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Postby mbk » Thu, 17 Apr 2008 5:46 pm

aadvark, if you are swollon with exercise and somedays when you wake up etc that means ways to go for healing......different people heal at different rates. It is very good that things are improving (like you said you lip got feeling back etc). All these are gradual signs of improvement so it means you are still healing and it is a long process.

If raw, swollen, painful, red, fever then go to doc ASAP. Otherwise just take things slow and don't pay too much attention to it as it will take time...

cant wait to see your final results at 6 months and 1 year!

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Postby sampam » Thu, 17 Apr 2008 6:04 pm

anybody used Dr Pat at tokai for liposuction? results?

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Postby momoko » Thu, 17 Apr 2008 6:10 pm

sampam wrote:I think I may have already asked this before; But does anyone actually know Dr Nara's credentials, accreditations, certifications, education etc?


I have asked him via email repeatedly but he keeps ignoring it and never answers it and I have asked his staff too and they dont say much either.

Makes me very suspicious combined with what the Thai board had said(that he may just be a doctor and not a PS but does PS work anyways without any credited training etc). I dont want to take any chances. You should see the stuffups and botched up jobs from liposuction and other surgeries etc.

Just so strange. I mean ask any doc their credentials etc and they will tell you but he keeps ignoring it.

How many people on here have actually had Liposuction done with Dr Nara? Results?


i've done lipo twice with Dr nara, and i had never suspected his credentials. And he wasnt the only doc i did lipo with. prior to this i had arm lipo with another clinic in JB.

I think he is very professional, as mentioned in one of my earlier posts, if u had been reading, i wanted to do tummy on my 1st visit with him, but he felt i do not have enought fats in that area, so in the end i did my outer thighs with him.

My 2nd visit, i had my inner thighs done. i want to do back of thighs and inner thighs but was rejected on the spot again. He is very nice and he remembered me on my 2nd visit, haha, he was abit shocked when i said i wanted to lipo again. In terms of results, i wouldnt say its a major inchloss, bcos im not fat to begin with, What i got was a toner lookin pair of thighs that make me look better esp wearing shorts.

As much as i wanna look like those stick thin models, i know every surgery has it limits. So far i am very satisfied with Dr Nara's works bcos it's really value for $$$, of cos results proven! I don't think im going back anytime soon for lipo as i know i probably gonna get rejected by him again.

If u intend to do with Dr Nara, u gotta get ur compression garments ready by urself. Post Op care is rather simple, for the 1st night, there will be blood and water oozing out, after that everything's gonna be fine. When Aadvark say the post op care for his clinic is very minimal, it's very true, but it doesnt mean he's gonna ignore u once u leave the surgery room. U can always return the nx day for the nurse to take a look at ur wounds. they are very kind.

Hope this helps.
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Postby sampam » Thu, 17 Apr 2008 6:36 pm

thanks momoko detailed post.


so im going to assume that from what I had seen since I had already been to tokai that their standards and after care are much better.



Has anyone actually talked to Nara on the phone? If so how did you do that?


Leave aside everything else I still dont know what his price would be for all the areas i want under GA in the hospital.

Just called them again Nara is always doing surgery seems. Now the lady is saying no liposuction only 1 area 1 day and 10000THB per area. They dont do GA etc and liposuction is only in clinic. jeez
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Postby momoko » Thu, 17 Apr 2008 6:40 pm

sampam wrote:thanks momoko detailed post.


so im going to assume that from what I had seen since I had already been to tokai that their standards and after care are much better.



Has anyone actually talked to Nara on the phone? If so how did you do that?


Leave aside everything else I still dont know what his price would be for all the areas i want under GA in the hospital.


I suspect the reasons u r not getting an email reply, it's either they are too busy to log on if not its bcos u've written too much they do not understand. Do bear in mind they are Thais their command of english is very minimal.

