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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:21 pm

maysha wrote:Thanks SMS

Two points of clarification.

Re question 1 - what about the mother's citizenship in this particular case. does this have to change?

No.

Re question 3 - my original text was not clear, when i wrote "they then say" i did not mean the parents saying it, i meant the authorities saying it. I know the very probably reaction to this idea but i would still like to know which agency might be most suitable to explore this with first - albeit anonymously.

They might but I wouldn't hold my breath.


The following is taken from this site which I've just found and is extremely good regarding information on male Singaporeans and NS liabilities and related immigration scenarios:

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[quote]7. I am a Singapore Citizen and my child holds a foreign passport, do I need to apply for a visa before he/she can enter Singapore?

Yes, your child would need to apply for a visa before he/she enters Singapore if he/she is holding a travel document of a visa-required country. Please see the Immigration & Checkpoints Authority’s (ICA) website at http://app.ica.gov.sg/travellers/entry/ ... ements.asp for more information.

8. My child holds a foreign passport and a Singapore passport. Can he/she enter Singapore using the foreign passport?


Yes, your child can enter Singapore using a foreign passport. However, he/she will be subject to the usual entry requirements as any foreigner.

However, your child (as a minor Singapore Citizen) can be granted entry on a foreign passport without restriction of stay if his/her Singapore Citizen status is revealed and confirmed during the immigration entry examination. You may call personally with your child at the Citizen Services Centre of the Immigration & Checkpoints Authority (ICA), at ICA Building to request for the endorsement of a “Right of Entry”

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Dear Mr. PHK

Postby flatfoot » Fri, 14 Aug 2009 5:19 pm

Dear PHK,
I would like to PM you and obtain the lawyer contacts to remove my son from National Service.
He is 15mths old at the moment.

And my wife is NOT singaporean.
And I am prepared to remove my citizenship status as well, and will be actively working on it.

Please reply to my PM.
Thank you.
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Cannot PM you.

Postby flatfoot » Fri, 14 Aug 2009 5:23 pm

Sigh..
Realised I cannot PM anyone yet.

Mr. PHK.
Could you email the contacts to me?
tanszeliang@gmail.com


I am Singaporean and Wife is PR.
Son is born in SG. So sadly he is Singaporean.

I have to Make it happen.
As I will not let my son go through that 2.5yrs of time wasting and lossing opportunities.
Flatfoot

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Re: Cannot PM you.

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 14 Aug 2009 6:04 pm

flatfoot wrote:Sigh..
Realised I cannot PM anyone yet.

Mr. PHK.
Could you email the contacts to me?
tanszeliang@gmail.com


I am Singaporean and Wife is PR.
Son is born in SG. So sadly he is Singaporean.

I have to Make it happen.
As I will not let my son go through that 2.5yrs of time wasting and lossing opportunities.


It's only 21 months, and I hope you didn't immigrate to the US as your son could very well be drafted in the next stupid war the US gets into.

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Re: Cannot PM you.

Postby flatfoot » Sun, 16 Aug 2009 7:53 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's only 21 months, and I hope you didn't immigrate to the US as your son could very well be drafted in the next stupid war the US gets into.




Dear Sir,
Thank you for the kind remarks.
I would like to comment that, this thread is not a discussion on wheather is 24months of one life giving to SAF - worth it or not.
So..I will keep to the topic discussion. Will not debate on such.
Thank you.
Flatfoot

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Re: Cannot PM you.

Postby littlegreenman » Mon, 17 Aug 2009 4:23 am

flatfoot wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's only 21 months, and I hope you didn't immigrate to the US as your son could very well be drafted in the next stupid war the US gets into.




Dear Sir,
Thank you for the kind remarks.
I would like to comment that, this thread is not a discussion on wheather is 24months of one life giving to SAF - worth it or not.
So..I will keep to the topic discussion. Will not debate on such.
Thank you.


LOL! This is the nicest way of someone saying "keep your opinion to yourself" I have ever seen on the internet.

@SMS: he can't have gone to the US as he wouldn't learn to be that polite and politically correct there. :wink: My guess: Switzerland or France.

Hi flatfoot. Neutral comment from me: it really is 21 months, not 24.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 17 Aug 2009 7:14 am

littlegreenman wrote:
@SMS: he can't have gone to the US as he wouldn't learn to be that polite and politically correct there. :wink: My guess: Switzerland or France.


