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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 06 Dec 2009 6:53 pm

I guess it will be determined by several things.

1. Your current age. The older you are the worse it may be, but I don't know if or how worse.

2. If you contact Central Manpower Base and let the know the story, and that you are coming back to do your NS, you may well only have to serve the two years.

You are going to have to talk to them though as that is something we have now knowledge about.

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Postby taxico » Sun, 06 Dec 2009 7:30 pm

puppet wrote:okay... so i've come to terms that i might have to serve ns even though it wasn't my choice to. How much will the penalty be?

Jail time?
What kind of jail? Maximum or minimum security? Or military jail?
Fine?

Or just simply 2 years of serving?


i haven't been following your posts. but as sunday's post has implied, you have not given us enough info.

there's no hard and fast rule about what the penalties are; each case depends on the circumstances and not everyone is prosecuted in a court of law.

military jail are for those currently already in the service, so that option's out for you.

while i don't know what types of civilian jails there are, i assume for such an offense it's not gonna be in a super-max style jail.

in fact, you might just be taken away, made to explain, go through administrative procedures, possibly made to pay a non-insane-amount fine, then made to do NS.

do as sunday's said. there's no need to divulge your personal info (NRIC, address, name, etc), give them the full details of how you ended up defaulting (long sob story that's out of your control as you were young), and that you'd like to come back to serve (ie, you do not wish to renounce, you want to fulfill your NS obligations).

the government's not out to harshly punish NS defaulters and hang them up as a warning for everyone else. they have inadvertently done it once before and gotten alotta flak for it, so it's unlikely they'll do it again.

your 2 years in NS will be as fruitful as you make/want it to be. i've known of people who completed bachelor's and grad degrees while serving NS. and others who attained internationally recognized accountancy qualifications.

singapore's not an evil asian country ran by miserly dictators that cane everyone for each and every little infraction, and all residents must be sent for regular brain washing or face internment camps. people here are not brutish and selfish and out to tell on you to the police.

everything works here. the food is heavenly AND cheap. screw that canuck weather! people are friendly here once you know them (like anywhere else) and judging from all the charitable contributions singaporeans make multiple times annually, they are not a heartless lot. (there are always exceptions, even in beautiful canaduh)

for all you know, you might meet someone special in singapore, or make firm friends during NS. you must keep your options and mind opened to all possibilities during your stay in singapore.

i know for a fact that at least ONE person, who had no kin in singapore, in my batch of soldiers, decided to NOT give up his singapore citizenship. i don't know why he did it, but he did it.

however if you go into this NS dealio dreading everything about the process... you might be better off just not visiting singapore ever again, because mentally (and possibly physically later), you might be harmed more than anyone should in such a situation.
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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 07 Dec 2009 7:47 am

Hi Puppet

I was in the army in the early 80's , G2 and eyes only area. This is what I know then but I doubt it changes much.I stand to be corrected
1. If you are a Singaporean Male , studying or working in West Malaysia, Sabah or Sarawak the CMPB will NOT grant you deferment especially you are NS Liable. They will make sure you be drag to serve. This applies to the same rule for those who wants to migrate to the above countries. Your CPF will be STUCK even if you renounce. Though this is case by case . Even you are able to renounce, you will be barred from entering SG for Seven Years.
3. Now, if you are pre-enlist NS liable i.e 13 to 16. You will be fine and go and serve the NS if you did not report before 18. This is from my personal experience though we did not get the fine.
4.If you are 16 to 18 if you did not report or abscond you still be fine and go to Queenstown remand if the judge don't like you . Highly unlikely but the fine will be more heavy.
5. As long as you are under 21, and you report yourself to CMPB , high chance of fine only . BUT if you are between 21 and 30 , you will enjoy a short stay in a hotel with many windows but only ONE BIG DOOR i.e Queenstown Remand.
6. Military Detention Barrack i.e Changi, Molbray and Seletar is only meant for Army Personnel which are for deserters or AWOL while serving among others up to the maximum of 7 years.
7. No 3, 4 & 5 are treated case by case. From my experience not even a fine as long as you call them and explain.
8. The NS Liabilites Amended Law Feb 2005 is a white as a crystal. Go and google to NS Issues in the Parliament 2005 and you will be able to absorb more. Hope this helps.

