Military or national service (NS) liable males who emigrated overseas before age 11 and have not enjoyed significant socio-economic benefits of citizenship, (e.g. applied for a Singapore Identity Card or studied in Singapore beyond the age of 11), will be allowed to renounce their Singapore citizenship if they do not wish to fulfil their NS obligations.brainchild wrote:See this link provided by the US Embassy... check if the same apply for British... I think the age is before 11 years old... do double check...
http://singapore.usembassy.gov/military ... apore.html
Been thinking about this for a while now, based on my son wanting to join the army at 16, at first i tried very hard to talk him out of it, simply because over the years I could see, he was kind of wanting to be like dad. This worried me quite alot, having not been there for him, because of divorce, he was obviously suffering an identity problem of which I believed he would grow out of.ksl wrote:Military or national service (NS) liable males who emigrated overseas before age 11 and have not enjoyed significant socio-economic benefits of citizenship, (e.g. applied for a Singapore Identity Card or studied in Singapore beyond the age of 11), will be allowed to renounce their Singapore citizenship if they do not wish to fulfil their NS obligations.brainchild wrote:See this link provided by the US Embassy... check if the same apply for British... I think the age is before 11 years old... do double check...
http://singapore.usembassy.gov/military ... apore.html
Well it does look like the main crux is the IC or studied beyond the age of 11!
LT wrote:Hi ksl,
I served my National Service from July 2000 to Nov 2002. No doubt it was a tough time, but definitely a very memorable period too. During these 2.5 yrs, I learned not only on how to fight in a war, very importantly I learn how to be a better person. Surprisingly, NS taught me how to treasure things and people around me and also to be more matured.
If you ask me if I feel I have wasted those 2.5 yrs... I will say no... But if you ask if I wanna go back to that period... NO WAY!!! Ha....
Overall, NS can really help to change a boy to a man...
Cheers...
Did you know, i started shaving the bum fluff at 13 years of age, lost my cherry, and drank booze illegally, becuase i couldn't wait to be a man, and add to that my first tattoo.........You didn't guess! It was (MAM) tatooed, hoping that she wouldn't beat the crap out of me, and she didn't, she called me a bloody fool, and gave me a pep talk on the company i was mixing with, she cared and grounded me until i had better sense, to listen to her.Overall, NS can really help to change a boy to a man...
I think we also have to be realistic here, Singapore is not at all likely to fight any wars, or defend itself, being an important financial hub in the world and a very important strategic port.LT wrote:In Singapore situation, the Government has no choice but to enforce constription. Singapore is an island country with about 4mil population. We do not have any natural resources to support ourselves, and geographically, we are surround by Islamic countries. Thus without enforcing compulsory NS, Singapore will not be able to defend ourselves should problem arise.
Other than the UN peacekeeping mission, Singapore has never sent the army to take part in any overseas wars. We learn from the WW2 that to defend the country, we have to rely on ourselves and no one else. Thus, I will think that the Singapore army are more for defend purposes and not invading (like the US army) purposes.
Hi SMS,sundaymorningstaple wrote:LT, in a conversation that I had with the now retired Winston Chew many years ago (I lived in Seletar Camp for 15 years) at a New Year Social function in the base, he told me that the most that the Singapore Forces hoped for was a 72 hour standoff capability. This capability would allow Singapore's allies the necessary time get here to provide needed allied support. While it's capabilities have increased dramatically since those days, I feel the 72 hour standoff capability probably is still very much a part of the basic game plan.
In regards to the fitness level, ha... more than 90% of the armed forces consists of working adults... and most of their fitness level is no longer there.... I was from the Commando... and my fitness level is worse than anybody out there now....sundaymorningstaple wrote:Sorry my spelling was incorrect but yes. I met him at an Officers New Year's party at the old Officers club there down where the old Saltwater Pool was located (I've actually been swimming in that pool!) Been here a long time!
Yes, agreed it would let the overseas based airforces return but even so, one has to remember that our neighbours haven't been just sitting on their heels either. I think it still boils down to the same scenario (the time duration will probably have changed) and that is why Singapore still conducts 5 power defense exercises and so forth. Otherwise it would pretty much be a waste of resources wouldn't it. They have to hedge their bets as a max call-up of 350K men isn't enough to do much of anything except get in each others way considering the fitness levels of 2/3's of them at any given time. I'm just being realistic here and in no way trying to diss the military.
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