Plastic surgery in Thailand (Bangkok / Hatyai)

[curiousdreaming]

really? Tokai replies to me in like 3 hours... which delights me, haha. last night I emailed him at 10pm and he replied at 1am. amazing.

I use this email: [email protected]

how come u've been getting replies from tokai fast n i still haven't gotten any email back from them for 3 days now. weird! he must be very busy.

[Route2Perfection]

good lord ive not been reading this thread, and nara has a website!

im planning to book him the day school closes on dec 1

hey, im going on december also. jst wanna know if whether i can tag along with you ?

i dont see why not,
im going to for nose implant, and alar

im still considering lipo
i did vaser on my mid body, front thigh, arms and upperback within the last 11 months.
but it was very unsatisfactory, and now the vaser price hiked by alot.

all im concerned abt lipo at nara, is how much pain is there
to me vaser was quite comforting cos of all the new technology and twilight anesthesia.
can anyone who went to nara for lipo advice on the pain factor?

Dear Dreampotion,

May i know did you opt for vaser hi def. or just vaser liposelection?

i will be opting for vaser hi def for the whole body. However, it seems like some still needs to redo the liposuction even after the most latest technology such as vaser.

Please let me know why are you redoing the liposuction again?

I will be opting for whole body so it is costing me a bomb. So i would like to find out from out what went wrong, so i can decide whether to opt for the high end procedure or just the conventional liposuction with Dr. Nara or others.

I am not too big, so doctor has advised me that i am a good candidates for vaser hi. def. I just hope they are sincere and can deliver the promise to give me a figure as shown in their website.

[Route2Perfection]

i've been exercising more regularly lately and to my horror i've started developing pigmentation ('sweat spots'). Anyone knows of a good remedy for it?

I scoured flowerpod and i saw sato q10 had pretty good reviews for skin and could lighten pigmentation. just bought a bottle yest to try. BUT just in case it doesn't work (touch wood), anyone's got any other remedies?

aadvark, are they white patchy spots or brown rough-textured patches? if yes, that sounds like fungal like what felineeyes said - you can try anti-fungal cream from GP or pharmacy. the cream will help kill the fungal/bacteria & prevent it from spreading. But the white spots might remain (& tanning will help reduce the white spots).

Pigmentations are brown spots, looks alike freckles.

yes, they are brown spots like freckles... oh you mean sweat spots are white ah?

Hi Aadvark,

You may try this Japanese brand- Super Collagen, 6000mg & with Placenta per 25ml. It is not MLM product, you may call Health Trend 64481339 (I am not their agent but i am also taking it and vouch by this product)

My aunt after her menopause, has developed age spot (near black in color), after taking it for few months, the pigmentation is so light that need close look to notice the spot.

Besides the supplement, you need to apply sunblock whenever you are in the sun

[Brenton]

Wondering if i shd have sticked to my decision of low crease for guy...
but he has twenty years of experience to fight me...sigh..

Just hope the result would be suitable for my face ba...

Nose-wise like no difference le...cos i already had a bridge but bulb-ous tip...

dunno how much more it will deswell......


Back to waiting impatiently again....

Like what some website said, our generation tends to go for instant results stuffs......very impatient to go through the process

[shika]

I have been debating whether to go with Yanhee or Hatyai. Finally, last minute change of plans made me chose Yanhee Hospital. I was very lucky because I only gave Yanhee 2 days notice requesting Dr. Greechart on April 9th. The Doc agree on doing my surgeries (double eyelid, Nose, & alar). Bangkok here I come and to the ppl I meet here... I'll keep you in touch with my surgeries.

[Annakilly]

Wondering if i shd have sticked to my decision of low crease for guy...
but he has twenty years of experience to fight me...sigh..

Just hope the result would be suitable for my face ba...

Nose-wise like no difference le...cos i already had a bridge but bulb-ous tip...

dunno how much more it will deswell......


Back to waiting impatiently again....

Like what some website said, our generation tends to go for instant results stuffs......very impatient to go through the process

Hey brenton, how many days post op are you already?
The bridge of the nose will continue to deswell by roughly one third the height now.
I had the same problem as you regarding my bulbous nose tip after my first rhinoplasty. There wasn't much difference in the nose and my tip still looked bulbous.
Lets hope its the swelling thats making your nose still look bulbous. Pray that it'll look more refined in days

[aadvark]

Ardvark, I can only assume that by "better post-op care" - it means that if there are any post-op complications, Tokai is more responsive than Nara. in that sense, you are buying post-op peace of mind. certainly this is the main deciding factor for me...

