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Postby Florian » Fri, 05 May 2006 3:40 pm

Dear Forum,

if I can get any help regarding the following it would be much appreciated.

I have been here for 2.5 months now but I haven't got a work permit,S-Pass etc yet.....

Of course,the authorities don't give any reason..

Okay, I am a A-Level graduate from Germany and finished my apprenticeship (2.5 years) last January. I am now a state-approved shipbroker which is in GERMANY the highest degree in this field!

After having finished my exams my German employer sent me over to an independent Singaporean shipbroker. Now,the Singaporean shipbroker tries to apply for any forms of work permits but forms like WP,EP and S-Pass has been rejected. Even the appeals failed...

I know that Singaporean authorities are quite strict in approving applications for foreigners especially when I don't have any real work experience.That means they don't see any reason for the Singaporean company to take a foreigner instead of a local. I get the point!

But I don't agree on the point that in these times of globalisation and whatever a young well-qualified man is not allowed to work in Singapore which calls its economy - a highly developed and international market-based economy.

I am just frustrated without any salary,Singaporean bank account, rights etc. blabla...

So if you could help...however...

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards
Florian

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Postby 123kalyan123 » Fri, 05 May 2006 5:02 pm

On what visa r u here, y dint u apply for a job.

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Postby Florian » Fri, 05 May 2006 6:49 pm

I am still a tourist only...for the last 2.5 months now...

I have a job,I have a Singaporean sponsor...but no chance at all...

We are waiting for the approval so that I can start working officially...

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 07 May 2006 4:26 pm

Florian wrote:Dear Forum,

if I can get any help regarding the following it would be much appreciated.

I have been here for 2.5 months now but I haven't got a work permit,S-Pass etc yet.....

Of course,the authorities don't give any reason..

Okay, I am a A-Level graduate from Germany and finished my apprenticeship (2.5 years) last January. I am now a state-approved shipbroker which is in GERMANY the highest degree in this field!

After having finished my exams my German employer sent me over to an independent Singaporean shipbroker. Now,the Singaporean shipbroker tries to apply for any forms of work permits but forms like WP,EP and S-Pass has been rejected. Even the appeals failed...

I know that Singaporean authorities are quite strict in approving applications for foreigners especially when I don't have any real work experience.That means they don't see any reason for the Singaporean company to take a foreigner instead of a local. I get the point!

But I don't agree on the point that in these times of globalisation and whatever a young well-qualified man is not allowed to work in Singapore which calls its economy - a highly developed and international market-based economy.

I am just frustrated without any salary,Singaporean bank account, rights etc. blabla...

So if you could help...however...

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards
Florian


Perhaps you are aware, but it would be more difficult for a Singaporean to get permission to work in Europe than it is for a European to get a work permit here.

If you think about it, the Singaporean policy is not unwarranted. There are literally millions of bright, degreed, certified professionals of all sorts, especially from India and China, that would love to move to Singapore. Were such people to be freely admitted, it would hurt the economy and the chances for employment of locals. It would drive down wages, something the gov't doesn't want. Clearly, to gov't cannot make a special distinction for you because you are European.

If your German employer really wants you to work over here, they should consider setting up a registered office and or a wholly owned private limited company, with you in charge. Under this scenario, you woulod need to be paid by the German company and be contracted out to the Singapore firm. This would likely be approved because it is creation of business that has the potential to employ more Singaporeans.

But, if you are to be paid by the local company I'd say your chances are about nil.

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Postby Carpe Diem » Sun, 07 May 2006 4:45 pm

A very easy solution (and not costly) is the creation of a Representative Office. SE, I don't know if this is what you referred to when you mentioned the set up of a registered office?
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Postby Vaucluse » Sun, 07 May 2006 5:19 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:A very easy solution (and not costly) is the creation of a Representative Office. SE, I don't know if this is what you referred to when you mentioned the set up of a registered office?



I'd agree with the rep office, that's how I did it once as well. easy - letter from your employer, 3k bank guarantee and Bob's your uncle - work from home or in conjunction with the local company = it matters not.

