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Postby wteng » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:08 am

lil_ab, you are so funny.... for pple who had rhino and is still not pleased with the height, is it possible to go for fillers as well if one is relunctant to go for anther surgery. or is there anyone here who has done both procedues of using fillers and implants?

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Postby sampam » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:10 am

aadvark wrote:
sampam wrote:aadvark:

got a brief email from him simply stating cost, where his clinic is, recovery time, that he doesnt do anything but traditional lipo and thats pretty much it

so ive sent him another email asking for specific info



Also is it just me or does it seem like theres a high incidence of infections from Nara's work? does he prescribe antibiotics before and after? is his place spotless and sterile?


he does prescribe antibiotics, but i feel that he doesn't give enough, hence the infections. other possibility is that everyone leaves like 2-3 days after surgery, so there's no post-op involved, so even if we need more antibiotics, there's no way to get any from him. The surgery room itself feels pretty sterile.

i wun say high incidence la, people who have mentioned an infection still a handful, but the people who are alright wun purposely post just to say they had no infection, so we end up focusing only on the negative

so far, did 5 separate ops with him, only my chin implant had an infection. but i might have been a little negligent with my oral hygiene :P


I see yeah could be that or a million other things just seems strange or out of place. between me and my partner TOUCH WOOD we have had absolutely no infections whatsoever and hadnt heard of any that had gotten infections there except for a few idiots eg if you have a damned BA dont go walking around in the stinking thai heat shopping for hours etc or those that run around etc

so far just seems like his rate of infection is atleast noticeable.

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Postby lil_ab » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:40 am

sampam wrote:
aadvark wrote:
sampam wrote:aadvark:

got a brief email from him simply stating cost, where his clinic is, recovery time, that he doesnt do anything but traditional lipo and thats pretty much it

so ive sent him another email asking for specific info



Also is it just me or does it seem like theres a high incidence of infections from Nara's work? does he prescribe antibiotics before and after? is his place spotless and sterile?


he does prescribe antibiotics, but i feel that he doesn't give enough, hence the infections. other possibility is that everyone leaves like 2-3 days after surgery, so there's no post-op involved, so even if we need more antibiotics, there's no way to get any from him. The surgery room itself feels pretty sterile.

i wun say high incidence la, people who have mentioned an infection still a handful, but the people who are alright wun purposely post just to say they had no infection, so we end up focusing only on the negative

so far, did 5 separate ops with him, only my chin implant had an infection. but i might have been a little negligent with my oral hygiene :P


I see yeah could be that or a million other things just seems strange or out of place. between me and my partner TOUCH WOOD we have had absolutely no infections whatsoever and hadnt heard of any that had gotten infections there except for a few idiots eg if you have a damned BA dont go walking around in the stinking thai heat shopping for hours etc or those that run around etc

so far just seems like his rate of infection is atleast noticeable.


IDIOT is the word to call those who got infected? Is this appropriate?
Yes, it is noticeable. . as what aadvark mention there is a handful of those with no issue at all, same surgery, same surgeon doing it. All surgery has the risk of complications and undesirable outcomes, who want that to happened? At the same time are u judging Dr Nara's skills jus bcos is it unbelievably cheap?

If you cannot stomach the idea of all this procedure done by some of us here with Dr Nara at this price, whereby u did it with some well known certified surgeon, paying 10x or 100x more. Google yr way to this thread and got the most shocking finding of yr life, that a small group of us opt for him and paying so little, being satisfied with the job done ........uhm....u feeling the PINCH??

You got ABSOLUTELY NO INFECTION, good for U!!! Can u predict what will happen next MS SAMPAM?

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Re: nosie

Postby lil_ab » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:46 am

wteng wrote:lil_ab, you are so funny.... for pple who had rhino and is still not pleased with the height, is it possible to go for fillers as well if one is relunctant to go for anther surgery. or is there anyone here who has done both procedues of using fillers and implants?


hello Wteng,

I dunno if fillers can be injected with yr implants attached. I think i read it somewhere that you will need to remove it. Mb u can go back to the past few threads, think there is some discussion regarding it .

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Postby sampam » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 1:06 pm

lil_ab wrote:
wteng wrote:lil_ab, you are so funny.... for pple who had rhino and is still not pleased with the height, is it possible to go for fillers as well if one is relunctant to go for anther surgery. or is there anyone here who has done both procedues of using fillers and implants?


hello Wteng,

I dunno if fillers can be injected with yr implants attached. I think i read it somewhere that you will need to remove it. Mb u can go back to the past few threads, think there is some discussion regarding it .

:lol:


Point 1. Yes it can though many would rather just change the original inserted implant.