I called Nara today and while they are helpful, there's def a language barrier. so they were unable to provide detailed answers to questions such as, "where would the scars be and size of scars?". In particular, the recep who answered just said "a few small scars" even after I phrased the questions in different ways trying to get a detailed answer.

Tokai on the other hand gave me precise email answers on likely size, location of scars, and is very prompt and thorough on other email questions.

I understand at 3x more the cost, of course he has to be more professional.
I am not trying to say one is better than the other (we need to weigh all pros/cons), but there's a definite difference!
I agree with you though - I don't give a hoot bout the bed/waiting room... but I def want my surgeon to be there in case any complications or questions arise post-op.

that said, Nara's cost is compelling, esp in this economy... hummm.

thanks! Aarvark wd you mind if I MSN'ed with pictures to ask your opinion?

Other thoughts:
I just emailed Tokai today, to compare with Nara. I reckon although it's US$1000, Tokai does provide compression garments, which is US$250+ if you were to purchase separately (right?).
So really Nara would be ~US$300 (10K baht equivalent) + US$250 = US$550 per area.
that's still a good 45% discount off Tokai at US$1K, but Hatyai is harder to get to. plus Tokai has better post-op care, from what other forumers say.

Come to think of it, if I do inner thigh + abdomen, would US$250 be enough for compression garments if I purchase myself? or do I need US$250 * 2 = US$500 (since it is 2 areas)?

u dun need separate garments for diff areas, if u get a marena body suit, it will easily cover tummy, thighs etc area. that wld cost u USD$130
e.g. http://recoveryelements.com/fblbodysuite.aspx

i'm still curious as to wat better post-op care everyone refers to. i've been to both. the only diff is tokai has a waiting area with 2 beds which u can lie in to rest a while b4 u go off. nara doesn't have any beds for u to rest in, but it's just next to the hotel, can just walk bk and rest there.

then i think u have been fooled, nara is def more responsive if there are complications. trust me, i've been to both and i've known forumers who have had issues with the diff docs. not that tokai is not good, but as u said, they are more professional, they will be giving u 'professional' answers as well if ur results are not satisfactory.

there is def a lang barrier for nara's nurses, because nara dun answer the calls personally, but nara speaks proper eng, so no worries there. if u really want my opinion, u r in safer hands if u go over to nara. i've done multiple ops wth both nara and tokai, and i dare say i felt safer with nara no matter what his outward behaviour is like.

tokai's detailed description of the scars will not mean their scars are any less obvious than nara's. if i really need to compare, i wld say nara's stitching is finer (even the local GPs told me so when i removed stitches) and left less of a mark than my ops with tokai.

in simpler terms, nara markets themselves poorer than tokai, prob because they dun have to. but in terms of skills and post-op (ie. if anything goes wrong), then nara will still be my preferred doc

3x the cost has nothing to do with professionalism. it's just operational costs because tokai is in bangkok while nara is in hatyai. it's the same reasoning why a drink costs more from a 7-11 in orchard road than the 7-11 in ang mo kio.

the only reasons why i wld ever choose tokai over nara, wld be the following reasons:
- nara doesn't do certain ops
- bangkok is much easier to travel to

[aadvark]

I have been debating whether to go with Yanhee or Hatyai. Finally, last minute change of plans made me chose Yanhee Hospital. I was very lucky because I only gave Yanhee 2 days notice requesting Dr. Greechart on April 9th. The Doc agree on doing my surgeries (double eyelid, Nose, & alar). Bangkok here I come and to the ppl I meet here... I'll keep you in touch with my surgeries.

greechart will be a good choice

[aadvark]

Wondering if i shd have sticked to my decision of low crease for guy...
but he has twenty years of experience to fight me...sigh..

Just hope the result would be suitable for my face ba...

Nose-wise like no difference le...cos i already had a bridge but bulb-ous tip...

dunno how much more it will deswell......


Back to waiting impatiently again....