Your paragraph;
But I don't agree on the point that in these times of globalisation and whatever a young well-qualified man is not allowed to work in Singapore which calls its economy - a highly developed and international market-based economy.


smacks of ignorance and arrogance - vielleicht sollte ich es mal auf gut Deutsch sagen: Ignoranz und Aroganz. Bloss weil ein Land Dir keine Arbeitserlaubnis gibt ist es auf einmal Entwicklungsland. Warum haben so viele Deutsche die Idee das Ihnen alles vorserviert werden muss - kein Wunder das wir unsere marktposition verlieren.

(translation: Simply because a country won't approve an employment pass it is therefore a Third World country? Why do so mnay Germans have this bizarre idea that everything in life has to be served to them on a silver platter - no wonder that we are losing our place in the economic race)

Why don't we let 1billion Chinese come and work in Germany? We have such a good record of being friendly to foreigners, don't we?! But to not pave the path with gold for these spoiled and reality-devoid brats is akin to a crime.

Just recently we had this guy who was complaining that he could only take 20kg's as check-in on his flight and how does the airline expect them to live here for 6 months with 20kgs of stuff? WTF is wrong with these people.

Sorry, but I am really emabarssed to be German sometimes - bloody whingers.
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Postby Quasimodo » Sun, 07 May 2006 6:23 pm

Build a wall around the country and don't let anyone out. It wouldn't be the first time.
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Postby Carpe Diem » Sun, 07 May 2006 7:25 pm

Vaucluse wrote:I'd agree with the rep office, that's how I did it once as well. easy - letter from your employer, 3k bank guarantee and Bob's your uncle - work from home or in conjunction with the local company = it matters not.


I did it too. But I was never asked for the 3K guarantee.

For the record I asked a local bank (which is mentioned in another thread) to open a bank account for my rep office. It was really funny (sic) how it was managed, telling me for instance that I could not take a copy of the list of documents to be submitted, then once the said documents were provided, many reasons why it was not properly done... Finally I asked the guy if they wanted or not to open that account and he said no...
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okay..

Postby Florian » Mon, 08 May 2006 11:32 am

Thanks for your comments and advises..

To make one thing clear...I am just frustrated and irritated. I don't discriminate or judge anybody.

Vaucluse/Quasimodo:
Furthermore,you should be better informed about our German immigration actions before talking such a crap. With more than 9pct. foreigners in Germany we are neither ignorant nor arrogant,I think.

Please do not use this forum to express your hate against us,okay?

I haven't said anything against Singaporeans in general or whoever I just wanted some help!

The admin should better close this before some guys turn mad!

Thanks and thanks to those who tried to help!
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Postby Vaucluse » Mon, 08 May 2006 12:08 pm

Florian wrote:Thanks for your comments and advises..

To make one thing clear...I am just frustrated and irritated. I don't discriminate or judge anybody.

Vaucluse/Quasimodo:
Furthermore,you should be better informed about our German immigration actions before talking such a crap. With more than 9pct. foreigners in Germany we are neither ignorant nor arrogant,I think.

Please do not use this forum to express your hate against us,okay?

I haven't said anything against Singaporeans in general or whoever I just wanted some help!

The admin should better close this before some guys turn mad!

Thanks and thanks to those who tried to help!
Florian


maybe it's your English that needs some help - look at my post:
I'd agree with the rep office, that's how I did it once as well. easy - letter from your employer, 3k bank guarantee and Bob's your uncle - work from home or in conjunction with the local company = it matters not.

Is this not helpful? It's how I have done it in the past

I am eminently more knowledgeabl about German Immigration policies than you might think, Florian. and if you have not quite grasped it = I am German, which is why your equating not having your application granted with the country being backward is doubly pathetic. What do you expect?!

Please do not use this forum to express your hate against us,okay?


Hatred against whom exactly, Florian? Leidest Du nun auch an Verfolgungswahn? Armes Kerlchen. No hatred, simply frustration at young Germans expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter and when this doesn't happen they spit their dummy!