B4 my 1st visit, i emailed twice, they replied on my 1st email which i asked about 10 simple qns on prices and procedures. They did not reply my 2nd email, i guess i asked too many difficult qns.

So in the end i phone the clinic and make an appointment, got it done and over with. As simple as that.

Unless u r going for a EXTREME MAKEOVER, i think Dr nara is good enough for most of the basic surgeries. His technology might not be the most advanced ones lik WAL or Vaser. I don't see the point of doing under GA or lying in a hospital bed making Lipo lookinh lik a major op.

I've compared the prices in SG and BKK, and consulted a few docs in SG too, if i were to do in BKK, the op and air tix and hotel cost, it will cost the same as doing in SG. Perhaps u can check out what's available in your own country before deciding going overseas, since u mention going to thai is a long haul flt for u. haha, if u r so concerned about the credentials or clinic facilities, why not come to SG? We have many well known surgeons here as well.

Btw, if u going for lipo in tokai, do feedback here, as far as i know, nobody has posted on lipo in tokai yet. I do wish to get more feedback on this place as well. TIA.
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Postby sampam » Thu, 17 Apr 2008 6:51 pm

just talked to them again (nara clinic) and now they told me dr only does lipo at clinic and only 1 part 1 day.


I understand what your saying about using just local etc and not GA nor lying in a hospital bed etc BUT if your doing multiple areas 4 etc then the only way you can do all of them in 1 operation is via GA. OR you can come in for each part the next day and try and do it. Highly doubt once you go through the pain etc of ONE that you will come back the next day for another part la. Hence why more than 1 part then you go down with GA and get it all done.

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Postby aadvark » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:42 am

ok, lipo at tokai, haha, i can finally contribute :D

i did cheek and under-chin lipo with Dr Pat. Cost me 30k baht altogether.
Was done under GA. I breathed in through a gas mask and was put to sleep. Heart monitor, blood pressure monitor are all employed.

I wun say the results are dramatic because I don't have a very fat face to begin with. But i could actually see the outline of my jaw after the lipo, b4, it was totally not possible. Cheeks looked slimmer too.

basically, i looked like i lost 5-10kg in body weight (which is not a very dramatic difference to the face), although my body weight went up by 1kg in reality!
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Postby daybreakk » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 3:47 am

Actually this is simple, sampan dont go to nara becoz he charges too cheap to be true. We dont need you to tell us that nara is charging cheaper becoz of other reasons. you are actually quite irritating to be honest. We go to him becoz we like think he is reliable. If you insist that there is a reason for him charging cheaper and u cant get any assurance that he is safe then dont go for him. You sound so immature. I think you sound more like you are advertising for whoever surgeon u work with and keep on raising suspicion on nara. please just go away.. dont come here..

sampam wrote:francyn lay off! nobody here is arguing!


theres usually a reason why some can be so much cheaper etc than others.


I just spoke to Dr PAT at Tokai and he instantly knew of Dr Somyos Kunachak and said he is maybe best surgeon and very prestigious and skilled and a professor at top university and teacher of many surgeons and head of department in hospital. So as he said thats why he can do many nose cases etc that others cant because of his skills and experience etc.


Dr Pat however did quote me 120,000THB and so far thats the cheapest under complete GA because havent gotten anything from Nara price wise.

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Postby sampam » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 8:04 am

daybreakk wrote:Actually this is simple, sampan dont go to nara becoz he charges too cheap to be true. We dont need you to tell us that nara is charging cheaper becoz of other reasons. you are actually quite irritating to be honest. We go to him becoz we like think he is reliable. If you insist that there is a reason for him charging cheaper and u cant get any assurance that he is safe then dont go for him. You sound so immature. I think you sound more like you are advertising for whoever surgeon u work with and keep on raising suspicion on nara. please just go away.. dont come here..

sampam wrote:francyn lay off! nobody here is arguing!


theres usually a reason why some can be so much cheaper etc than others.


