How to improve 3rd world/developing country

[ksl]

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[ksl]

Seriously, you make many good posts but sometimes it come across as antagonistic towards USA or Britain

I wouldn't call it antagonistic, more frustration and disappointed, That in Magret Thatchers day, when unemployment was high, back in late 70's, she told everyone to get off their back sides and travel to find work, many of us did, leaving our properties behind, only to return to a policy of segregation.

My area was designated, the official dumping ground of cons, released from prison, sex offenders, rapists, druggies, alcoholic, with my home getting trashed on more than one occassion and my 82 year old mother getting mugged on her doorstep.

The police never did anything, to the culprits, apparently because they were police informers, although I did deal with them. I think its very difficult for anyone to undertsand, if they haven't lived under the same conditions of Anti social behaviour, petrol bombing and shootings, with the police not accepting the racism, that was going on at the local shop.

It cost me 80,000 pounds, loss of my birth right home property, while they paid an imigrant 180,000 pounds in compensation to move away. It was the governments doing and the area is still the same today instead of demolition little chicago, they just keep throwing millions of pounds into it.

Its an estate of misfits where all anti social clients are located to from other areas of the City.

Yes one can say I'm not on the best of terms, with UK, It was actually Denmark that gave me rehab, after my military service, becuase it wasn't available for those that paid for their contracts back.

Only in the last 3 month an ex vet from Iraq killed all is family in Newcastle, becasue the soldiers are crapped on when they are discharged.

The UK government have much to answer for, for the social welfare of the veterans, they are so neglected and left traumatised, by experiences they have been through.

The last person to be killed by American friendly fire, was recorded on the flight recorder, the British soldier died, and at this moment in time the MOD and the Americans are not handing over the video to the courts, so this family can seek, the truth.

This is often the case, were soldiers get away with killing their own troops, however this would most definately not happen in the British Army, even in Ireland I know of guys getting 3 years prison for an accident, which is basically negligence, on someones part.

So yes I am earthfriendly and people friendly, disappointed, and frustrated, with UK, policies.

Wars are not just started, they are planned! and good people die!

Oh here's the link, the video tape of the friendly fire is now realesed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6333853.stm

[ksl]

300 Billion was what its cost up to now, sorry my mistake

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php ... Itemid=182

ok KSL...as far as corruption...america is far better a place to do business then most places...it's the only place where companies will have specific anti-nepotism policies (they will not hire you if you are a current relative of someone already employed. in order to succeed and become wealthier then you could ever imagine...you don't need connections and you don't need to come from a high society. you can really be a rags to riches story. this happens to many, many people. In China, if you don't have the proper connections you aren't going anywhere in life. u have to win the genetic lottery plain and simple. same goes for most asian countries.

Yes I do agree with you on this, and the rags to riches stories can happen in many places of the world. Look at Richard Branson.

I may appear to see things black or white, right or wrong from other peoples, perspective, but believe me it's only to cut down on the typing, generalisation and observations, simply because the details don't really matter,, discussing them isn't really going to change anything, but for a brief moment we do get a glimps of ones actual awareness, and interests.

I love politics, and discussion, although I have never taken sides, and i have never voted either, but wished that life could get better for everyone.... I don't usualy complain about anything, although this forum would dry up, if someone didn't throw a spanner in the works now and then!

UK have always had a different political agenda, that doesn't include sheep (meaning the working class) I mean lets be honest here, and compare the colonies of an Empire, with UK, who are moving forward and who is going backwards, no matter what government is in charge, the UK is nothing more than a real life TV satire.

We really don't live that long, although I have no idea what the odds of survival are when one is over 50, but everything becomes high risk and we must pay the premium in old age.

In UK, it is better to have never ever worked at all! Then you can just sit back and screw the system, which millions of people are doing from all walks of life, the government have created a black hole, becuase no one wants to work for a 5 pound an hour, that is 20 cigarettes for those that smoke.