Point 2. Ofcourse they are idiots. Look at the scenario. You just had BA and then the next day rather than listening to your doctor and resting and recovering atleast for a few days you go out in the stinking humid heat of thailand(specifically bangkok) and trunce around shopping drinking etc. Thats being plain stupid! To start with HUMID heat is a higher risk for infection ie Bangkok/thailand and on top of that you just had major surgery and trunce around in the dirty streets, smog air and people full(hence all kinds infection causing agents) shopping centers bars etc.. THAT IS PLAIN STUPID AND BEING AN IDIOT. And yes I know this has happened in real life.


Point 3. The price ofcourse is a factor. But everything else matters more. Im in the scrutinizing mode right now and trying to figure out where NARA stands for me. And having such a high incidence rate of infections isnt a good sign to start with. Go research some of those names I mentioned and you wont find it eg With Somyos never ever heard of anybody's nose getting infected and he did 5hours revision on my partner--reason could be that his place is immaculately clean and sterile down to garments tables everything hence non-existent infection rates and adequate PRE and POST surgery preventative measures, eg Partner had chin implant done there and was BEFORE SURGERY on cipro and after his 5hour ordeal of delicate rhino and chin implant was put on augmentin. I had mine with Preecha and likewise spotless clean PRE and POST surgery antibiotics etc no infections. But on this thread alone quite a few got their noses infected. And as evidence usually points out the source of most surgical infections is the actual surgical theatre itself followed by inadequate preventative measures either on the patients part or the doctors or both.


Point 4. Like I have pointed out before I aint a newbie. Im well experienced and versed in PS and medical matters and know the best PS's and predominantly they are all in Bangkok and have had multiple procedures done between me and partner. And if you search around youll find i have been in this game longer than you. So yes I knew of Nara beforehand and even in bangkok if you open the yellow pages youll find dirt cheap doctors who will do PS till you see their places and theatres and look at their credentials and past patients complications then youll get why. Most if you aint going directly to Nara from singapore malaysia whatever dont even need to go that far because right in bangkok there are dirt cheap PS just check the yellow pages.


And you also need to realise something here. Many of these implants cost a lot of money on there own. example the fillers themselves cost a lot. Good nose implants cost a lot as do chin implants. Last time I checked according to mentor/inamed(now allergan) pricing the BA implants alone cost around 500usd+. And yes there are excellent implants and cheap stuff. eg the implants used at Pichet were cheap generic thai a dime a dozen thing and hes got higher infection rate too. Ones elsewhere are much more expensive and come from the giants.


I dont favour any doctor or anyone and dont give a crap. I care about my own body and want anything surgical or otherwise done to it to be at the best possible level and quality and avoiding un-necessary potentially high risk. Money ofcourse is involved hence balancing things out is key or trying to find the best for your money.

Jumping right in and forsaking caution to the wind and then regretting things later because of a botch job or infection or lumps or whatever is not something most people would be keen on and then it might hit you why was I such a miser. Im being the voice of reason rather than advising people to just jump in and go for it. ultimately its the potential patients responsibility to find the best most competent for him/her self and to be well educated and to scrutinize their potential surgeons/doctors..

Ofcourse for me theres also the inconvenience of having to fly to bangkok first and then fly to hatyai vice versa.

Anyhow currently waiting for a reply from him.

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Postby topboy » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 2:11 pm

heyloo, still looking for someone to head to Nara with on around 14 june. please please pm me or email me at viva_la_fcuk@hotmail.com

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Re: nosie

Postby aadvark » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 2:40 pm

sampam wrote:
lil_ab wrote:
wteng wrote:lil_ab, you are so funny.... for pple who had rhino and is still not pleased with the height, is it possible to go for fillers as well if one is relunctant to go for anther surgery. or is there anyone here who has done both procedues of using fillers and implants?


hello Wteng,

I dunno if fillers can be injected with yr implants attached. I think i read it somewhere that you will need to remove it. Mb u can go back to the past few threads, think there is some discussion regarding it .

:lol:


Point 1. Yes it can though many would rather just change the original inserted implant.

Point 2. Ofcourse they are idiots. Look at the scenario. You just had BA and then the next day rather than listening to your doctor and resting and recovering atleast for a few days you go out in the stinking humid heat of thailand(specifically bangkok) and trunce around shopping drinking etc. Thats being plain stupid! To start with HUMID heat is a higher risk for infection ie Bangkok/thailand and on top of that you just had major surgery and trunce around in the dirty streets, smog air and people full(hence all kinds infection causing agents) shopping centers bars etc.. THAT IS PLAIN STUPID AND BEING AN IDIOT. And yes I know this has happened in real life.