Like what some website said, our generation tends to go for instant results stuffs......very impatient to go through the process

patience my dear, i warned u that u will feel depressed avoid the mirrors and just go abt ur life as per normal

here's my timeline to refresh ur memory:

bridge will deswell in arnd 10 days, and assume a final shape and height in arnd 3 mths. but i dun think nara raised ur bridge much so might be faster

ur tip will be swollen for prob 1 to 1.5 mths. it will become much sharper with time. i assume cos ur tip was bulbous, which wld mean thicker skin, that means nara can extend the tip more so that u can have a sharper and more refined tip. will meet u soon to ascertain the result

eyelids... well... mine was quite high at first, but that was from my own ignorant request. initial height of crease to final height of crease, i wld say it went down by 2/3. and it took nearly a year to finalise the size and shape, so patience...

some more, u did multiple ops at one go, so ur healing rate will be slowed down, similar to mine when i first did, so my timeline wld prob be more realistic than those who did single ops

[cersepn]

Well said aadvark. You took the words straight out of my mouth.
While i haven't been to tokai/nara myself, the comments in this thread and from private correspondence give me enough reason to believe that dr pat is not as great as many might believe. The shroud of mystery surrounding his name change, the pay-him-deposit-and-get-discount thingy amongst many other things just make me feel uneasy

People, please do not assume that just because a doctor replies fast, he must be good. They're not related at all..

[curiousdreaming]

I hope this isn't targeted at me - because I never assumed that someone is "better" if they reply faster. in fact I said the supposed "professionalism" was likely a result of the 3x cost, and that I also mentioned that I didn't think either is necessarily better [SIC] than the other.

I haven't been to Tokai or Nara either. I'm deciding between the two now.

therefore, Aarvark's, yours, and others' comments are extremely useful.

that said, it's a fairly objective statement that if a clinic replies quickly to your queries and/or a clinic is responsive and communicative to your concerns, it is a strong merit. i.e. Tokai.
on the flip side, having finer stitches or cheaper prices are definitely great merits, too. i.e. Nara.

I appreciate that diff people will choose Dr Pat / Dr Nara for diff reasons. but I reiterate - there is no singular "better" yardstick. just what you value more.

Well said aadvark. You took the words straight out of my mouth.
While i haven't been to tokai/nara myself, the comments in this thread and from private correspondence give me enough reason to believe that dr pat is not as great as many might believe. The shroud of mystery surrounding his name change, the pay-him-deposit-and-get-discount thingy amongst many other things just make me feel uneasy

People, please do not assume that just because a doctor replies fast, he must be good. They're not related at all..

[curiousdreaming]

Ardvark, I can only assume that by "better post-op care" - it means that if there are any post-op complications, Tokai is more responsive than Nara. in that sense, you are buying post-op peace of mind. certainly this is the main deciding factor for me...

I called Nara today and while they are helpful, there's def a language barrier. so they were unable to provide detailed answers to questions such as, "where would the scars be and size of scars?". In particular, the recep who answered just said "a few small scars" even after I phrased the questions in different ways trying to get a detailed answer.

Tokai on the other hand gave me precise email answers on likely size, location of scars, and is very prompt and thorough on other email questions.

I understand at 3x more the cost, of course he has to be more professional.
I am not trying to say one is better than the other (we need to weigh all pros/cons), but there's a definite difference!
I agree with you though - I don't give a hoot bout the bed/waiting room... but I def want my surgeon to be there in case any complications or questions arise post-op.

that said, Nara's cost is compelling, esp in this economy... hummm.

u dun need separate garments for diff areas, if u get a marena body suit, it will easily cover tummy, thighs etc area. that wld cost u USD$130
e.g. http://recoveryelements.com/fblbodysuite.aspx

i'm still curious as to wat better post-op care everyone refers to. i've been to both. the only diff is tokai has a waiting area with 2 beds which u can lie in to rest a while b4 u go off. nara doesn't have any beds for u to rest in, but it's just next to the hotel, can just walk bk and rest there.

then i think u have been fooled, nara is def more responsive if there are complications. trust me, i've been to both and i've known forumers who have had issues with the diff docs. not that tokai is not good, but as u said, they are more professional, they will be giving u 'professional' answers as well if ur results are not satisfactory.

there is def a lang barrier for nara's nurses, because nara dun answer the calls personally, but nara speaks proper eng, so no worries there. if u really want my opinion, u r in safer hands if u go over to nara. i've done multiple ops wth both nara and tokai, and i dare say i felt safer with nara no matter what his outward behaviour is like.

tokai's detailed description of the scars will not mean their scars are any less obvious than nara's. if i really need to compare, i wld say nara's stitching is finer (even the local GPs told me so when i removed stitches) and left less of a mark than my ops with tokai.

in simpler terms, nara markets themselves poorer than tokai, prob because they dun have to. but in terms of skills and post-op (ie. if anything goes wrong), then nara will still be my preferred doc

3x the cost has nothing to do with professionalism. it's just operational costs because tokai is in bangkok while nara is in hatyai. it's the same reasoning why a drink costs more from a 7-11 in orchard road than the 7-11 in ang mo kio.

the only reasons why i wld ever choose tokai over nara, wld be the following reasons:
- nara doesn't do certain ops
- bangkok is much easier to travel to

your info above is really helpful, thanks... it is v comforting to know that if complications arise, Nara will be there. that was my main concern. If indeed that is the case, then I have every reason to go to Nara.

