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Postby loom » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 5:02 pm

i'll like to drop my 2cents wrt jal. seems like there are many misconceptions about what to expect from the company yadda yadda. the bond itself is 15months, inclusive of training. so if u happen to hate the job to the core and decided to leave during the bond period, the damage is S$3000.

currently sin-based crews fly to these countries:
tokyo
osaka (usually 1 night stay. unless you forgo your sleep, forget about visiting kyoto, nara etc. you can still explore the places using your points for free travel. then again, that's another hassle to go thru.)
kuala lumpur (there's one pattern with a night's stay, and another pattern that doesn't have layovers)
san francisco (yes, we still fly there and it's getting more common for sin-based crews although we are still sharing the patterns with hkg-based crews)
new york (high allowances + per diem but extremely tiring)
guangzhou (there's layover but rumour has it that it's going to be a turnaround during summer schedules; meaning no layover.)
ho chi minh

there isn't any water confidence test during the interview. the only time you are required to don your swimsuit is during the training in japan and it's only for a day during the emergency training. if u can't swim for nuts but have the guts to jump into the water with a lifevest, you'll survive.

they do skin check during the interviews. you'll be asked to change into a camisole + shorts. if you've seen the uniform, you'll know how conservative and how the crews are actually covered from head to toes. so if you have some pimple scars etc, don't worry. the reason for this check is to see if you have any visible sign of mental problems, like suicidal scars, gang tattoos etc. you can't have a crew who has a problem up there in the head to be responsible for the safety of hundreds of passengers.

the uniform is dark blue jacket suit with white blouse and floral scarf. everyone wears the same uniform regardless of seniority, and it's only the chief purser that wears a checked scarf in white or black.

however, for sin-based there is no promotion within the company, the same goes with any japanese company in singapore. contract is renewable (subject to the company's whims & fancy) for every 5 years. so in a way, you are guarantee for a job for 5 years but maximum length of service is 15 years. you can get tons of compliment letters and sucked up real well to your seniors, but at the end of the 15 years, no matter how good you are, you'll be asked to leave.

during the interviews, i'll say the good-lookers will definitely get an advantage. yes, as superficial as it sounds, jal look for girls with pretty faces or the girl-next-door look and good skin. the "ugly" ones are probably those who had previous experience in another airline or impressive resume, or they are just goddamn lucky that the company is having mass recruitment and doesn't have enough applicants to fill the seats. then again, even if you have a pretty face to boot, but have a "come-slap-me" kind of look or show attitude to girls taking your height blah blah, you'll probably won't stand much chance getting in.

do dress in formal business attire with stockings and dye your hair black. smile, smile, smile. neat and presentable are the keywords as with any interviews that you are going to. just be yourself, know why you want to join the company and be very presentable. this isn't SQ, so leave your red nail polish at home since red nails are a representation of prostitutes in japan's culture. don't cross your legs too.

something about the company that i think all wannabes should know before taking the plunge. this is a japanese company. everything is about going by the book regardless of how ridiculous some of the rules may sound. and with all asian carriers, being a junior means you have to respect your seniors. the japanese crews are the "superior" ones and we get "bullied" by them at times. of course, you still meet nice crews every now and then, but i'd say the first 6 months of your flying life will be rather difficult to be dealt with. once you know your work (after a year), nobody will touch you.

the singapore base is a rather small base so if you happen to be condemn because of your attitude etc, word gets around the office pretty fast. so you've gotta learn to play your cards well.

then there's always some plus points about being in jal. the thing with foreign base crew is that your command of japanese language isn't that good, which means you can get away with certain situations. and our responsible isn't that big compared to those in sq etc. galley work is so much simpler. and since we get an average of 2-3 long hauls a month, we earn our per diem and allowances easier. although the layovers are long, compared sq where you are required to be on duty at least 4-5 days a week, which works out to 20 days of working on average, at jal, you can earn relatively the same amount with only 10-12 days of duty. for example, if you have 1 new york, 1 sfo and 1 osaka flight in a month, you can earn about $3k. most of the flights we're doing are like 'business' flights, the passengers aren't the touristy, demanding types. meaning less vomits to deal with too.

friggin long post but hope all this helps.

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Postby Plavt » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 5:39 pm

Welcome to the forum loom, very nice post and good of you take so much trouble. Having a studied Japanese language and culture myself, have put things aside for a long time so interesting to note the point about red nails (wonder what the Japanese think SQ girls are when on layover in Japan and dressed in civvies? :o :P )

By tattoos I take it you are referring indirectly to the Yakuza or is this characteristic of other gang members in Japan? As for applicants with something wrong up there, stay on this board long and you will find a few. :) :wink: :P

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Postby blackapple » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 6:04 pm

thanks loom! seems like you know sooo much! were you from jal? :)

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YO!

Postby leen73 » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 6:27 pm

Hi Gwen & xmischax,

Sorry for my super duper long reply... cool to know that SQ will be in march.. never went for their interview before gotta try it out... and xmischax, you are so lucky you have the asset of being young... lots of gals out there will be jealous at least you start off young... hee hee..

