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Postby jpatokal » Fri, 18 Aug 2006 8:32 pm

earthfriendly wrote:Asians drove out the colonists as they wanted self-rule and self-determination.

India did. Japan and Thailand did one better and never had them in the first place. The rest of y'all had independence handed to you on a silver platter.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 18 Aug 2006 9:32 pm

elephantears wrote:Live in present lah! No need for living in the past'cause you only go mad. Live now and see what goes on eeverywhere in the world, nothing change so far. The present moment world events will become history also, so do something aboutit before it gets too late. Look into the events of Darfur, Israel and Palestine and Lebonon, Iraq etc etc. No need wasting your unvaluable time for history because it is gone and finished.


Always remember, "Those who ignore their history are doomed to repeat it." Wise words that you should listen to. I also think you really meant invaluable and not unvaluable time. But on second thought, reading your posts, I would have to agree, your time would be "unvaluable" (of no value whatsoever).

earthfriendly wrote:Asians drove out the colonists as they wanted self-rule and self-determination. They want to be the one who decide the fate of their own country. Wasn't it a great opportunity to do so after the Europeans left, work out the kinks and carve out their own territory/niche without the colonial masters lording over them? If they had desired British to interfere, then why force them out :???: ? Can't have the cake and eat it too !


You might want to get out your old history books for a while EF. I don't think any S.E.Asian country that was formerly a colony actually fought for and won their independence. I'm not even sure India can be said to have fought for and won their independence.

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Postby oystereggs » Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:03 pm

"Live in present lah! No need for living in the past'cause you only go mad. Live now and see what goes on eeverywhere in the world, nothing change so far. The present moment world events will become history also, so do something aboutit before it gets too late. Look into the events of Darfur, Israel and Palestine and Lebonon, Iraq etc etc. No need wasting your unvaluable time for history because it is gone and finished."

Elephantears, anyone with a minimum IQ will agree with your comments on this forum. It is certainly futile to waste so much energy with the past events. How do we know for sure the history books are telling us the truth about every single historical moment. My history Prof. always told us not to believe everything we read. No wonder the world is full of mad people who are petty enough to insult other peoples' spelling abilty. They are so small minded that they cannot see anything beyond their own arseholes and blame others for everything that happens to them in their meaningless, futile rubbishy lives.

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Postby Plavt » Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:32 pm

oystereggs,
How do you think different societies and civilizations evolved? History is not 'gone and finished', history repeats itself so by examining the past some strive to improve the future.

Your post is I feel somewhat glib and although your history professor told you not to believe everything you read that does not mean history books are not telling you the truth, where else would information come from? Yes there will be mistakes, omissions, errors alteration of facts and alike but that is something we have to live with.




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Postby earthfriendly » Sat, 19 Aug 2006 1:53 am

earthfriendly wrote:

Asians drove out the colonists as they wanted self-rule and self-determination.


Rephrased to "Asians wished to get rid of the colonists as they desired self-rule and self-determination".

jpatokal wrote:
earthfriendly wrote:Asians drove out the colonists as they wanted self-rule and self-determination.

India did. Japan and Thailand did one better and never had them in the first place. The rest of y'all had independence handed to you on a silver platter.


Of course, not all Asian countries were colonized by the Europeans. I was only referring to those that were.

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Postby renter » Mon, 21 Aug 2006 9:34 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Always remember, "Those who ignore their history are doomed to repeat it." Wise words that you should listen to. I also think you really meant invaluable and not unvaluable time. But on second thought, reading your posts, I would have to agree, your time would be "unvaluable" (of no value whatsoever).



"Those who remember their history are also doomed to repeat it."

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Postby oystereggs » Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:45 pm

Plavt wrote:oystereggs,
How do you think different societies and civilizations evolved? History is not 'gone and finished', history repeats itself so by examining the past some strive to improve the future.

Your post is I feel somewhat glib and although your history professor told you not to believe everything you read that does not mean history books are not telling you the truth, where else would information come from? Yes there will be mistakes, omissions, errors alteration of facts and alike but that is something we have to live with.




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Plavt, with all due respect to you, I feel rather sad after reading your post.

Can you please supply me with one very good example to support your above statement. What positive lessons have we learnt from history so far? Look at our present world and its conflicts.

I totally and completely respect what my history prof told us and I will stick with what I have said earlier. History is our past and it is gone and finished. No need to awaken the horrible memories of the past again. Live in the present and don't let the present moment become horrible memories for the future generations.

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 22 Aug 2006 1:12 am

oystereggs,
Think of the more positive events that occurred in history such as the discovery of penicillin, blotting paper, pasteurization, the industrial revolution, the eternal combustion engine, the development of laser surgery, the discovery of flight amongst others. These events all become history and can be further developed creating even more history. Since we still use that information it is hardly gone and finished.

Maybe history is something you do not need in your life; I felt much the same when I was younger and you couldn't have found somebody lazier than me in the history class. However, I would say don't confine yourself to the horrors look for the more positive if of course you have the time which so many of us don't.

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Postby renter » Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:27 am

oystereggs wrote:
Plavt, with all due respect to you, I feel rather sad after reading your post.

Can you please supply me with one very good example to support your above statement. What positive lessons have we learnt from history so far? Look at our present world and its conflicts.

I totally and completely respect what my history prof told us and I will stick with what I have said earlier. History is our past and it is gone and finished. No need to awaken the horrible memories of the past again. Live in the present and don't let the present moment become horrible memories for the future generations.


Well, what you said is absolutely reasonable, but I hope you don't live in illusions.


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