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Vinegar experiment

Postby ksl » Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:26 pm

Please take note that this is not an advert, and no brand is mentioned, any vinegar should work, providing it is brewed and fermented. Although special drinking vinegar is more tolerable Not the distilled or chemical vinegars.

For those interested in the body pH, after i stopped drinking vinegar in November, my urine, became more acid at pH 5, I started drinking again, after these results, which proves, that drinking vinegar does in fact have an alkaline effect on the body, with a new litmus test showing my urine at pH6 it will rise to pH7. When all waste products are cleansed out although pH varies on a daily basis..

I thought it would be a good idea, to share some information, whereby one can see some results of drinking vinegar.

Someplace on the forum, I mentioned that i had gout for over 15 years, or up until, I had started to drink vinegar, for quite some time, I never deliberately drank it for gout, I drank it, because I enjoyed the taste, and it was a damn site much more healthier, than the coke i was guzzling, every day.

Over 30 years ago, I felt so sorry for myself, the wife had ran off, taking my kids, plus the divorce, cost more than an arm and a leg, it cost a liver too! I hit the bottle daily, whisky, gin at least a bottle a day, at weekends, it would be a crate of beer before going out at midnight, never know to this day, how I managed to keep working.

On occassions at the meetings I attended, It was obviouse that I reaked of booze. Anyway, I damaged the liver, it became fatty back in the 80's and i was quite close, to death, according to my GP.

The realisation hit me hard, and I was able to stop for 3 years, without even a smell of a beer, the abstinence, resulted in the shakes for quite some time, fitness training was probably the only thing that saved me, because even back in my drinking days, i could with no effort at all get up and run a 10 mile bash. The liver repaired itself, although not 100% around 95% and i stopped the heavy drinking altogether.

My elevated blood count dropped, to within normal levels.

For a couple of months now I had felt fatigued, and unable to complete more than a 5km run, when i am used to at least 25km, drastic drop. Being the fanatic masochist athlete that I am, I knew something was not right, I was eating a strict 1500 and 1800 calorie diet, and training 3 to 4 hours on alternate days, although I was drinking on a friday or a saturday no more than 4 cans of beer, two 11.6% and two 8% , I never always drank them all in one night, unless I was really bored, it happens.

Anyway a health screen cheack was required, after I had already been through the heart specialist, to find, that I have a beautiful heart, and it beats like music, so quitely she said, at 45 beat per minute, which I was a little shocked over, although I did know, that my training would reduce the heart beat. I had not been running for a while, and the heart should be up to at least 60, I was feeling unfit, and unhealthy, for the first time for over a year.

First hit by bronchitis, now constipation and fatigue, I decide to go the whole route a complete Health Screen Test, and after careful consideration of the results, I can see what vinegar has actually done for my health. Although I will have to have results sent before 2002, so I can prove the difference of uric acid (gout) which was way out of control, with my big toe, unable to bend over 15 years.

The cholesterol levels, I will presume to be higher before 2002, because, I was never drinking vinegar, although at this point in time I don't know, what I do know, is the results, show my Cholesterol, to be very low.

I have decided that the Fatty liver needs to be repaired again, I don't know if this is possible, although the hospital did say, that my liver is blocked with fat deposits, when the liver should filter and break down the fat with bile, and transport it through the blood, to be burnt off as fuel. No fuel no energy, no running! after the carbs have gone.

Instead, it's stored in my liver, and hence 6 inches on my waist and 10kg over weight. Over the next 3 months I hope to improve the liver, by a tonic of pure milk thistle, and I will also increase the vinegar intake, to breakdown the fatty acids, hopefully by the next blood tests, we can see a significant change in the figures.

BTW it's not only alcohol, that disrupts the liver, all toxins do, we breathe them daily, and eat them. I hope this little experiment will interest some people enough, to realise the danger of binge drinking, which most Brits tend to do.