I just spoke to Dr PAT at Tokai and he instantly knew of Dr Somyos Kunachak and said he is maybe best surgeon and very prestigious and skilled and a professor at top university and teacher of many surgeons and head of department in hospital. So as he said thats why he can do many nose cases etc that others cant because of his skills and experience etc.


Dr Pat however did quote me 120,000THB and so far thats the cheapest under complete GA because havent gotten anything from Nara price wise.




Who the freak do you think you are???

Im getting sick and tired off you guys jumping on my back without any information or a medical background of any sort nor any or minimal experience in PS and stating that im touting one or other doctor when infact its guys like you who just seem to want to blindly follow a doctor simply because a few have been to him/her and havent had any major issues!!!!!

We can be civil and respectable here and offer our opinions and criticise or scrutinise any doctor etc and its your call whether you choose to listen or not.

Your acting like this is your personal feefdom!!


I bet you dont even know that even from a simple procedure such as liposuction even with modern advances the DEATH rate is about 20-100deaths per 100,000. Add in GA and multiple procedures and your risk just became even higher!!!!!

So if you happen to want to be amongst the dead then you go ahead and jump in mindlessly. I and im sure many many others here would rather be safe than sorry.


According to your logic nobody should question or check anything or scrutinise or do their own homework or think for themselves but rather we should all go to Dr Nara or whomever and shouldnt dare say "hold on! why?"

Obviously you havent even bothered to look at my limitations either nor understood my position nor even heard of the phrase "if its too cheap to be true then it just might not be!"! And I have said before price is not necessarily an indicator of the skills of a surgeon.

But you cant simply say he is excellent etc you have to look at the whole prespective of things and take everything into account. Next youll say hes as good as Dr. Dean Toruimi for rhinoplasty or Dr Meronk for eye jobs etc etc!!!!!! Jee wiz wonder why they are known as the best in their fields? Wonder why they fix others screwups? Wonder why they are famous worldwide? Wonder why they only specialise in 1 thing? hmmm Maybe now im just promoting them so you can go and spend 100times more with them, yeah THAT must be it!!!!

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Postby sampam » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 8:26 am

aadvark wrote:ok, lipo at tokai, haha, i can finally contribute :D

i did cheek and under-chin lipo with Dr Pat. Cost me 30k baht altogether.
Was done under GA. I breathed in through a gas mask and was put to sleep. Heart monitor, blood pressure monitor are all employed.

I wun say the results are dramatic because I don't have a very fat face to begin with. But i could actually see the outline of my jaw after the lipo, b4, it was totally not possible. Cheeks looked slimmer too.

basically, i looked like i lost 5-10kg in body weight (which is not a very dramatic difference to the face), although my body weight went up by 1kg in reality!


Good :) So im guessing you were happy with the work done on you?

I have read that some patients actually get picked up and dropped off and stay in the clinic for the duration of their stay in bangkok (ie a few days to a week or so) and then go back. Did you happen to get any of that treatment?

Did you happen to see the rooms you can actually stay in? what were they like? were they like 5 star hotel rooms,basic hospital room, basic hotel room, cable tv/toilet/shower etc?

How about your post op scars? Was the pressure garments included?

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Postby shal0m » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 9:37 am

hey daybreak...i think we just leave the person be lah...it's like trying to convince someone to eat durian, if he never likes the smell of it, and have doubts abt how good it really taste, no matter how u try to convince also no use...

there is nothing wrong abt being sure of the qualification of the PS doc, in fact, this is strongly encouraged to be done. but when ppl provide the info, u doubt that the writer is nara, when ppl give u the number to call, u doubt that the line is operated by nara...since u r much more informed & educated in PS circle than most of us, i guess u can google or ask the other 'famous' thai PS that u know, for their thai medical board or PS society tel no, then u can verify, and u can come back and share with us. til then, let this forum be 'arguement-free', thank u very much.

i think the main purpose of this forum is for ppl to share their info on PS, their experience with their own doctors, whether good or bad, and others can benefit from it.
but if one tries to slander w/o concrete evidence, it is not fair. Certainly we will appreciate if one does thorough investigations and come back to share with us, but pls do not abuse this forum, let the investigation be done in private and the outcome can be posted here. i hope this forum is not some tabloids where their reporter just write whatever they want w/o taking responsibility.

