Spoken from a non-crew.infinit wrote:As harsh as the experience may be for new cabin crew, remember that you're working for the best airline. At a time where domestic flights were what most people could barely afford, this newcomer that just broke out of Malayan Airlines had no domestic routes to fly (Changi-Tengah Airbase anyone?), didn't have money and faced colossial competition. But this airline fought hard and grew so strong its the second most profittable airline behind the American-based Southwest Airlines which has a low-cost advantage. And if you ask anyone which airline's the best, chances are this one comes to mind. Qatar, Emirates and perhaps Cathay Pacific are strong competitors but the image of a graceful SQ Girl, with her timeless charm and apt for customer service clad in her kebaya knocks off the competition easily.
They've got real high standards to maintain. You're talking about working with what is quite clearly the best airline for the past 30 years. You'll have to accept that your seniors are going to have extremely high standards of you (and they should have even higher standards for themselves).
Zapping- teaching juniors or simply breaking them down? Maybe its both. I'm doing my National Service. Not with the military though, I'm with Ministry of Home Affairs (okay, its easy to guess where I'm doing my NS with) but in the military and even in here this is common. When you come in as a recruit, sure you get scolded and punished when you make mistakes but it goes beyond that. Everyone comes in with different mindsets, the whole system of being strict is meant to melt you down and mould you into the "model" soldier or staff that performs his duties with his best effort, with consistency and is a good representative of his organisation.
So that's what it is. Don't take it to heart, just take it as en experience and get better each time. I make it sound too easy don't I? Well I can say I've gone through something similar if not tougher when I was newly enlisted into NS. Think of it that way- you're a Recruit. You will have to face all this before you can go up to the next rank. So rather than let it affect you, listen to what they say and work on it but dont let it affect you and bogg you down because there simply isn't anything else you can do.
Take it positively and before long you'll be out of this phase and who knows you may get some really nice experiences and surprises along the way.
You know what the problem is with this view? It assumes that supervisors need to be *ssholes in order to get anything done.infinit wrote:As harsh as the experience may be for new cabin crew, remember that you're working for the best airline. At a time where domestic flights were what most people could barely afford, this newcomer that just broke out of Malayan Airlines had no domestic routes to fly (Changi-Tengah Airbase anyone?), didn't have money and faced colossial competition. But this airline fought hard and grew so strong its the second most profittable airline behind the American-based Southwest Airlines which has a low-cost advantage. And if you ask anyone which airline's the best, chances are this one comes to mind. Qatar, Emirates and perhaps Cathay Pacific are strong competitors but the image of a graceful SQ Girl, with her timeless charm and apt for customer service clad in her kebaya knocks off the competition easily.
They've got real high standards to maintain. You're talking about working with what is quite clearly the best airline for the past 30 years. You'll have to accept that your seniors are going to have extremely high standards of you (and they should have even higher standards for themselves).
Zapping- teaching juniors or simply breaking them down? Maybe its both. I'm doing my National Service. Not with the military though, I'm with Ministry of Home Affairs (okay, its easy to guess where I'm doing my NS with) but in the military and even in here this is common. When you come in as a recruit, sure you get scolded and punished when you make mistakes but it goes beyond that. Everyone comes in with different mindsets, the whole system of being strict is meant to melt you down and mould you into the "model" soldier or staff that performs his duties with his best effort, with consistency and is a good representative of his organisation.
So that's what it is. Don't take it to heart, just take it as en experience and get better each time. I make it sound too easy don't I? Well I can say I've gone through something similar if not tougher when I was newly enlisted into NS. Think of it that way- you're a Recruit. You will have to face all this before you can go up to the next rank. So rather than let it affect you, listen to what they say and work on it but dont let it affect you and bogg you down because there simply isn't anything else you can do.
Take it positively and before long you'll be out of this phase and who knows you may get some really nice experiences and surprises along the way.
I initially planned to go to uni when I finish my NS. I considered joining SQ as cabin crew and doing a degree part time. I'll only join SQ since its my favorite airline. Dont think I'll do it though hehe
Not entirely true, the airline has good reputation but competition is or can be stiff from budget airlines who charge lower fares over short distances.infinit wrote: but the image of a graceful SQ Girl, with her timeless charm and apt for customer service clad in her kebaya knocks off the competition easily.
