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GOUT

Postby Intrinsic Dreamer » Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:35 pm

Hello everyone... :)

What are the symptoms for gout and is there any cure for it?

Anything bout vinegar being useful? :shock:

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pain on joints

Postby Sandreine » Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:44 am

hi there

when you feel sudden jolts of pain in your joints, sometimes it gets swollen and swells up...that's gout. no cure dude/dudette but you can control it thru diet ... and drinks tonnes of water. when you get a gout attack, best thing is not to move around cos it's gonna make it worse yea.

hope this helps.

cheers

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oh sodium bicarbonate and mineral water helps

Postby Sandreine » Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:46 am

it's been said baking powder, mixed with lots of water helps to reduce gout attack. that's what i heard. just sharing, don't take all my words for this. you can google or ask your GP for more info aye?

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Postby Plavt » Wed, 04 Apr 2007 8:42 pm

Try this link provided by the UK government;

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=180

There are ways to perhaps reduce it, I think what you have may have heard about vinegar is an 'Old Wives Tale". Where are you SMS since I know you suffer from it?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:10 pm

Plavt wrote: Where are you SMS since I know you suffer from it?


This says everything I would say and more. I am on allopurinol and have used Colchicine before as well. The best way is to control your diet which for the most part I have. Now about the only time I have flare-up is if I put too much stess on the big toe or walk too much in the course of a day (like a shopping trip with the wife :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gout

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Re: GOUT

Postby ksl » Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:37 pm

Intrinsic Dreamer wrote:Hello everyone... :)

What are the symptoms for gout and is there any cure for it?

Anything bout vinegar being useful? :shock:


You will soon know if you have gout, especially if you get it in the big toe, it is intensley painful like a broken toe..... Many say it cannot be cured, but that is also old wives tales.

I had gout for a very long time from around early 90's to 2005, with elevated uric acid levels, even though i was on a strict diet, it never brought the level down.

Until i had drank vinegar for about two years, and that wasn't why i was drinking vinegar in the first place. I was drinking vinegar because old wives tales said it was healthy, and you better believe its much healthier, than coke or all the other sugar drinks on the market.

So I would recommend long term drinking vinegar,, to breakdown the crystals, within the joints.

The other thing is understanding why you have it in the first place! It didn't get its name, the rich mans disease for nothing, To much protein will cause uric acid levels to rise, so cut down on meat, and other animal proteins, cut out Red wine also.

I believe it is quite a logical thought that vinegar acid, will disolve uric acid crystals, although I'd leave that for the experts to argue over.

I don't believe vinegar will cure it over a night or within a set time period, but i do believe vinegar is an essential element needed by the body, for metabolic performance, and I swear by it, and i do have the proof by past blood counts.

Although everyone is different, I mean I remember taking the happy pill, that really pissed me off! Yet all the scientists says it works, it certainly doesn't work for me!

So like everything else in the world, if it works it works, and if it doesn't try something else, but you cannot go far wrong with vinegar, and i would say any kind!

Although drinking vinegar is much more enjoyable, although there are still many people that are terrified of even trying it.

It is easy to be put off, if you attempt to drink, the wrong sort of vinegar. Not many vinegars are made for drinking, many are made, especially for condiment, which are not recommended for drinking.

Drinking vinegar is specially brewed for drinking, so you can guzzle it down like water, and it tastes refreshing, tangy and delightful, with meals.

SMS's gout must have been a sever attack for him to be on medication, my attack only lasted a month, but the toe joint did explode to double the size and i lost all mobility in the toe. Although today, it looks normal and i have full movement.

There are simply many factors for gout and obviously some will be worse than others.

Although I hate doctors and medications, especially these days of commercialism, whereby many medications are more damaging to the system, then we would like to believe.

So old wives tales work for some, the belivers! and the none believers pay full monty, that's fine by me! It's pointless banging ones head against a brickwall, so my point is, if you try vinegar, make it a life style change, to start seeing any results.