:mrgreen: Yeah, guess I'm a good example of that! :lol: But wherever he goes, one thing is for certain, one can only hope that he's protected by people with the same attitude. Then, maybe he'll understand why it is necessary. But on second thought, it's doubtful as it would seem that after 35 years of courtesy campaigns, it's a proven fact that common sense is a missing gene here! :-|

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renounce the citizenship

Postby SG_R » Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:47 pm

will deliver a baby boy soon in Singapore, and just realized that since my husband is a Singapore citizen, my son doesn't have a choice but to be a Singapore citizen when he is born even though i am not a Singapore citizen.

Seems very little thing i can do now, but would like to have some legal view on what to do in the future to get away with the NS... anyone has a good attorney to recommended? thanks! :???:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 27 Aug 2009 7:12 am

First thing you need to do is use the search button and do some research on this forum. Most, if not all, of your question will be answered here already. Typical. This is a subject that will impact the future of your son and you cannot even take the time to do some searching and reading on this forum. You should take up citizenship. You fit right in.

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Postby SG_R » Thu, 27 Aug 2009 8:43 am

it is not helpful...

Dear PHK,

as i can't PM you, would you PM me with the recommended lawyer. here is my situation:

will deliver a baby boy in Singapore soon
Husband is a Singapore citizeship
I'm a PR

thank you very much!

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Postby kraikk » Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:27 pm

It appears we are starting to see out and out attempts to avoid National Service, as opposed to earlier cases of kids who have hardly lived in Singapore but got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. (Neutral comment - I won't judge whether this is good or bad.)

SG_R why don't you simply deliver the baby in your home country? They cannot deny you entry even if you are heavily pregnant. If you are so determined to avoid NS for your son, that is the best way out - give birth overseas and not register Singaporean citizenship for your son. If you read any of the other threads on this issue you will realise that once your son gets citizenship it is a long hard way out of NS.

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Postby Plavt » Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:55 pm

kraikk wrote:They cannot deny you entry even if you are heavily pregnant.


While that's true I think you may find airlines will not carry a pregnant woman past a certain number of weeks......... :-|

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Attorney Experiences - tell us what you learn please

Postby PHK » Sat, 29 Aug 2009 3:04 pm

I have PM all those that needed an attorney a referral but you can shop around by searching the internet too.

The posting and the non-legal advice on this forum is truly excellent.

Please, share your experiences with us so that we can all learn from each other. In putting my personal experience in this forum, with a good outcome in Singapore with an attorney, I have saved some of you much time, money, energy, aggravation and thus we are all wiser.

So please let us know how you make out. Keep your privacy, of course, but let us know the progress of various experiences so that we all continue to learn from each other. Thank you.

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Postby Delgro » Sat, 29 Aug 2009 4:36 pm

PHK wrote:Delgro,

Deferment is different than exemption, you still have to come back and serve.

Interesting outcome if you meant deferment to age 21 and then exemption from NS and acceptance of renunciation of Singapore citizenship.

Perhaps we all do not so much, as the Indians say, it could just be a person's "karma" (your luck).

Hey please do let us know how you make out so we can all learn from each other. Thanks!


Have paid the fine and obtained NS Exit Permit till 17. Required to register for NS when he turns 16 half and deferment will be granted until 21 and another Exit Permit will be issued, pending renunciation. This is still subjective ie. he must not enjoy Singapore privileges from now till then otherwise got to serve NS. My boy left Singapore when he was only 10 and do not hold a Singapore IC, neither did he hold a valid Singapore passport after he turned 11. One parent has renounced citizenship. Hope this info will give some ideas to others who are in this similar situation. Each case is reviewed individually under different circumstances.

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Postby PHK » Sat, 29 Aug 2009 9:05 pm

Delgro,

Thanks for filling us in, I too probably have paid the fine for my son too, just to have a fighting chance at getting the exemption latter.

SundayMorningStaple,

Thanks much for information from Overseas Singaporean. I thought the part about being a Singaporean (minor under 21) being allowed to entry on a foreign passport with a "Right of Entry" stamp to be exceptionally good information as it is possible to have your son's live in Singapore as dual citizens and not even hold a Singapore passport. That is truly exceptional information as with doing that, not taking a pink I/C, and following the advice in this forum in leaving Singapore by age 11, I think people will have a real good fighting chance.

Thanks so much everybody!


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