Point 3. The price ofcourse is a factor. But everything else matters more. Im in the scrutinizing mode right now and trying to figure out where NARA stands for me. And having such a high incidence rate of infections isnt a good sign to start with. Go research some of those names I mentioned and you wont find it eg With Somyos never ever heard of anybody's nose getting infected and he did 5hours revision on my partner--reason could be that his place is immaculately clean and sterile down to garments tables everything hence non-existent infection rates and adequate PRE and POST surgery preventative measures, eg Partner had chin implant done there and was BEFORE SURGERY on cipro and after his 5hour ordeal of delicate rhino and chin implant was put on augmentin. I had mine with Preecha and likewise spotless clean PRE and POST surgery antibiotics etc no infections. But on this thread alone quite a few got their noses infected. And as evidence usually points out the source of most surgical infections is the actual surgical theatre itself followed by inadequate preventative measures either on the patients part or the doctors or both.


Point 4. Like I have pointed out before I aint a newbie. Im well experienced and versed in PS and medical matters and know the best PS's and predominantly they are all in Bangkok and have had multiple procedures done between me and partner. And if you search around youll find i have been in this game longer than you. So yes I knew of Nara beforehand and even in bangkok if you open the yellow pages youll find dirt cheap doctors who will do PS till you see their places and theatres and look at their credentials and past patients complications then youll get why. Most if you aint going directly to Nara from singapore malaysia whatever dont even need to go that far because right in bangkok there are dirt cheap PS just check the yellow pages.


And you also need to realise something here. Many of these implants cost a lot of money on there own. example the fillers themselves cost a lot. Good nose implants cost a lot as do chin implants. Last time I checked according to mentor/inamed(now allergan) pricing the BA implants alone cost around 500usd+. And yes there are excellent implants and cheap stuff. eg the implants used at Pichet were cheap generic thai a dime a dozen thing and hes got higher infection rate too. Ones elsewhere are much more expensive and come from the giants.


I dont favour any doctor or anyone and dont give a crap. I care about my own body and want anything surgical or otherwise done to it to be at the best possible level and quality and avoiding un-necessary potentially high risk. Money ofcourse is involved hence balancing things out is key or trying to find the best for your money.

Jumping right in and forsaking caution to the wind and then regretting things later because of a botch job or infection or lumps or whatever is not something most people would be keen on and then it might hit you why was I such a miser. Im being the voice of reason rather than advising people to just jump in and go for it. ultimately its the potential patients responsibility to find the best most competent for him/her self and to be well educated and to scrutinize their potential surgeons/doctors..

Ofcourse for me theres also the inconvenience of having to fly to bangkok first and then fly to hatyai vice versa.

Anyhow currently waiting for a reply from him.


yes, sampam, we are all well aware of a few facts that you have been throwing in our faces since your first post:

1. you are not a newbie
2. you are well versed in PS
3. you have been longer in this game
4. you have been to and know all the best PS in bangkok

and for every question i try to answer you, u sling it back in my face with some arrogant comeback. i tried to think i was being sensitive but it seems your tone has riled not just me alone.

i really dun understand, if u think nara is just another dirt cheap PS equivalent to those found in yellow pages in bangkok, why are you still insisting on getting more answers from him, when you have so obviously already formed an opinion of him?

Set aside the "i love my own body, i wanna scrutinize every surgeon" mantra. you obviously think nara is a hack, then why do you still bother to gather any more info on him?

you're not the first i'm-wiser-than-thou forumer to come preaching to us about doing our homework b4 going for PS, and u wun be the last, but at least have the decency to stop talking down to us.
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Postby sampam » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 2:53 pm

aadvark its simple really. Because I havent yet decided that hes a total quack. Whether or not depends on a lot of other things. Your all entitled to your opinions whatever that may be and so am I. I dont sit their and ridicule you all yet seems like im being targeted for simply being reasonable and not jumping to any conclusions. Hypothetically If I happened to have surgery with him and came back with a botched up lipo job, would you take responsibility? infact id blame myself for listening to people whom might have just jumped on the train wagon rather than checking things out.


The points I have made are legitimate.


Whether or not I end up on his table depends on a lot of other things including his credentials and his email reply to questions I had.


I have every right to criticise and question him because ill be going on his table if I end up deciding so. There are many tell tale signs for things and some of them have been pointed out here: odd insufficient anesthesia, no english speakers, higher rate of infection, no website or specific positions or credentials, a few complaints, a shop front convert and at those prices its understandable that corners need to be cut.

But hey? He might just have the credentials and backup experienced needed that might mean id atleast visit him and check things out for myself.

