm my identity? or meet up with me to see my surgical scars? i live in macpherson area if you are willing i'm more than happy to meet with you. so how about it? before you go around pointing fingers, perhaps you guys need to take a step back and consider. i don't know why i'm doing this just to prove myself to ignorant people such as yourself but if you want just pm me your email and i will send you a photo of us in the clinic.

I've mentioned earlier you can totally ignore my post. I just couldn't myself to suspect and ask further questions all thanks to the past "back-fired" by arthur's advertiser so on n so forth. Too much of them that make us suspicious on issue touching on arthur.

We just want to make sure everything is authentic as we are one of them who need these reviews.

I apologised if you're offended by me.

Lastly, smooth recovery.

[EnvyMe]

changeinme, by the way how many areas you gonna do with arthur and how much is he charging you.

[changeinme]

Ok, everything aside first. Can empathise with your frustration regarding your eyes. Now it's very swollen so maybe left eye cannot close properly. Did you take sineech or arnica montana to reduce the bruising & swelling?

Don't panic & get depressed, perhaps you want to consult a PS surgeon here for a piece of mind. When I did epi here, I went back frequently for follow up, he will inject something (steriod?) to reduce the bumps & prevent keloids for the epi scar.

And do not be itchy hand & dig out the scabs.

hi angelfern yeah i got the vitamedical healing kit from makemeheal.com it includes post and pre op meds with arnica and bromelain quercetin. the swelling has gone down heaps. i had bruising on my lower lid which was quite horrible for the first couple of days but its slowly going away.

i've booked in an appointment with singapore eye centre's opthamologist for next thursday. i'll have to go in for an assessment. hopefully she can address my corcerns to swelling and a problem with scar tissue. hopefully i wouldn't have to go for a revision i would be devastated if so. i mean we have to wait at least 6 months before going through with it and after this nightmare i really doubt i'll be considering anymore surgery on my eye area.

anyone has any advice on this?

[changeinme]

changeinme, by the way how many areas you gonna do with arthur and how much is he charging you.

EnvyMe, I was planning to do 5 areas (mid body) and he quoted $650 per area. At this stage i dont know if i will go through with it. My eyes look terrible. I don't know if I am ready for another surgery nightmare if anything goes wrong again.

[Miffy_2452]

Dear all,

Dr. Nara just replied me that he actually does autologous rhinoplasty too for 12,000 Baht. Any comments on this? Do you think he'll be doing this as good as his normal procedure with implants?

[aadvark]

i'm not sure if nara is trying to catch up with the times, but i wld be hesitant to be the first few to let a doc try new ops on me, when he has had not enough experience yet with that new op...

a good cook might not bake as well as he cooks, if u catch my analogy

anyway, changeinme, i replied your PM, i hope it's due to swelling, because swelling does occur differently in different ppl, and even on diff parts of the body... my right lid was much more swollen than my left lid when i did it

do take more supplements, wun recommend applying much on the scar, think eating supplements wld interfere less with the scarring... and from experience, u need to give it 2-3 weeks for the swelling to go away b4 u can properly assess the result

[vivilen81]

To everyone in the forum becoz of Dr Nara

Im nt active in the forum recently, hv been missing out several pms frm ppl asking me to share my experience wif Dr. Nara.

I've run out of things to share, bt nw i hv something important to tell.

Im in hatyai nw, waiting to do my chin implant 20th evening. As i mentioned in my previous posts, i wanted to hv nose revision as well, my glasses kept slipping down after my 1st rhino, i tot my new bridge is nt high enuff to hold my glasses, my optician whom changes my glasses 3 times said the same thing.

So i insisted to hv my revision despite all the good comments received frm my frenz n family.... went to visit Dr Nara yesterday (19th) after my laser teeth whitening, waited for nearly an hr be4 i could get to see him ( he's busy n i came a day earlier ).

Our conversation lasted for abt 30 mins, he said that my nose is perfect for my face, any higher or lower will make me worse. He suggested me to change my optician and is more than willing to recommend his optometrist friend to me. Dr Nara oso amusingly demostrated hw he could operate on his patients wearing his pair of 'anti-slipping' glasses!


Trying hard not make this post like an essay, I will nw list the important points in our conversation.

1) Always look for a plastic surgeon with a credential - Board Of Plastic Surgery. This shows that the surgeon is a board certified in plastic surgery. Other plastic surgeons in thailand / hatyai with only - Board Of General Surgery. Is certainly not a qualified plastic surgeon.

2) The S shaped implant is actually an L shaped implant without the tip! It is similiar to the I shaped implant. Dr Nara had shown me the so-called S shaped implants that he removed frm his patients in revisions.

3) Epicanthoplasty scar will fade over time, bt a little scarring is still there. Surgeons who claim epi can be done without leaving a scar is not being honest to their patients... I received a anonymous email telling me tat the famous clinic in korea ruin her life.

4) Dr Nara knows his stuff, he is not a newbie in epicanthoplasty and he knew hw to perform tiplasty as well, he juz doesnt tink it is necessary to add it in his list. ( I oso tot he is a newbie in epi at first ).

5) Dr Nara can keep his charges low becoz he operates his own clinic, it is meant to serve thai pple in the first place, hatyai living standards allowed him to charge much lesser than others.

6) He never bother to explain himself mainly becoz he is too busy and he do not wish to explain to ppl who hv unrealistic expectations. He told me tat he had a patient who came in requested for Angelina Jolie eyes.