Becuase of the liver problem, this puts me at risk of diabetes, becuase glucose cannot be metabolised, Increasing my dosage of vinegar will help here.

I have not drank vinegar on a regular basis since November and the heart test, becuase I needed to ensure it was safe to continue drinking the vinegar, the heart doctor was amazed at the cholesterol level, being in the very low risk level at my age, of 56.

I believe I can thank vinegar drinking for these results, and now, that alcohol is out of the equation, I intend to get the fat down in the liver, with vinegar and milk thistle, and will post the results in 3 months.

I'm human like the rest, and my addiction is Ice Cream liters of it, and good strong beer, at least 8%, shorts are not too often these days, because I know the liver cannot handle undiluted spirits. :lol: Funny thing is today, in terms of social drinking, the quantities have gone through the roof!

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Postby keith425 » Sun, 11 Mar 2007 4:34 pm

Question is, will everyone react the same way to vinegar? could there a chance that certain people would be allergic to is, as they are to alcohol? after all it goes through fermentation...

Could all the other lifestyle changes plus the vinegar be the real reason for your being healthier?

Read that you're doing a 3 month experiment. i'd be interested to know the results.

Funny thing is today, in terms of social drinking, the quantities have gone through the roof!
Hahaha!

cheers

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Postby ksl » Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:45 pm

keith425 wrote:Question is, will everyone react the same way to vinegar? could there a chance that certain people would be allergic to is, as they are to alcohol? after all it goes through fermentation...

Could all the other lifestyle changes plus the vinegar be the real reason for your being healthier?

Read that you're doing a 3 month experiment. i'd be interested to know the results.

Funny thing is today, in terms of social drinking, the quantities have gone through the roof!
Hahaha!

cheers
I doubt it very much, the first i heard of vinegar helping diabetics, was over a year ago, there is some research results out, that shows, that vinegar does actually break down the blood sugar, quite alot! I believe vinegar is a vital element of any diet, although there is a big difference between the % in drinking vinegar and normal vinegar. When mixed with water!

Drinking vinegar goes through double fermentation, agricultral chemists say, that it does help lower blood pressure, and it does, break down fatty acids. The special brewed drinking vinegar is not very strong, it's made for drinking from various fruits and sorghum.

With regards to my food, I wish it was because of a healthy diet, quite the opposite in fact, having a 6 year old, its McDonalds, diet coke, and ice cream, I mean I have been very fit most of my life, although being ex army i have drunk heavy, with the guys, and especially when i got divorced, and moved to Denmark, well a single guy in Denmark, for over 20 years, clubbing every night, I guess I have not really had a healthy life style, until now, it's only now, that I'm having trouble burning calories because of the liver, even with training.

When i first arrived here in 2004, I started training and drinking the vinegar, I weighed 98kg and lost 1kg a week for 16 weeks training, that was incredible, normally without the vinegar i would lose only .5kg a week, So i have already proved to myself, that it does stimulate the metabolic pathways, as stated in wikipedia.com.
Although if you do not exercise and drinkvinegar, you will not see any real benefit.

The fatty liver doesn't come from fatty foods, what happens are the carbohydrates, are broken down, and are filitered by the liver to be transported to the blood, although the alcohol impairs the liver to do this, so the carbs, are stored in the liver as fat, the amount of carbs I eat for training is quite alot, very little have been transported through the blood for energy, it was all transported to my waist and only my waist, which indicated something was wrong with my liver.

After looking carefully at the results and discussing with the heart specialist the best way to tackle the problem of the high glucose level in the blood, which are basically carbohydrates.

The liver is actually overloaded with carbs every day, and it cannot cope, hence diatbetes, if nothing is done. So from today, I need to change my diet, to slow releasing carbohydrates with a <50 GI....keep training, and drinking vinegar, with Milk thistle to clense the liver, Milk thistle is a liver tonic.