I think the language used is impt, it is not nice to call ppl freak...that's not the way to make a point..at least not for mature beings..pls try to be more gracious & civilised in one's language..there is really no need to get all worked up when ppl disagree with u..sigh...

Let there be peace here...

daybreakk wrote:Actually this is simple, sampan dont go to nara becoz he charges too cheap to be true. We dont need you to tell us that nara is charging cheaper becoz of other reasons. you are actually quite irritating to be honest. We go to him becoz we like think he is reliable. If you insist that there is a reason for him charging cheaper and u cant get any assurance that he is safe then dont go for him. You sound so immature. I think you sound more like you are advertising for whoever surgeon u work with and keep on raising suspicion on nara. please just go away.. dont come here..

sampam wrote:francyn lay off! nobody here is arguing!


theres usually a reason why some can be so much cheaper etc than others.


I just spoke to Dr PAT at Tokai and he instantly knew of Dr Somyos Kunachak and said he is maybe best surgeon and very prestigious and skilled and a professor at top university and teacher of many surgeons and head of department in hospital. So as he said thats why he can do many nose cases etc that others cant because of his skills and experience etc.


Dr Pat however did quote me 120,000THB and so far thats the cheapest under complete GA because havent gotten anything from Nara price wise.
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Postby aadvark » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 9:42 am

sampam wrote:
aadvark wrote:ok, lipo at tokai, haha, i can finally contribute :D

i did cheek and under-chin lipo with Dr Pat. Cost me 30k baht altogether.
Was done under GA. I breathed in through a gas mask and was put to sleep. Heart monitor, blood pressure monitor are all employed.

I wun say the results are dramatic because I don't have a very fat face to begin with. But i could actually see the outline of my jaw after the lipo, b4, it was totally not possible. Cheeks looked slimmer too.

basically, i looked like i lost 5-10kg in body weight (which is not a very dramatic difference to the face), although my body weight went up by 1kg in reality!


Good :) So im guessing you were happy with the work done on you?

I have read that some patients actually get picked up and dropped off and stay in the clinic for the duration of their stay in bangkok (ie a few days to a week or so) and then go back. Did you happen to get any of that treatment?

Did you happen to see the rooms you can actually stay in? what were they like? were they like 5 star hotel rooms,basic hospital room, basic hotel room, cable tv/toilet/shower etc?

How about your post op scars? Was the pressure garments included?


hmmm, din get picked up or dropped off, i took cab both ways. But the nurses were really friendly, and they helped me catch a cab from the main road, and direct it to behind the clinic so i can hop on straightaway

the room u can stay in is like a hospital ward, with 2 beds in the room, a curtain partition and they provide cable television as well. there is a toilet and shower on the same level. they bought us dinner as well after the surgery.

there were 4 areas which they entered and stitched up, 2 behind the ears, and 2 below the chin.

the ones below the chin left no scar, can't tell where they entered, altho u can feel 2 small lumps if u touch around below the chin. that wld be where they entered i suppose.

behind the ears, i can feel 2 lumps also, but not sure if it's obvious to the eye, cos i haven't used a mirror to look behind my ears.
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Postby sampam » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:58 am

[quote="shal0m"]but when ppl provide the info, u doubt that the writer is nara, when ppl give u the number to call, u doubt that the line is operated by nara...

I think the language used is impt, it is not nice to call ppl freak...that's not the way to make a point..at least not for mature beings..pls try to be more gracious & civilised in one's language..there is really no need to get all worked up when ppl disagree with u..sigh...