The black economy in UK is unbelievable.... and I know both employees and employers, exploit the situation.
The legal side is so damned old and outdated, that a court case can take several years, while they do their damn research

For those that genuinely work hard all their lives and never claim benefits, it's a kick in the face, crime pays and literally millions are cheating the stupid government, that just sit down creating fancy plans, god knows who runs the Country.

We have an underground system which must be the oldest in the world, and we pay top $ for the privilege of climbing into the dustbin, in comparison.

The amount of money donated to third world countries, just to save face in the international arena, is a joke. Charity begins at home!

I believe 5 million Brits have left UK in the last 5 years, and 2.5 million
foreigners have been legally accepted, with another 6 million illegal entrants. and now we see the Rumanians arriving for their meal tickets.

Just ranting away, to myself really! Thats our boring it gets here sometimes! Although I am back in training

[huggybear]

That cost of war is based on congressional appriopriations only. there are other opportunity costs. The solider who is now making $20,000 while in Iraq could be have been making $100,000 as a scientist for Roche Pharmaceuticals. The loss of income is a hardship on the family and they have to cut down on consumer spending. Plus in his line of work he could have created a new product (cure for leukemia??). The true cost to society is more a long the lines of $3 trillion to be honest i think.

As for the UK, they feel a sense of entitlement (to me it seems) to have the gov't provide for "services" for "free." but then i don't know why all british people have bad teeth if the dentist is free.

[ksl]

That cost of war is based on congressional appriopriations only. there are other opportunity costs. The solider who is now making $20,000 while in Iraq could be have been making $100,000 as a scientist for Roche Pharmaceuticals. The loss of income is a hardship on the family and they have to cut down on consumer spending. Plus in his line of work he could have created a new product (cure for leukemia??). The true cost to society is more a long the lines of $3 trillion to be honest i think.

As for the UK, they feel a sense of entitlement (to me it seems) to have the gov't provide for "services" for "free." but then i don't know why all british people have bad teeth if the dentist is free.

As for the UK, they feel a sense of entitlement (to me it seems) to have the gov't provide for "services" for "free." but then i don't know why all british people have bad teeth if the dentist is free.

Dentists are not part of the National Health System anymore, so there are no freebie's for employed people, although those on what they call income support may qualify I think, or are getting full disability allowance. not sure these days, because i have never had to claim it.

The problem with it, is if you have paid up your national insurance stamps, you don't qualify. Many assholes, that have never worked in their lives and can con the system, for full disability, get the full monty, including a new rented car, every 3 years.

Its a fcuking disgrace! That assholes to lazy to work and are good con artists, beating the system, should be allowed to get away with it, the government spends 10 times more on the civil service, to track down the fraud.
NHS have dropped to an all time low, that today, it is a danger to your health! With all the talent working for private and normally ovrseas. In my opinion its time to scrap benefits altogether!

The UK would save billions and hopefully many immigrants, would think twice. It is so bad today, that many people with mental health problems, normally ex solderiers needing rehab, in my mind, are left to fend for themselves, become alcoholics, druggies, or end up killing someone they seem to blame, for the frustrations, of civil life.

Once your suffering Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome it's not easy, to handle, it effects people so differently, personally I would seek out adrenalin rushes, by visiting dangerous places, with high risks of getting mugged.

One knows ones own capabilities and the urge to reach the extreme rush, is a dangerous, game, the violence increases and you know its time to seek help, before one kills someone or kills themself.

Mental hospitals have been closed down in UK, and many are left to walk the street, normally they end up in prison. UK is actually worse off, than the 3rd, world, there at least charity agencies are trying to help out.

The documented evidence is available, vietnam was a prime example of PTSS, Are you also aware of the experiments that went on, with the drugs used, to keep people awake in battle zones.?

Although I've not heard of it in the British forces, although Americans were treated has test samples.

This kind of thing bothers me

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6334769.stm

It is sad, and accidents do happen, although 9 British have been killed by friendly fire. I know for a fact, that Brits get jail terms for negligence, so these kind of cover ups are disturbing to me, especially when i used to instruct aircrew, in aircraft recognition and armoured vehicle recognition, one can never believe what the media write.