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Postby s3nt1n3l » Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:17 pm

hi. I am 18 years old 2nd generation PR currently studying in local polytechnic.

The thing I want to ask is, can i still apply for student pass even after i renounce my PR ?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:35 pm

Sure.



Provided which you have done your National Service FIRST. Otherwise, probably not.

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Postby s3nt1n3l » Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:39 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Sure.



Provided which you have done your National Service FIRST. Otherwise, probably not.


But do i need to do re-service if I decided to stay as PR after I completed my NS ?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 10 Dec 2009 6:59 am

Re-service? Do you mean the up to 30 days per year recalls until you are 40? If so, yes.

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Postby marsdog » Wed, 13 Jan 2010 3:39 pm

Hey there. I'm hoping for some answers here.

I'm currently a Singapore PR but my native passport has expired. I can't get it renewed because I have NS liability in my native country.

First, will this affect my application to gain SG citizenship?

And, I'm turning 26 this year and I wonder if I will be enlisted for NS if I get my citizenship. I've been exempted as a PR as a first-generation, so called.

Thanks in advance for all replies!

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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 3:03 am

SG is a sovereign state like your native country in itself. What other country does will not affect another other country laws unless in some cases like extradition agreement. I do not think it will affect your SG citizenship if you have fulfilled all the ICA requirement.
To my knowledge and may be wrong here there are only few countries that vigorously pursue NS liabilities and covers all or almost all loophole SG, South Korea and Israel are the three.If you are from across the causeway, the NS liabilities is very short , if I am not wrong only three months. Does not hurt all compare to 2 years in SG. Might as well serve that short period.
First generation PR is not required to serve NS under the law. You are 26 now I have come across first gen PR seving army but they are much younger age of 22 compare to you during my time in the army.
Only problem is if you cannot renew your native passport then the issue of travelling etc. A call to ICA might help.

Good luck !!

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 6:43 am

Mad Scientist wrote:SG is a sovereign state like your native country in itself. What other country does will not affect another other country laws unless in some cases like extradition agreement.

You can make the same statement regarding criminal record as law is typically different in different countries. Still ICA is interested in this record and this has nothing to do with being sovereign state or not. Moreover, if the said NS liabilities already prevent OP from renewing his passport he is clearly in violation of his country law and this may involve criminal charges. I would expect Singapore authorities may not be that keen of granting citizenship to people who are/or may use it to get away with such charges hanging over their heads.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 7:05 am

Or, for that matter, want to take in Citizens who have not qualms about breaking national laws. Why would Singapore want to let in a known lawbreaker? :???:

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Postby taxico » Thu, 14 Jan 2010 1:33 pm

marsdog wrote:And, I'm turning 26 this year and I wonder if I will be enlisted for NS if I get my citizenship. I've been exempted as a PR as a first-generation, so called.


if you've gained residency status through your studies in singapore, you will probably be called up for NS...

(i've seen guys as old as 28 serve NS. never say never!)

but if you've gained it through your work, probably not. however i will assume it's the former as you are only 25.
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Postby marsdog » Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:13 pm

Thanks for all the replies so far!

I guess I've obtained my PR through work since I was only granted it after I've secured my full-time job.

My native country is Taiwan but I grew up here.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 17 Jan 2010 1:05 am

marsdog wrote:I guess I've obtained my PR through work since I was only granted it after I've secured my full-time job.

My native country is Taiwan but I grew up here.


So it sounds like you gained it as a result of going to school here then. The letter you received while you were in school offered you Landed PR correct? Which meant that you would gain PR upon being offered a job. So yes, the odds of you doing NS are pretty good, although not guaranteed.

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Postby ps07857 » Sun, 17 Jan 2010 4:38 am

marsdog wrote:Thanks for all the replies so far!

I guess I've obtained my PR through work since I was only granted it after I've secured my full-time job.

My native country is Taiwan but I grew up here.



Hey Marsdog, I just wanted to point out that either way (Taiwan or SG) you still have to serve in the military.... although Taiwan's is a little shorter by about 6 months or so. It really depends on where and how your heart feels then huh?


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