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Is there a language difficulty here? Do people simply not understand straight forward written english without biasing it or changing it or misunderstanding it?

im suspicious of that 1 poster because thats all they did. sign up and show all that info when NOBODY else knew it nor is it posted anywhere hence why it makes it look suspicious.

show me where I doubted that the line was operated by Nara?????? i never did that.

and I already knew his number and the board certification number too(which first they said he isnt certified then said he is and from all the background noise etc i stated things)

actually i didnt call daybreak freak but much more colorful word but the board automatically changed it.

nothing wrong with people disagreeing etc AND THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT. Nor is there anything wrong with posting concerns or anything else. TO DATE I havent accused NARA of anything read all my damned posts!!!!! Rather its some members here that have jumped to their own conclusions.

and about durian I have tried it and dont mind it but dont love it either but letting somebody operate on me and eating a fruit/vegetable/food/drink is worlds apart.

If I accuse anybody of something I would back it up with proof. And regarding tone and matureness thats exactly what im asking here too yet only the people here seem to jump up and down (since I know singaporeans are opinionated) and accuse me of things without any proof or misread/misconstrue/misunderstand what I have stated and imagine some imaginary insults to either doctors or themselves and interpreted things wrongly rather than at face value.

To date that only thing I know for sure is:
*His infection rates just in this thread alone seem to be quite a bit high.
*Once I was told by the board he isnt board certified then was told he is. Which is it still dont know.
*Atleast 1 patient had complained that he hadnt used enough anesthetic during liposuction
*I havent read of any MAJOR botches or anything

thats it. Hence why I havent removed him as an option but I do have other things to consider too including time off, travel costs, hotel costs etc etc etc

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Postby sampam » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:00 am

aadvark wrote:
sampam wrote:
aadvark wrote:ok, lipo at tokai, haha, i can finally contribute :D

i did cheek and under-chin lipo with Dr Pat. Cost me 30k baht altogether.
Was done under GA. I breathed in through a gas mask and was put to sleep. Heart monitor, blood pressure monitor are all employed.

I wun say the results are dramatic because I don't have a very fat face to begin with. But i could actually see the outline of my jaw after the lipo, b4, it was totally not possible. Cheeks looked slimmer too.

basically, i looked like i lost 5-10kg in body weight (which is not a very dramatic difference to the face), although my body weight went up by 1kg in reality!


Good :) So im guessing you were happy with the work done on you?

I have read that some patients actually get picked up and dropped off and stay in the clinic for the duration of their stay in bangkok (ie a few days to a week or so) and then go back. Did you happen to get any of that treatment?

Did you happen to see the rooms you can actually stay in? what were they like? were they like 5 star hotel rooms,basic hospital room, basic hotel room, cable tv/toilet/shower etc?

How about your post op scars? Was the pressure garments included?


hmmm, din get picked up or dropped off, i took cab both ways. But the nurses were really friendly, and they helped me catch a cab from the main road, and direct it to behind the clinic so i can hop on straightaway

the room u can stay in is like a hospital ward, with 2 beds in the room, a curtain partition and they provide cable television as well. there is a toilet and shower on the same level. they bought us dinner as well after the surgery.

there were 4 areas which they entered and stitched up, 2 behind the ears, and 2 below the chin.

the ones below the chin left no scar, can't tell where they entered, altho u can feel 2 small lumps if u touch around below the chin. that wld be where they entered i suppose.

behind the ears, i can feel 2 lumps also, but not sure if it's obvious to the eye, cos i haven't used a mirror to look behind my ears.


Did they inject you first and put the gas on just as your about to fall asleep?

Most scary moment indeed it is. When they inject their anesthesia and you start feeling like you cant breathe and then they mask you and obviously intubate you afterwards. Scary stuff when you feel like you cant breath.

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Postby pinqx » Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:03 pm

This is a call out to boii18 and aardvark, please do PM me as my surgery date is approaching and really need to know some details. Thank you so much. Anyone who done rhino wih Dr. Pat please also PM me.


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