Hi there, well, when I accepted the Australian citizenship at 8 years old, I hardly knew what I was doing... It is hard to stay loyal to a country when you are not a first class citizen.x9200 wrote:Twotribez, you probably got to the point majority of people nowadays will never reach. You understood that accepting another country citizenship should also include loyalty and commitment. For vast majority it is just a mechanical procedure to improve their comfort of living or social status.
I did not aim at you. Just general observation.twotribez wrote:Hi there, well, when I accepted the Australian citizenship at 8 years old, I hardly knew what I was doing...
I wonder how much of this is due to the fact that you are aware of such stereotypes and feel because of this insecure/less confident?twotribez wrote: It is hard to stay loyal to a country when you are not a first class citizen.
I mean Australia is a great place but in the corporate workplace, we are slightly disadvantaged, no matter how you look at it. It is a generalisation but I believe it is the truth.
haha no I know you were not aiming at me., Well I am actually doing quite well here in Australia, I don't lack any confidence at all. But I do see favourtism in a certain way for some people which is usually in upper upper management.x9200 wrote:I did not aim at you. Just general observation.twotribez wrote:Hi there, well, when I accepted the Australian citizenship at 8 years old, I hardly knew what I was doing...I wonder how much of this is due to the fact that you are aware of such stereotypes and feel because of this insecure/less confident?twotribez wrote: It is hard to stay loyal to a country when you are not a first class citizen.
I mean Australia is a great place but in the corporate workplace, we are slightly disadvantaged, no matter how you look at it. It is a generalisation but I believe it is the truth.
Many children do return to serve and the government does not let them off the hook easily. At the Singapore Day in London this year there was a huge NS stand and they engaged with children from a young age onwards.HakFromOz wrote:twotribez,
its certainly heartbreaking to hear that you would still fight for Spore in time of war, which makes me think of my son, wonder if he has that kind of loyalty. He lives in Oz since 6 yo, and he is prepared to return to serve NS in 2010. As a parent who have been through NS in the 80's, I know for certain that NS at that time is very tough. With Sporeans living globally, just wonder how many overseas Spore kids actually go back and serve NS, and wonder how hey react to a totally different culture. Any out there who have returned to serve NS, or kids who have returned to serve NS, please share your experience.
Your friend will be in for a nasty surprise then. Unless he got an official exemption for whatever reason (handicapped...) there is no reason why he doesn't need to serve and it is just a matter of time until they catch him. Then it is jailhouse rock for him.puppet wrote:my friend is a PR who doesn't need to serve. matter fact he was born in Canada, moved to singapore when he was 1 year old as a PR. He can currently visit as much as he wants
PHK wrote:chnkyriceboi,
My son was born in New York and has dual citizenship too. It is important to keep up with the laws, nothing we write here is legal advice, we are not attorney's, but I commend you at your age at having found this topic to assist you.
Excellent job on not having a valid Singapore Passport, collecting the Singapore Pink Identity Card or staying in Singapore past age 11. May I now suggest the following, only if it has not already been done, much of it has been posted earlier, have your parents assist you if needed:
1. Declare your intention to renounce citizenship now: send a registered letter, with postcard return receipt for yourself, to ICA and MinDef declaring intention to renounce child's citizenship at age 21. Include a photocopy of your child’s birth certificate, citizenship certificate (if applicable), proof of foreign school enrollment / attendance, proof of departure date from Singapore along with a copy of every page of the Singapore and Foreign Passport. The addresses for this notification are as follows:
Central Manpower Base
3 Depot Road, #02-07
Singapore 109680
Tel# +65-6373-3132
ICA Renunciation Unit
10 Kallang Road, #06-00
Singapore 208718
Tel# +65-6391-6316
2. Simultaneously apply on line for an exit permit now (even though you do not have a valid Singapore Passport and you already left Singapore) so that you come into compliance with their intentionally obscure regulations.
3. My son's MinDef reply letter indicated that we will not be required to post a bond, I resigned my Singapore PR and my wife resigned her Singapore Citizenship already, each case is handled individually but please get the ball rolling immediately. I will pm you the name of a Singapore attorney that you may wish to retain immediately.
There really should be no reason why someone under your circumstances should have to waist 2.5 years of their life (after the first 3 months of NS training it is all about squeezing free labor out of you anyway). Good luck young man!
it's unlikely your son will get a long-enough deferment period to complete his university degree. he might be able to study for a year or two, at most before mindef starts saying NO DICE!DavidTeam wrote: I have a son age 18 and stay and study in Kuala Lumpur since on his 4 years and study International School in KL, and holding Singapore passport and he intend to go OZ for futher study on next year
Since last years Mindef call and he visit back singapore every 3 months shown the exit permit.
1)He apply thro the Talyor college for the OZ university .
and 2 days ago get the letter of offer from University on the next years March , I intend to let him go , question is if I apply for Deferment, I think Mindef will not allow. what I can do with this.
2)He have been call up for medical check up next months, can I apply for deferment?
2)I am holding Singapore passport so for the 2 children(1 boy and 1 girls) and If I apply for derferment, do you think I can do without any bond, since he left Singapore on 4 years old,
3)If I can not get the derferment, I thinking to get lawyer help, can you PM the lawyer
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