Yes, we have 9% foreigners in Germany. So, if this is your yardstick, then why don't you have a look at the percentage of foreigners in Singapore - possibly you'd then think that Germany is foreigner-unfriendly? You are lacking in logic.
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Postby Florian » Mon, 08 May 2006 12:30 pm

Umso bitterer,dass Du Dich als 'erfahrener' Deutscher hier so aufspielen musst und gegen junge unerfahrene,gerade in dieser Angelegenheit, Landsleute losschiessen musst.

Haettest Du mir geschrieben,pass auf Junge,das war nicht so ganz korrekt,aber ich schlag Dir Folgendes vor,dann waere alles gut gewesen...

Ich wuerde mich einfach nur ueber Hilfe freuen.Ende aus...

Vielleicht kannst Du ja ueber Deinen Schatten springen und mir vielleicht etwas Konkreter helfen...

Danke
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Postby Vaucluse » Mon, 08 May 2006 12:40 pm

Und wieder einmal zeigt sich das ein junger Deutscher alles vorgekaut haben will.

das problem ist das Deine Anfrage ganz kurz nach dem Typ kommt der sich beschwert das die Fluggesellschaft ihn nicht beim Kartenkauf gewarnt hat hat das er 'nur' 20kg Reisegepäck mitnehemen kann. Wie kann die Fluggesellschaft von ihm erwarten 6 Monate lang von 20kg Gepaeck zu leben . . .

Glaub' mir, Du musst Deine Ausdricksweise aendern - das ist halt ein sehr Deutsches Problem.
Ich habe einen Vorschlag gemacht und helfe Dir gerne, bloss musst Du verstehen das man, wenn nicht alles so laeuft wie man will, nicht ein ganzes Land/System verdonnern kann.

Also, frag' Deinen Chef in D-land was er denn von einem Rep Office in Singapur haellt. Kosten sind minimal, Verpflichtungen seinerseits fast null.
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Postby Florian » Mon, 08 May 2006 12:59 pm

Was heisst alles vorgekaut?

Ich denke doch wohl,dass dieses Forum da ist,um einander zu helfen,sich auszutauschen etc.

Richtig?

Dass vielleicht ein wenig Emotionen nach meiner 4.Absage dabei waren, und ich meine direkte Art vielleicht nicht im Griff gehabt habe,mag man mir hoffentlich verzeihen. Wenn Du moechtest,gebe ich das auch nochmal offiziell kund.

Bevor ich Dich nun ins Koma frage,wuerde ich mich freuen,wenn Du mir vielleicht ein letztes Mal helfen koenntest.
Wo finde ich denn alles Wissenswerte ueber solch ein Rep Office?Denn nach meinen Inet-Forschungen sah das alles andere als einfach aus.
Damit ich meinem Chef nichts vom Pferd erzaehle....Ich hoffe,Du verstehst...

Fuer Deine Hilfe vielen Dank!

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Postby Vaucluse » Mon, 08 May 2006 1:16 pm

Na, wenn Du schon 'Hochachtungsvol' schreibts dann habe ich ja wohl keine Wahl, Noblesse Oblige . . . :)

Guck mal unter den folgenden links nach und geh' zum MOM und lass Dich beraten - die sind genauso freundlich wie das Finanzamt - daran sidn wir als deutsche auch nicht gewoehnt.

http://mom.gov.sg ganz liebe Leute - haben mir letzten Monat geholfen meinen E1 in einen EntrePass zu wechseln.

http://www.asme.org.sg/ ruf' mal an.

http://www.acra.gov.sg/ anrufen hiflt wenig, alles geht ueber's Netz. Kennst Du Singaporeaner die als Sponsor wirken wuerden?

Glaub' mir, es ist gar nicht mal so schwierig - stuerz Dich 'rein und viel Glueck - kanns mir gerne PM's schicken wenn Du nicht weiterkommst.
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Postby Vaucluse » Mon, 08 May 2006 1:16 pm

Yes, CD, I have typos in German as well - not quite as many, but they are there . . . :(
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