I know cheap doesnt necessarily mean bad nor does expensive necessarily mean good either. Theres a lot of other things to take into account.

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Postby ats_syd » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 3:42 pm

I had 5 different procedures done with Nara (BA,Chin,Lower Bleph,Upper Bleph and Rhino ), never had infection.

His clinic is a very small clinic, more like a typical small town GP office.


When I was doing my rhino and upper bleph this time, on the surgery table while I was getting Preped, I asked him this question : "why don't you have a website, you will get more patients from overseas ? "

Nara replied :"I am worry that I'll get too busy if I had one,I am already flat out now,my schedule is so full I hardly have time for myself "
Then I quoted : "If you had a website,you can charge more and do less " .

We both laughed and then I fell into sleep.

Woke up I had new nose and new bleph .
And I am quite happy with them, NOW !

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Postby sampam » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 4:13 pm

sent some photos to a few places including Dr nara.

Poomee just quoted me almost 8000usd
Newt at swiamswan quoted also 8000usd doing smartlipo
Somyos quoted 6000usd
Bangkok hospital quoted 5700usd
Bumrungrad probably around the same as Bangkok hospital or
(they have 2 packages combining them gives about 4800usd)

Still waiting on Yanhee (since I sent photos for surgeon to see) and Dr Nara.

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Postby aadvark » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 4:30 pm

of course your points are legitimate, and i have never asked anyone to go to Nara cos he's so cheap etc. I do inform them of the disadvantages compared to some bigger clinics.

it's not so much your logic, but the way you have been putting things across. your last 2 posts sound perfectly rational and reasonable. but some of your previous ones dun. you have been targeted because you DO sit there and ridicule us (albeit indirectly)

it could be that you are a straightforward and direct person, and u r definitely entitled to your own opinions but it is a public forum after all, so i would appeal to you to mince your words, so that the rest of us dun feel like:

1. we are cheapskates hence we went to nara, not considering potential dangers

2. we are bandwagon people, that we went to nara just cos someone told us he's good

3. we are idiots for getting infection. i know some of the infection cases in here are due to some bad personal habits: drinking, smoking, etc.
for me, i didn't gargle as often as i was advised to. sure, we may have been stupid, but we already know that, and dun need it said to our faces anymore.

as long as u stop making us feel bad, u can continue your scrutinization all you want with dr nara, and you'll hear no complaints from us.

as for your research on dr nara, maybe you'd like to allow people to form their own opinions from the info in the threads, everything you mentioned has already been repeated ad nauseum in the threads, so i'm sure they can form their own opinions. until you find some new startling info, maybe you can give us a rest
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Postby aadvark » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 4:48 pm

wteng wrote:lil_ab, you are so funny.... for pple who had rhino and is still not pleased with the height, is it possible to go for fillers as well if one is relunctant to go for anther surgery. or is there anyone here who has done both procedues of using fillers and implants?


fren tried fillers, the result is not as fantastic as an implant. Something about the filler being liquid when injected and have to be moulded and let it solidify.

So i suppose it's quite hard to mould liquid into something really defined and get it to stay that shape while waiting for it to solidify
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Postby sampam » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 5:03 pm

aadvark wrote:of course your points are legitimate, and i have never asked anyone to go to Nara cos he's so cheap etc. I do inform them of the disadvantages compared to some bigger clinics.

it's not so much your logic, but the way you have been putting things across. your last 2 posts sound perfectly rational and reasonable. but some of your previous ones dun. you have been targeted because you DO sit there and ridicule us (albeit indirectly)

it could be that you are a straightforward and direct person, and u r definitely entitled to your own opinions but it is a public forum after all, so i would appeal to you to mince your words, so that the rest of us dun feel like:

1. we are cheapskates hence we went to nara, not considering potential dangers

2. we are bandwagon people, that we went to nara just cos someone told us he's good

3. we are idiots for getting infection. i know some of the infection cases in here are due to some bad personal habits: drinking, smoking, etc.
for me, i didn't gargle as often as i was advised to. sure, we may have been stupid, but we already know that, and dun need it said to our faces anymore.

as long as u stop making us feel bad, u can continue your scrutinization all you want with dr nara, and you'll hear no complaints from us.

as for your research on dr nara, maybe you'd like to allow people to form their own opinions from the info in the threads, everything you mentioned has already been repeated ad nauseum in the threads, so i'm sure they can form their own opinions. until you find some new startling info, maybe you can give us a rest


Its now clear from your post that maybe you and others have misunderstood me.

1. I never implied or meant that you guys went to NARA solely because he was cheap. If I wasnt curious or interested I have better things to do than come on a board and be belligerent lol Simply I wouldnt bother.