Firstly most other Singaporean companies aren't very hierarchical. If you've worked in one you'd know. SQ is probably an exception. Singaporeans aren't like the Japanese where seniority is everything everywhere.Strong Eagle wrote:You know what the problem is with this view? It assumes that supervisors need to be *ssholes in order to get anything done.infinit wrote:As harsh as the experience may be for new cabin crew, remember that you're working for the best airline. At a time where domestic flights were what most people could barely afford, this newcomer that just broke out of Malayan Airlines had no domestic routes to fly (Changi-Tengah Airbase anyone?), didn't have money and faced colossial competition. But this airline fought hard and grew so strong its the second most profittable airline behind the American-based Southwest Airlines which has a low-cost advantage. And if you ask anyone which airline's the best, chances are this one comes to mind. Qatar, Emirates and perhaps Cathay Pacific are strong competitors but the image of a graceful SQ Girl, with her timeless charm and apt for customer service clad in her kebaya knocks off the competition easily.
They've got real high standards to maintain. You're talking about working with what is quite clearly the best airline for the past 30 years. You'll have to accept that your seniors are going to have extremely high standards of you (and they should have even higher standards for themselves).
Zapping- teaching juniors or simply breaking them down? Maybe its both. I'm doing my National Service. Not with the military though, I'm with Ministry of Home Affairs (okay, its easy to guess where I'm doing my NS with) but in the military and even in here this is common. When you come in as a recruit, sure you get scolded and punished when you make mistakes but it goes beyond that. Everyone comes in with different mindsets, the whole system of being strict is meant to melt you down and mould you into the "model" soldier or staff that performs his duties with his best effort, with consistency and is a good representative of his organisation.
So that's what it is. Don't take it to heart, just take it as en experience and get better each time. I make it sound too easy don't I? Well I can say I've gone through something similar if not tougher when I was newly enlisted into NS. Think of it that way- you're a Recruit. You will have to face all this before you can go up to the next rank. So rather than let it affect you, listen to what they say and work on it but dont let it affect you and bogg you down because there simply isn't anything else you can do.
Take it positively and before long you'll be out of this phase and who knows you may get some really nice experiences and surprises along the way.
I initially planned to go to uni when I finish my NS. I considered joining SQ as cabin crew and doing a degree part time. I'll only join SQ since its my favorite airline. Dont think I'll do it though hehe
I'm an expat. One thing I've noticed in Asia is the lack of enlightened management practice. Guess what? You don't need to beat up on people to achieve maximum creativity, productivity, and effort. You just need to give them incentive.
All this post tells me (and others) that there are a lot of insecure, ego-tripping, self aggrandizing people who make it to cabin crew who thing lording over the juniors is good, when in reality it shows nothing more than a character defect.
Cheers.
Well you didn''t state that and in case you haven't noticed there are destinations to which both SIA and budget airlines fly to so they therefore compete with each other!infinit wrote:
Plavt: Duh! I'm talking about comparing SQ to other premium arilines. You cant compare SQ to a budget airline as that's not a fair competition. Compare apples with apples lah
This is nothing more than mere 'claptrap' when you are new to job or an environment or job you learn which needs co-operation and encouragement not constant belittlement and chastisement. They may like to do that in the armed forces but in civy street people are entitled to treated with some respect.infinit wrote:
Its more of you're lacking something, you still dont realise it, our organisation doesn't tolerate any substandards so you get screwed.
Big deal! That was a long time ago the country is indepenent and has its own administration (good grief do I have to sate the obvious?) Since Strong Eagle runs his own company in Singapore and deals with local managers amongst others there is little doubt there is substance in what he says.Actually it may not even be an Asian concept like Strong Eagle suggested. It sounds like something that came from the British colonnial times. My grandfather was with the Police Force during the British days. You're kept on your toes. Oh boy, they'd storm into your office and you're doomed if there's something as trivial as dust on top of your shelves.
I didin't need to provide an explanation, Strong Eagle provided it, you simply put forward your imputation which is wrong. I have worked in several different companies and either seen or endured the same thing!infinit wrote:Plavt, I've mentioned clearly that I was merely trying to provide an explanation for why the airline treats its new employees such, not to justify, or provide an alternative solution to them.
He may get more than that, rape can carry the death penalty in the UAE. Let's hope the victim gets all the help she needs and can recover properly, things like this really make me sick.Vortex wrote: Anyway hope the guy got his balls chopped...for taking advantage of the poor gal...
ditto.Punkman wrote:sometimes teaching can be seem as zapping, reminders taken as nagging. I think one has to except that being new, no one is expected to know everything. Take it as a learning experience.
Take gordon ramsey for example. Marco Pierre white made him cry, look where he is today. And he is grateful for what his mentor did for him. sometimes the toughest words helps us to remember better. There should be a balance.
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