Reviving this thread, hope you guys won't mind.Pete S wrote:I currently reside in Sg on EP (employment pass). My family is on DP (dependant pass). I want to apply for PR (mostly to enroll my children in local schools and contribute to CPF assuming the US government doesn't tax me anyhow on those contributions in which case CPF doesn't help me defer taxes), but don't want my son forced into NS when he turns 18.
Now, since I know this is a sensitive topic, let me just briefly state my position clearly: My son is 1 (citizen of USA). We may stay in Sg for 20 years or 2 years (I am employed as a local - i.e. no expat contract with a time commitment). I don't know. My goal is 20, but my company may relocate me or I might get a new job or who knows. If we are here for 2 years, then I don't want my son being forced to return for NS. What if the country we move to or the one we are from (hypothetically) have mandatory NS also? How can he serve in both places? If we are here for 20 years, then NS is no problem. I don't have a problem with him protecting a country that he lives in, loves, etc. But, if he leaves Sg when he's still a child, then I do not agree with the requirement that he returns for NS.
Background (for people not familiar): If I switch to PR from EP, then my EP gets canceled along with the DPs tied to my EP. Thus, all of my family will be without immigration status unless I move them to PR, Student Pass or Long-Term Social Visit Pass (LTSVP).
Okay, so, here are the questions I am faced with...
1. Can a 1-year old apply for a Student Pass so he can remain in the country and not get deported?
2. How long can he stay on a LTSVP? My understanding was that this pass was only valid for 6 months and could not be extended beyond that. What then? He has to leave and re-enter?
3. If I apply for PR for everyone in my family but him, will he be able to get PR status later down the road if we end up staying around for the 20 years I mentioned above? Would he be able to get an EP (or PR) should he return in his 30s (e.g. leaves at 6 years old and returns when he's 33)?
4. What are the long-run implications of denouncing PR (in the event that the answer to #3 is not favorable and I get him PR now)? I don't want to limit his future options. I think Sg is great and would hate to make it difficult for him to work/live here in the future should he so desire. But, he is a baby and I don't know what his future holds, so I want to keep it as flexible as possible.
I will add that the difference in benefits for Citizens and PRs seem fairly substantial. It does strike me as odd that both are required to make the same commitment, yet receive different levels of benefits. Perhaps I'm missing something.
Thanks.
If your son moves overseas after having completed full-time NS, he can (has to) apply for an Exit Permit to stay there for periods of over 6 months. While the EP is in force, he will not be called up for reservist duty.theveed wrote:Hypothetically, if we move (or my son gets a job) halfway across the globe when he turns 22 or something, it's highly improbable that he can get off from work annually to fulfill that duty that NS requires.
boonyuan wrote:Good day everyone!
To start off i am a Singaporean Citizen(SC) by birth, whom fell in love with a lady from Hong Kong SAR and thinking of marrying her. I know that she does not need to give up her HK SAR citizenship to gain SPR if she married me. But does she need to stay in singapore after that or is she allow to continue working in HK SAR?
This is a grey area and we can not tell you what things are going to be like in the future. Fact is that CURRENTLY she would have to renew her re-entry permit every five years. In order to do so she has to show her income statements and CPF details. Having said that, they do currently allow spouses of PRs to re-new online while overseas with your overseas payslips. So the bottom line is although they always only emphasise Singapore Pay-slips etc., she should be able to renew even if she still lives overseas.
And if both of us go to work in HK SAR and i gain a PR status in HK SAR, do i need to give up SC?
NO! This would actually make you stateless. PR only means you are allowed to live and work there without restrictions (execept military and other sensitive areas). This has nothing to do with your citizenship. So regardless of where you are PR, you always keep your citizenship. If you were to take up HK SAR citizenship though, you would have to give up your Singapore Citizenship (which I would not recommend) as with the PR you can pretty much have the best of both worlds.
Thanks and really need helps here.
It doesn't matter as long as she has a valid Marriage Certificate and is also able to submit/furnish your NRIC as well. You would not be required to furnish anything other than your NRIC. However, she may be required to return to Singapore if requested by the authorities.An applicant who obtained SPR status under the sponsorship of his/her SC or SPR spouse is required to produce their original marriage certificate and the Singapore identity card of the SC/SPR spouse.
This would be required if you gained PR by the PTS scheme but if gained PR by being a Spouse of a Singapore citizen, production of income and CPF statements aren't required. Just Valid Marriage Cert, IC card are requiredlittlegreenman wrote:boonyuan wrote:Good day everyone!
To start off i am a Singaporean Citizen(SC) by birth, whom fell in love with a lady from Hong Kong SAR and thinking of marrying her. I know that she does not need to give up her HK SAR citizenship to gain SPR if she married me. But does she need to stay in singapore after that or is she allow to continue working in HK SAR?
This is a grey area and we can not tell you what things are going to be like in the future. Fact is that CURRENTLY she would have to renew her re-entry permit every five years. In order to do so she has to show her income statements and CPF details. Having said that, they do currently allow spouses of PRs to re-new online while overseas with your overseas payslips. So the bottom line is although they always only emphasise Singapore Pay-slips etc., she should be able to renew even if she still lives overseas.
And if both of us go to work in HK SAR and i gain a PR status in HK SAR, do i need to give up SC?
NO! This would actually make you stateless. PR only means you are allowed to live and work there without restrictions (execept military and other sensitive areas). This has nothing to do with your citizenship. So regardless of where you are PR, you always keep your citizenship. If you were to take up HK SAR citizenship though, you would have to give up your Singapore Citizenship (which I would not recommend) as with the PR you can pretty much have the best of both worlds.
Thanks and really need helps here.
Yes.satishbhawra26 wrote:By first generation singapore PRs, does that mean the ones who made the application to be a PR?
Are you talking about your application or PR status itself? For the application you must have a Singapore address for communications, at least. ICA will want a letter from your employer as well.Additionally, with PR applications, does it become invalid if you do not live in Singapore for extended periods of time
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