Dr Nara is willing to explain and answer my questions as he tink tat i can understanding his point of view - create and look your best based on wat you are borned with and not asking for the mission impossible. Some surgeons is misleading their patients to believe in wat they promised.

Trust his professionalism. Dr Nara believes his good works will be spread by word of mouth, not advertising or badmouthing other surgeons. So i told him since he cant be bothered to defend himself then i will clarify for him. I try not to mention names, anyway regulars wld know whom im refering to....


P.S - I took a picture of him, bt he doesnt want his picture posted.

[aadvark]

To everyone in the forum becoz of Dr Nara

Im nt active in the forum recently, hv been missing out several pms frm ppl asking me to share my experience wif Dr. Nara.

I've run out of things to share, bt nw i hv something important to tell.

Im in hatyai nw, waiting to do my chin implant 20th evening. As i mentioned in my previous posts, i wanted to hv nose revision as well, my glasses kept slipping down after my 1st rhino, i tot my new bridge is nt high enuff to hold my glasses, my optician whom changes my glasses 3 times said the same thing.

So i insisted to hv my revision despite all the good comments received frm my frenz n family.... went to visit Dr Nara yesterday (19th) after my laser teeth whitening, waited for nearly an hr be4 i could get to see him ( he's busy n i came a day earlier ).

Our conversation lasted for abt 30 mins, he said that my nose is perfect for my face, any higher or lower will make me worse. He suggested me to change my optician and is more than willing to recommend his optometrist friend to me. Dr Nara oso amusingly demostrated hw he could operate on his patients wearing his pair of 'anti-slipping' glasses!


Trying hard not make this post like an essay, I will nw list the important points in our conversation.

1) Always look for a plastic surgeon with a credential - Board Of Plastic Surgery. This shows that the surgeon is a board certified in plastic surgery. Other plastic surgeons in thailand / hatyai with only - Board Of General Surgery. Is certainly not a qualified plastic surgeon.

2) The S shaped implant is actually an L shaped implant without the tip! It is similiar to the I shaped implant. Dr Nara had shown me the so-called S shaped implants that he removed frm his patients in revisions.

3) Epicanthoplasty scar will fade over time, bt a little scarring is still there. Surgeons who claim epi can be done without leaving a scar is not being honest to their patients... I received a anonymous email telling me tat the famous clinic in korea ruin her life.

4) Dr Nara knows his stuff, he is not a newbie in epicanthoplasty and he knew hw to perform tiplasty as well, he juz doesnt tink it is necessary to add it in his list. ( I oso tot he is a newbie in epi at first ).

5) Dr Nara can keep his charges low becoz he operates his own clinic, it is meant to serve thai pple in the first place, hatyai living standards allowed him to charge much lesser than others.

6) He never bother to explain himself mainly becoz he is too busy and he do not wish to explain to ppl who hv unrealistic expectations. He told me tat he had a patient who came in requested for Angelina Jolie eyes.

Dr Nara is willing to explain and answer my questions as he tink tat i can understanding his point of view - create and look your best based on wat you are borned with and not asking for the mission impossible. Some surgeons is misleading their patients to believe in wat they promised.

Trust his professionalism. Dr Nara believes his good works will be spread by word of mouth, not advertising or badmouthing other surgeons. So i told him since he cant be bothered to defend himself then i will clarify for him. I try not to mention names, anyway regulars wld know whom im refering to....


P.S - I took a picture of him, bt he doesnt want his picture posted.

i would agree on his professionalism, but it is also true that he doesn't do epi as often as all his other ops, so i wld still consider him to be a newbie for now, until he has racked up his fair share of numbers in epi ops

[jamie82]

i've booked in an appointment with singapore eye centre's opthamologist for next thursday. i'll have to go in for an assessment. hopefully she can address my corcerns to swelling and a problem with scar tissue. hopefully i wouldn't have to go for a revision i would be devastated if so. i mean we have to wait at least 6 months before going through with it and after this nightmare i really doubt i'll be considering anymore surgery on my eye area.

anyone has any advice on this?

I think you're doing the right thing to see an eye doctor - revision is tricky and its best to see a specialist for it. I really feel for you.

Its difficult to tell at the moment but if the problems of closing your eye are not due to swelling - then it might be some levtator muscle thing? The medical term for it I think is upper eyelid scleral show - its part of a complication from anything to eyelid surgery like in your case to even botox accidentally being injected into your eyelid muscle.

In most cases its due to early post surgical swelling.

Like here you can read doctor's responses.. this person's problems was 6 weeks in.
http://www.realself.com/question/eyelid ... haroplasty

The best thing to assure your fears is to see an eye specialist. The national eye center has great doctors but I tend to find national eye center rather rushed (the load of patients is really too high since they're short of manpower - one of their top doctors also passed away in an accident recently) and the appointments spaced too far away.

I think having been what you been through you might want something alot more thorough.

Anyways, rather than to ramble further I'd say there is this doc I saw before to remove a cyst (not for eyelid stuff though) and he used to be from the eye center and one of their top guys who focus on eyelids surgery...

I'd urge you to check him out. Maybe more pricey since he has clinics in mt. E and suntec but consultations would be alot more comprehensive - he really answers all your questions without clock-watching - he even started talking to my dad patiently about ptosis when my dad got curious.

http://eyeandaesthetics.com.sg/

I'm sure as well there are other eyelid specialists out there - you might want to ask your family GP for recommendations in the private sector.

[aadvark]

This article sounds suspiciously like Kalo in JB

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