2. Didnt mean it in that way more like in this way "many people tend to be a little lazy and might jump on a band wagon especially when enticed without doing their own research and later regretting things" I am not implying you guys/gals do or did this its a very simple generic factual statement not targetted at anyone

3. I never implied you guys were idiots. I merely stated that yes there are some idiots and gave a factual case example. I did not imply that you guys were idiots because some of you im sure must have taken care etc yet still got infections and they sometimes do happen no matter what you do so it would be idiotic of me to call YOU guys idiots because i dont know the specific circumstances. But if that girl in the case for example talked or complained i would tell her she was an idiot and im sure youd all agree.



Yes I am a straightforward direct person and maybe by not being "diplomatic" my comments are being misconstrued ?

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Postby shal0m » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 6:03 pm

sampam wrote:
aadvark wrote:of course your points are legitimate, and i have never asked anyone to go to Nara cos he's so cheap etc. I do inform them of the disadvantages compared to some bigger clinics.

it's not so much your logic, but the way you have been putting things across. your last 2 posts sound perfectly rational and reasonable. but some of your previous ones dun. you have been targeted because you DO sit there and ridicule us (albeit indirectly)

it could be that you are a straightforward and direct person, and u r definitely entitled to your own opinions but it is a public forum after all, so i would appeal to you to mince your words, so that the rest of us dun feel like:

1. we are cheapskates hence we went to nara, not considering potential dangers

2. we are bandwagon people, that we went to nara just cos someone told us he's good

3. we are idiots for getting infection. i know some of the infection cases in here are due to some bad personal habits: drinking, smoking, etc.
for me, i didn't gargle as often as i was advised to. sure, we may have been stupid, but we already know that, and dun need it said to our faces anymore.

as long as u stop making us feel bad, u can continue your scrutinization all you want with dr nara, and you'll hear no complaints from us.

as for your research on dr nara, maybe you'd like to allow people to form their own opinions from the info in the threads, everything you mentioned has already been repeated ad nauseum in the threads, so i'm sure they can form their own opinions. until you find some new startling info, maybe you can give us a rest


Its now clear from your post that maybe you and others have misunderstood me.

1. I never implied or meant that you guys went to NARA solely because he was cheap. If I wasnt curious or interested I have better things to do than come on a board and be belligerent lol Simply I wouldnt bother.

2. Didnt mean it in that way more like in this way "many people tend to be a little lazy and might jump on a band wagon especially when enticed without doing their own research and later regretting things" I am not implying you guys/gals do or did this its a very simple generic factual statement not targetted at anyone

3. I never implied you guys were idiots. I merely stated that yes there are some idiots and gave a factual case example. I did not imply that you guys were idiots because some of you im sure must have taken care etc yet still got infections and they sometimes do happen no matter what you do so it would be idiotic of me to call YOU guys idiots because i dont know the specific circumstances. But if that girl in the case for example talked or complained i would tell her she was an idiot and im sure youd all agree.



Yes I am a straightforward direct person and maybe by not being "diplomatic" my comments are being misconstrued ?


ok ok, points taken, whatever u said abt nara, i think ppl who are reading this forum have already understood. so can we just rest from this battle?
if ur motive for posting is to remind ppl to be more careful in choosing their PS, well, we thank you for ur input. Pls give aadvark a break, he is just a kind soul who provides info to those (esp the real newbies) who want to have PS.

Let those who had ops with nara post their testimonies, whether good or bad, and let the ppl decide for themselves if nara is a trustworthy PS (I won't use the word 'good', as this is quite subjective).

I think someone else had started, so I'll be the 2nd:
I had my chin done and nose implant replaced at nara lst Dec, no infection.
his clinic is simple, just like a neighbourhood GP clinic here. Nothing sophisticated.

I guess if more of us do this, now ppl won't have to read thr the >100pgs to find feedback for their experience at nara.

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Re: nosie

Postby danita » Fri, 11 Apr 2008 6:33 pm

wteng wrote:lil_ab, you are so funny.... for pple who had rhino and is still not pleased with the height, is it possible to go for fillers as well if one is relunctant to go for anther surgery. or is there anyone here who has done both procedues of using fillers and implants?


I'm pretty sure you can't have both fillers and implants at the same time. I've currently got radiesse in my nose. Or at least I *think* I do. I'm not sure if it's disappeared already. My nose looks like it did before. But then again, there wasn't a major change after the fillers either. I never thought it would live up to a proper rhino, but I thought it might be a good stop-gap measure.

I think you should consider revision rhino if you're not satisfied with the height. :)


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