But according to the link, the attacking pilots recognised orange rocket launchers on the vehicle before the attack, if thats the case, then it is obviously negligence and pilot error, that caused the incident.

If he's close enough to see orange rocket launchers, he is most certainly close enough to recognise the armoured vehicle, by shape and size compared to the launchers, themselves.

Errors like this happen, and it is hard for families to deal with the truth. It's in nobodies interest for the pilots to be punished, but in this kind of work, trigger happy people need to be punished and professional negligence is punishable.

Circumstance can be a result of over work due to man power failures, in that case it is not the pilots fault, but MOD's no matter what Country, and it does appear to be the Ministry of defence that are afraid of the findings, that's why there is a reluctance to reveal the video in Court.

The problem with military life, is that it is the ideal place to hide, if you are a blood thirsty killer, doing it for the kicks. Just like teachers with paedophile tendancies, seek to work with children, if you understand my concern. and I am not being biased, I would feel the same if Brits were killing Americans. Oops! Sorry I've drifted off the topic!

[DimWit Kid]

In an attempt to bring the topic back to the original one....

i agree with KMS here (is it bad to revive old topics that are 4 mos old??)

chinese investments = russian roulette.

i don't think it's true that you have to have a benevolent dictator in power to achieve growth. you just need good intentioned people in government that crack down on corruption and end government subsidies. look at poland or czech republic.

Okay you may be correct. Also India may be a case in point for you. But I still believe, if Indonesia (and China) is concerned benevolent dictatorship is what they needed. There will be no end of corruption and government subsidies, without a strong governance, and in an environment where huge diversity is part of the game, this can only be achieved with that style. I hope I'm wrong and SBY can do it for Indo, but as I said earlier I believe we should have a stronger (and longer lasting) government.


bottom line is centralized planning by government does not work at all that is why communism fails. look at disparity btw east / west germany. you must subject your people to market forces and accept some people will fail and some will succeed.

the only reason china is successful is because all corporations drool looking at market of 1 billion people to consume their products. how is china different then iraq other then having a billion people in a closed economy?

I shouldn't pick a fight here, but here are the difference other than 1 billion people:
- China is governed by progressive communist, government that can hold its control over the whole country.
- Iraq is governed by a bunch of puppet who can't even secure their cities.

[huggybear]

I shouldn't pick a fight here, but here are the difference other than 1 billion people:
- China is governed by progressive communist, government that can hold its control over the whole country.
- Iraq is governed by a bunch of puppet who can't even secure their cities.

I think this is incorrect. When Sadaam Hussein was in power he used the same tactics the chinese government uses to control the people. Torture / kill dissidents. Control the media / press. And progressive communists? what are you joking? china has about 500 million unemployed rural workers that they don't do anything for! china's economy was collasping and it had no one to turn to for help as Russia collapsed and couldn't provide aid.

To be honest I can't fathom why the US invaded iraq especially since all the reasons were fabricated by george bush (WMDs, yellow cake uranium). The only reason i can come up with is that they have oil and bush is an oilman. They obviously had no nuclear program.

oh, and can you name the # of countries the US has attacked that have nuclear programs? Z E R O. that is why countries strive to develop nuclear programs despite having a population in poverty. it gives them the ultimate bargining chip.

[Plavt]

As for the UK, they feel a sense of entitlement (to me it seems) to have the gov't provide for "services" for "free." but then i don't know why all british people have bad teeth if the dentist is free.

Dentists are no longer 'free' in the UK; what you are talking about is the National Health Service more popularly known as the NHS under which the service to the patient is free at the point of use (nearly everybody in the UK pays a National Insurance or N.I charge which is automatically deducted from our wages - credited automatically if you are unemployed). Under this system the dentist send off to the authorities for the cost of treatement. However, many thanks to that bitch Thatcher found or at least found it economically unviable. The result is most dentist now no longer to NHS work unless in the case of some you are unemployed, retired, disabled and in reciept of certain state benefits. Hope this clarifies the issue albeit off topic.