Singapore does have a very high concentrate of diabetes in the population, above normal which indicates, high carbohydrate usage, which causes high blood sugar, which will eventually effect the liver by overloading of fats.
So yes a life style change will be needed now, especially for me, although I hope I can have a beer again in a couple of months!

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Postby ksl » Fri, 13 Jul 2007 2:36 am

Hi everyone well since the 24th of Feb 2007 until today 13th July 2007, I have been strictly avoiding alcohol and concentrating on reducing my fatty liver damage, and reducing my blood sugar levels with drinking vinegar, a glass each day, with each meal.

After getting the results, I was quite excited to compare them with the results from the health check in February. although this time i didn't have all the blood tests done, just those i was focused on improving with drinking vinegar.

The results are quite positive and i will upload them so that you can all see and check the dates, that i was serious about this monitoring, for my own health reasons. :)

This is by know means any guarantee it would have the same effects on you, my testing was based on Noble Prize winner Adolf Krebs in 1953 for is work on the citric acid cycle and his theories, and also the other Noble prize winner in 1964 Dr.Lynen.

Off the cuff, I can say my blood sugar was down substantially, so I am no longer close to the pre-diabetes range.

My fatty liver, which is nothing to do with diet, it's more to do with the dead liver cells caused by excessive spirits, like whisky, gin and rum so the liver cannot do its job efficiently, so the breakdown of sugars are stored in the liver, which effectively increases weight, especially around the mid section, when the liver is damaged.

There are several blood tests taken in the functtion of the liver, and I can quite honestly say, they have all improved. :D

And surprisingly which i didn't expect, was my total cholesterol levels are down again, from 163.8 mg/dl to 143 mg/dl. the desirable range is <200mg/dl anything above is borderline high.

My sincere belief, is that drinkingvinegar does actually work,!

The bad news was my doctor wants me to lay off the alcohol, :cry: until the liver is much better, of course i can't promise that, almost 4 months without a beer, is truly punishing, :cry:

It is the alcohol that is effecting the function of my liver, and yet i never really had many cans, just 3 or 4 strong ones, just to get a goodnights sleep, once a week. :oops:

Anyway for those interested I will post the results soon enough, and i hope that others that do drink vinegar, monitor their blood tests and keep records. I would be very interested in recieving the data, for a book, i am writing on drinking vinegars. :wink:

BTW my dentist said to me, hey vinegar softens your teeth! I said do you have any proof of that!

He said no! I said well there is research on the internet, that shows all soda pop drinks, do actually soften the enamel, and i used to drink quite a few, like coke, and others, so maybe thats the problem and not the vinegar. :P

To be cautious and realistic, drinking vinegar is a very mild acid and weakens with water, although vinegar does actually increases calcium in the body, while other acids in drinks deplete it, eating oranges and other citrus fruits are probably more liable to weaken the teeth as much as any drinking vinegar, by that i mean specially brewed drinking vinegar.

Not the stuff you clean the windows with, or use for disinfectant!

But to be on the safe side, always brush your teeth after meals, and rinse the mouth, when drinking vinegar is consumed.

I will continue to update in a few more months time, with more blood tests, to see if i can reduce this fatty liver even more, by vinegar drinking,

I should have posted my weight on here too, because i was over 90kg on the fist test, and 79.5 today although its got to be the beer, that puts weight on, loads of calories in beer!

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Postby ksl » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 9:46 pm

Here has promised are the new blood test results from the 9th July 2007!

Even my doctor was amazed at the cholesterol levels being further reduced, from the first test, I was more concerned with the blood sugar, which was 100 on the first test, and also all the liver tests results, which had to be reduced. I will try to get my medical results from 87, when i first found out about my liver damage, to compare the blood test from those results, I will also get the uric acid results, of which were very high for over 15 years. Just to prove a point, that the vinegar did actually bring the uric acid level back into the normal range.

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Postby Hedgie » Mon, 16 Jul 2007 3:31 pm

ksl, I'd be interested in trying vinegar for health reasons as well. Can you suggest a brand and where to get it? I went to one Chinese 'health' store near my office and they just had one apple vinegar drink, not sure if it was the ideal type or what.