I've in fact made an appointment with him already, but the lack of response scared me a bit. perhaps this appears to be newbie questions/fears, but imagine if this were your first PS and your surgeon isn't responding to your emails/phone calls - I think you can imagine my worries? for someone with no direct PS experience, we can only draw parallels of post-op and pre-op, with what we have experienced so far i.e. through emails pre-op. that is all I meant.

this was incredibly useful info though: "i wld say nara's stitching is finer (even the local GPs told me so when i removed stitches) and left less of a mark than my ops with tokai."

decisions, decisions!
I can't wait for the op though. will def share feedback once decided/gone through.

[looier]

Thanks Aadvark, very helpfull indeed. I understand very well diff. between dr Pat and dr Nara.
Only thing is Nara also has more conservative approach twds plast. surg.
I intend to do facelift and liplift and chinaugmentation. For facelift I choose Nara's conservative manner, don't want windtunnel face.
Liplift Nara does'nt do so that's for Tokai.

Aardvark I have a question: by chance you ended up on dr. Pats table for chinrevision. I had bio-alcamid before inserted in chin area, but result is minimal. Now should I do chin and liplift with Tokai or chin with facelift at Nara's? Which you think is best?
Also do dr Pat and dr. Nara use same chinimplant (wingtype)?

I asked Nara about removing bio-alacamid and inserting chin implant instead, his answer was very professional. He said he could'nt remove all alcamid and explained why. While dr Pat just said: "sure can be done, no problem".
That's what makes Nara more trustworthy in my eyes.

Only thing is when I choose dr Nara for implant I don't want to end up with a little difference but with a firm chin this time.

Aadvark could you please give your opinion. Thanks a mill.

By the way I'm from Amsterdam, Holland.

[Route2Perfection]

so anybody can join me during june or late may?
im looking for a companion.

Hi Prido,

Are you going to Hatyai or Bangkok?

If BKK, I haven't decide which doctor to go to yet. I am opt for cheek bone reduction & jaw reduction. Already email Yoskarn & Dr. Charan, still waiting for their reply.

If going to Hatyai, will check out Dr. Nara & Dr. Putt for redoing my eyes & nose.

May i join you? Please email me: [email protected]

[cersepn]

I hope this isn't targeted at me - because I never assumed that someone is "better" if they reply faster. in fact I said the supposed "professionalism" was likely a result of the 3x cost, and that I also mentioned that I didn't think either is necessarily better [SIC] than the other.

I haven't been to Tokai or Nara either. I'm deciding between the two now.

therefore, Aarvark's, yours, and others' comments are extremely useful.

that said, it's a fairly objective statement that if a clinic replies quickly to your queries and/or a clinic is responsive and communicative to your concerns, it is a strong merit. i.e. Tokai.
on the flip side, having finer stitches or cheaper prices are definitely great merits, too. i.e. Nara.

I appreciate that diff people will choose Dr Pat / Dr Nara for diff reasons. but I reiterate - there is no singular "better" yardstick. just what you value more.

Well said aadvark. You took the words straight out of my mouth.
While i haven't been to tokai/nara myself, the comments in this thread and from private correspondence give me enough reason to believe that dr pat is not as great as many might believe. The shroud of mystery surrounding his name change, the pay-him-deposit-and-get-discount thingy amongst many other things just make me feel uneasy

People, please do not assume that just because a doctor replies fast, he must be good. They're not related at all..

.. lol you just said that a clinic who replies fast = strong merit. And I am not targeting it at you. There's just been alot of people around here who seem to think that fast replies = good doctor, and as i said earlier on, they're INDEPENDENT of each other.

I honestly don't see how you can see finer stitches and fast communication as both being great merits; surely i want finer stitches but even if communication is lacking, that's fine. Pretty sure nobody wants super communication with lousy stitching eh?

And put it this way, i know people who've seen dr pat's work IRL and they tell me that the scarring is bad. Is that enough for you? lol