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can X-PR reapply for PR?

Post by phantomf1 » Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:05 pm

Hi,

can x-PR reapply PR? I given up my PR during study. Now i had married to singaporean and working at singapore by holding an EP. I had tried to reapply the PR. but i've been rejected with the reason that i did not fulfilled the NS obligations when i was a PR(b4). Do u think i still have chance to get the PR status again? pls advise. thanks

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Re: can X-PR reapply for PR?

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:27 pm

phantomf1 wrote:Hi,

can x-PR reapply PR? I given up my PR during study. Now i had married to singaporean and working at singapore by holding an EP. I had tried to reapply the PR. but i've been rejected with the reason that i did not fulfilled the NS obligations when i was a PR(b4). Do u think i still have chance to get the PR status again? pls advise. thanks

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This is exactly the senario that I've been talking about in earlier threads. Parents do their kids a big disservice by making the give up their PR in order to avoid 21 months of NS. This has always been my contention. It is not right for the parent to make life changing decisions for a child because of what the parent may feel. By giving the child the NS, it sure won't hurt him, but may well give him an edge later. It will also give him a choice. OP's parents obviously took the option away, making it difficult for him now especially seeing he has a Singaporean Wife (a lot of males will run into this problem).

Sorry phantomf1. One of my pet peeves is parents who force their beliefs on their kids and in the process take the future choices away from the kids in the misguided belief that NS is not good for the kid (even in a peaceful environment). I am a PR, my son will be doing his NS in about 11 months. We have talked about it from an early age and he and I both agree that I could get him out, we both feel the in the long run his future is much better if he keeps all his options open.

You may be able to get around it, depending on your age now, if you agree to do your NS. Otherwise, I think you will be up the creek without the proverbial paddle. Avoiding NS is a double-edged sword as you have found out.

Good luck.

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Post by phantomf1 » Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:03 am

sundaymorningstaple, many thanks for ur reply. i will think abt it...

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Re: can X-PR reapply for PR?

Post by jpatokal » Sun, 15 Oct 2006 9:21 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote: This is exactly the senario that I've been talking about in earlier threads. Parents do their kids a big disservice by making the give up their PR in order to avoid 21 months of NS. This has always been my contention. It is not right for the parent to make life changing decisions for a child because of what the parent may feel. By giving the child the NS, it sure won't hurt him, but may well give him an edge later.
Unless they die of an embolism in torture training, or die of heatstroke on a forced march, or drown when swimming with a heavy combat belt, or...
It will also give him a choice.
It's not a bloody "choice" to force someone to waste 2.5 years of their irreplaceable youth in what amounts to a brutally disciplined prison camp.
I am a PR, my son will be doing his NS in about 11 months. We have talked about it from an early age and he and I both agree that I could get him out, we both feel the in the long run his future is much better if he keeps all his options open.
But I respect this, although I'm fairly sure sure your son doesn't actually realize what he's in for and will have plenty of opportunities to regret his decision. I can only hope he eventually feels that it was worth it.
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 1:04 am

jpatokal wrote: But I respect this, although I'm fairly sure sure your son doesn't actually realize what he's in for and will have plenty of opportunities to regret his decision. I can only hope he eventually feels that it was worth it.
Actually, my son does realize what he's in for and at least he's got the cojones to do what is right. He was born here, educated here, has used this country's facilities since the day he was born. His girlfriend of several years is Singaporean and like his sister who got married earlier this year, may well decide to make Singapore his home, or maybe not. He, like me, has a sense of moral obligation.........

It's doubtful that he will regret his decision but of couse it is always a possibility.

Obviously, I do agree with you last sentence..
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Re: can X-PR reapply for PR?

Post by Splatted » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 6:35 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote: Actually, my son does realize what he's in for .......
Haven't had to do NS myself, but speaking with friends that have done it overseas in Europe the consensus is that after a 2 1/2 year stint, you come out an "animal" & that you're not the same person.

Is Singapore NS the same?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:11 pm

Splatted wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote: Actually, my son does realize what he's in for .......
Haven't had to do NS myself, but speaking with friends that have done it overseas in Europe the consensus is that after a 2 1/2 year stint, you come out an "animal" & that you're not the same person.

Is Singapore NS the same?
This is one is easy. With the exception of overly pampered kids who have been waited on hand & foot all their lives by maids, it's not that bad. My son-in-law was recently ROD'd and frankly, having known him for the past 8 years, I can see absolutely no change in him. Course, maybe what you are referring to are the special ops types who become commandos, special forces, marines, navy seals, sas, etc. Yes, these are brutal, and only the best make it as it should be. The average grunt finds it a skate in the park, especially now days. Hell, in singapore you even have aircon barracks, reasonable food and can come home often (they even let mommies/maids do the washing and ironing of uniforms - how pansy-arsed is that!)

The biggest change that I noticed is a better respect for authority (well, better than they were ......... )

NS in Singapore is now around 21 months unless you are obese. Anybody who grew up with a modicum of physical exertion will not have a problem. That's the problem here though what with maids & mommies doing everything for the kids except for pre-mastication of the food (maybe I should even take that back from what I've heard). We haven't had a maid since my eldest one was 2 years old - son has never had the benefit - nor have we ever had airconditioning except in secondary school and shopping centres .

I think what you may be referring to is those guys who did military service and, like myself, saw active combat (in my case 18 months in the NAM). Yes that does change a person without a doubt......... :-k
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Re: can X-PR reapply for PR?

Post by ProvenPracticalFlexible » Tue, 17 Oct 2006 6:59 pm

Splatted wrote:
Haven't had to do NS myself, but speaking with friends that have done it overseas in Europe the consensus is that after a 2 1/2 year stint, you come out an "animal" & that you're not the same person.
I did my military service some 15 years ago in Europe. Naturally I didn’t enjoy it during the time, but some 5 years after I started to see the positive things with it too. It is an experience that teaches a little discipline and respect to authority. Plus without being a huge patriot myself, I still think that if you live in and benefit from what the country has to offer, you should participate in somehow. It’s kind of a national level team building.

During the peace time like it is in Europe and Singapore, it is just an educational experience with camping and some exercise, that can’t do much harm to any normal young man. 21 months is a little bit longer than I did, but if everyone does the same time, it is fair for all. Of course when you are young it feels like eternity, but later you notice it is actually relatively short time compared to some 12 years in school before even going to university.

Maybe Singapore government should do the same practice that I think Switzerland has or had. Male citizens or PRs who haven’t done their NS, would pay higher income tax. No real Singaporean would voluntarily pay extra tax for rest of their lives, compared to that 21 months is piece of cake. :lol:

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Re: can X-PR reapply for PR?

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 17 Oct 2006 8:52 pm

ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote:Maybe Singapore government should do the same practice that I think Switzerland has or had. Male citizens or PRs who haven’t done their NS, would pay higher income tax. No real Singaporean would voluntarily pay extra tax for rest of their lives, compared to that 21 months is piece of cake. :lol:
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I like it! :cool:

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Post by riversandlakes » Wed, 18 Oct 2006 3:20 am

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