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Postby prkravi » Mon, 16 Jul 2007 4:15 pm

I guess his signature links to a site which has ALL the info required.

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Postby ksl » Mon, 16 Jul 2007 5:54 pm

Hedgie wrote:ksl, I'd be interested in trying vinegar for health reasons as well. Can you suggest a brand and where to get it? I went to one Chinese 'health' store near my office and they just had one apple vinegar drink, not sure if it was the ideal type or what.



Sent you a PM, you can also find it in many medical halls around china town. I have been having a debate on ACV, it appears many people drink apple cider vinegar, this is ok, providing you enjoy drinking it, it's not everyone that can stand the burn in the throat, Apple Cider Vinegar does have a pH value of just over 3, and stomache acid is 2.5, with over 5% of acetic acid in Braggs, one needs to be very careful with dosage,

Acid reflux and tummy upsets will occur, with Apple Cider Vinegar, especially the raw stuff. The Taiwanese are quite experts in their field, when it comes to health vinegars, although, I haven't tasted a better one, than, the one I use now.

I do try others when i find them, to compare taste, and log the data, for further reference, health is my number one priority, and has been for a couple of years, since I had a complete break down of my immune system, in the mid 80's from heavy drinking!

Alcohol can be a real killer without even suspecting it, and to be honest, i must have been an alcoholic, even though i could do without for a day or two, being single I used to socialise in the pubs and clubs, with other like minded people, when i did stop drinking for 3 years, it was because i was close to having yellow jaundice, and my immune system was shot, in a bad way, I had dt's for well over 6 months and couldn't even hold a cup of coffee.... My fatty liver never really repaired, even though i had been off the beer, it's only now, that i see any real results of the fat being broken down in the liver by the vinegar, another 6 months, and I hope, its down lower enough, were i don't have to be concerned.

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Postby Mical » Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:07 am

Milk thistle is sometimes called silymarin, which is actually a mixture of the herb's active components, including silybinin.
Milk thistles have protective effects on the liver and improve its function. They are typically used to treat liver cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis (liver inflammation), and gallbladder disorders.
Treatment claims also include: Lowering cholesterol levels, Reducing insulin resistance in people with type 2 diabetes who also have cirrhosis, Reducing the growth of cancer cells in breast, cervical, and prostate cancers.
Preliminary laboratory studies also suggest that active substances in milk thistle may have anti-cancer effects. One active substance known as silymarin has strong antioxidant properties and has been shown to inhibit the growth of human prostate, breast, and cervical cancer cells in test tubes.

Milk thistle is also used in many products claiming to reduce the effects of a hangover. Milk thistle can also be found as an ingredient in some energy drinks like the AriZona Beverage Company Green Tea energy drink and Rockstar Energy Drink.
Adverse effects associated with oral ingestion of milk thistle include:
• Gastrointestinal problems (e.g., nausea, diarrhea, dyspepsia, flatulence, abdominal bloating, abdominal fullness or pain, anorexia, and changes in bowel habits).
• Headache.
• Skin reactions (pruritus, rash, urticaria, and eczema).
• Neuropsychological events (e.g., asthenia, malaise, and insomnia).
• Arthralgia.
• Rhinoconjunctivitis.
• Impotence.
• Anaphylaxis.
However, causality is rarely addressed in available reports.

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Postby bao » Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:56 am

wow, sound interesting.

could you recommend where to get milk thistle & vineger? & which brand

I would like to try. I got cholestrol n urine acid also.

thanks

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Postby zhoumulian » Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:30 pm

my mom used to drink ACV for a while (diluted in water) and she found it to be quite helpful, especially for weight loss. have you heard anything about the effects of long-term vinegar drinking on teeth? i've read some reports that you have to be careful, possibly using a straw, to prevent the acid from slowly weakening the enamel.


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