Where did you guys take your photoshots, thot of gg to the one at bugis(instant glam) but don wanna spend so much money even before getting in...

Emirates as check with sass atlantic, their recruitment drive will be sometime in march and apr too...

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Postby corines143 » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 8:30 pm

hi there.

You can try going to Suntec city to take the Full length photo only one shot given and no soft copies will be give to you, this cost abt $30. They wil charge you $48 if you agree to take passport photos as well, this will be about 8 passport size photos.

the place is called PICTURE me, next to ENg Wah Cinema next to the THE ROCK, just above carrefour.

I will also submitting my application to JAL to try it out since i really have this passion to join the airline industry..
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Postby corines143 » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 8:32 pm

LILPRAWN - what questions in the form are u referring to? how can I help? mind to PM me so i can help you... or msn me if you like to..

cheers..
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Postby ms'dowager » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 9:51 pm

Hey all! I've sent in my application already! Hope I would get shortlisted! :P Have you girls sent in yours already? All the best! And update us if u do get shortlisted! vice versa of course :wink:

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Postby blackapple » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:45 pm

corines143 wrote:hi there.

You can try going to Suntec city to take the Full length photo only one shot given and no soft copies will be give to you, this cost abt $30. They wil charge you $48 if you agree to take passport photos as well, this will be about 8 passport size photos.

the place is called PICTURE me, next to ENg Wah Cinema next to the THE ROCK, just above carrefour.

I will also submitting my application to JAL to try it out since i really have this passion to join the airline industry..


hihi. you went there to take? was it good? :)

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Postby corines143 » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:58 pm

yea not bad.. they will touch up for you. but then i went to take 1st time, i didnt look good. maybe the angle they take. so i request to re-take another time but had to make payment first. u can try go there . can collect within half an hour.
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Postby tenshi » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:11 pm

Dear loom

Really appreciate your post. It's very detailed and gave me a good insight as to what the culture in JAL is like. I will definitely take your advice and bear what you have said in mind. Btw are you a crew with JAL?

I'm thinking of taking up a Japanese language course, but will that work towards my advantage during the interview? I have basic concersational Japanese language background but I have forgotten most of my vocabulary. Also, is it necessary to do an introduction in Japanese after my introduction in English during the interview? Cos' someone mentioned in this thread that you can do an introduction in Japanese.

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Postby xmischax » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:52 pm

leen73 wrote:Hi Gwen & xmischax,

Sorry for my super duper long reply... cool to know that SQ will be in march.. never went for their interview before gotta try it out... and xmischax, you are so lucky you have the asset of being young... lots of gals out there will be jealous at least you start off young... hee hee..

Where did you guys take your photoshots, thot of gg to the one at bugis(instant glam) but don wanna spend so much money even before getting in...

Emirates as check with sass atlantic, their recruitment drive will be sometime in march and apr too...


hello! i decided to get my deg first before trying out again. that means it`ll be 3 to 4 years.. i`ll be like 21. haha but i`m doing preparations from now!

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Postby xmischax » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:53 pm

ms'dowager wrote:Hey all! I've sent in my application already! Hope I would get shortlisted! :P Have you girls sent in yours already? All the best! And update us if u do get shortlisted! vice versa of course :wink:


good luck good luck! i have a good feeling for you! hehe. i`m not sending in though! getting my deg first :D

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Postby twinkling » Fri, 09 Feb 2007 1:00 am

hello people, i'm getting excited for you guys.
i'm gonna try out for it too! well, that is when i get my passport and full-length photos done.
question: do i need to be dressed formally in the full-length photo?

thank you (:

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Postby ms'dowager » Fri, 09 Feb 2007 1:41 am

xmischax wrote:
ms'dowager wrote:Hey all! I've sent in my application already! Hope I would get shortlisted! :P Have you girls sent in yours already? All the best! And update us if u do get shortlisted! vice versa of course :wink:


good luck good luck! i have a good feeling for you! hehe. i`m not sending in though! getting my deg first :D


thanks sweet heart! awww! why the sudden change of mind again >.< nevermind, pray for me! hehehe :P

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Postby loom » Fri, 09 Feb 2007 3:21 am

hi plavt, my personal opinion is that tattoos doesn't bear any good representation of a person, especially on a female. not too sure if it's of any relation to the japanese secret societies.

blackapple, yes i am from jal. but don't ask me to disclose my name. i'm writing on anoymous basis; not looking at leaving my job any time soon.

hi tenshi, knowing japanese language is an advantage. but make sure if you ever get shoot back with a question in japanese, you'll know how to answer. i do think that getting the jlpt cert is more recognizable. if you are deciding on attending classes, choose one that will help you in taking the jlpt exams instead. even if you do not end up in jal, the cert will still go a long way. by the way, during my batch, less than half the girls had knowledge of japanese language.


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