Podagara is the other name, believe me, that sodium urate is only salt crystals, that form in the joints, salt & vinegar lah! Goes hand in hand! It will get neutralised eventually, although some people produce more than others, they are predestined genetically in some cases. :(

So plenty of vinegar will do the trick eventually! 8-)

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Postby Plavt » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 1:17 am

Are you trying to make a quick sale ksl?.................. :P :D

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Postby estrella » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 3:31 am

hahahaa... sale.. so funny... :D

i got gout 3 months back.. and im like 18 ok!! some people was like "what?? u got gout??those kind of thing only occur to old people!"

well... to tell you the truth, when i had my gout, its HELL... i cnt walk...
and i eat all those doctor's pills medicine it dnt even work, and hell, it worsen,

then my mom, crush some chesnut, and put on my toe for like 1 hr, the swell decrease, and by the next 2day, im cured... :wink:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:40 am

Heck of a lot of information here:

http://www.icuredmygout.org/

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_20152545

I haven't tried the baking soda remedy although I would like to but with my HBP it has put me off. After suffering over 30 years off & on, I still have full movement of my toes (when not having an attack) and no growth crystals either. I think the best way for me is the continued watching of my low-purine diet. It doesn't cost any more and for that matter actually costs less than a purine rich diet (hence the term rich man's affliction).

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Postby ksl » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 2:01 pm

Plavt wrote:Are you trying to make a quick sale ksl?.................. :P :D

Ha! Ha! Not my department :lol My department will be when i've rebranded it, with a label for the UK, I've a lot of faith in it as a drink first of all, the medicational effects would only be a plus, and its only a good thing if it helps some people.

There is much research to be done, and i believe the big boys would like to see the vinegar on the bottom shelf, because it is a real threat to the drinks industry.

In fact coke USA have just had samples sent to them! So it just goes to show, that they take it serious, I believe that the famous USA nutritionist, who was researching diabetics, accidently discovered that vinegar reduces sugar spikes, and she is also on Cokes payrole. Although the vinegar culture is very important and not the same, this is were the taste differs and the quality of acids that are produced in the fermentation process.

There are in fact different kinds of gout and different factors, like genetics, that play a role too, it's very painful and disabling if its chronic like SMS must have it, the attacks will occur if he eats to much protien, hence the strict diet.

I was attacked in the big toe and it was the most painful experience I've ever had, the pain took a month to go away, and it left my toe immobile for over 15 years. I had no other attacks, although my uric acid levels were elevated for all the time, even with a strict diet.

It was pure chance, that the vinegar helped me, becuase I used to be a very heavy coke drinker, after my first experience of vinegar, I became addicted to a new life style of drinking it, and one day, i just noticed I had full movement in the big toe. OK one could also say, it was because of 15 years on a diet, who really knows? But it is my opinion and seems logical, that uric acid salts can be disolved by vinegar, and the more one drinks, the more one passes it out through the urine.

The body is very complexed, and my fatty liver, resulted in weight gain around the waist, because the liver wasn't metabolising the fat, due to alcohol damage, Since I stopped alcohol 4 weeks ago, I have lost 2 inches on my waist, and losing 1kg a week once again, although its the fat level of the liver that concerns me, I believe the vinegar will break it down, and I hope i can proof this with the blood test results in 3 months.

Fatty liver is nothing to do with eating fat, by the way! So cutting out fat is not the cure, Fatty acids are essential for the breakdown of fat, so a reduced fat diet helps, the thing to cut out is the dangerous diabetic cause, of high blood sugar, caused by quick carbohydrates, otherwise known as high glycemic foods and beverages, which all humans seem to abuse, because they taste good! Like french fries, rice, white bread, ice cream, there are really many! which leave you hungry, after a very short time.
So the art is finding the good tasting mid range glycemic foods, to reduce the blood sugar and to get the feeling of being not hungry, because the food sugar is released into the blood stream much slower, hence controlled sugar spikes.

My blood sugar count was quite high, and the doctor pointed out, that i was close to becoming a diatbetic, hence the little experiment to reduce blood sugar, quickly and effectively.

Of course the diet will help, but vinegar being an essential element for the metabolic system, will help to optimise the chemical process. When I look back to the time in Denmark, I do recall not having vinegar, because of not eating fish & chips, which was about the only time I had vinegar. what I am aware of is the difficulty I had in losing weight, for all those years in Denmark, while i was training for the triathlon, 4hrs a day and losing just .5 of a kilo a week, was a frustrating time.

Today I train only 3 days a week gym with a 30 minute run every other day, and burn a kilo a week, that I put down to vinegar drinking, along with a sensible diet, which i have always had, apart from the occassional binges of ice cream, and beer.

The older we get the less calories we need!


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