Obtaining PR

gotta_think · Post by **gotta_think** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 7:19 am

hi there, it's me again, well to tell u honestly, it's quite scary though, cos when it's rejected, you have to wait and try to apply again... sigh...

ive got question though, what if my application is successful? will my employer contribute to my cpf (even though they said they will only endorse PR application after 1yr of service)? or I will shoulder the payment? I understand that upon obtaining PR, you will have this regular contribution every month and the company as well right? but what if they refuse to pay? what will happen?

Post by **jpatokal** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 9:48 am

Interesting question. The company must pay their share, and if they don't, you can sic the CPF on their sorry ass (and trust me, no company wants to f*** with the CPF). I don't think that they can legally unilaterally dock your salary either, although you might need to go to court to prove it. They can fire you (for some other reason), or they can take this into account the next time you'd be due for a raise.

gotta_think · Post by **gotta_think** » Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:14 am

hi jpatokal, thanks for ur quick response. I dont know, i am just really scared to apply PR... people are discouraging me, but there's this feeling that i have to apply. i don't know.... sigh...

riversandlakes · Post by **riversandlakes** » Fri, 23 Jun 2006 3:08 am

We all know firms can cook up reasons for firing, and if they are not happy you bypassed them for the PR application you are risking that job.
Happened before, so I heard.

But tonnes other jobs out there waiting for you. Screw the narrow-minded frog-in-the-well mentality firm, bud.

Post by **jpatokal** » Fri, 23 Jun 2006 2:26 pm

riversandlakes wrote:We all know firms can cook up reasons for firing, and if they are not happy you bypassed them for the PR application you are risking that job. Happened before, so I heard.

No company wants you to get PR, because it means you're no longer tied to them. And if your company is really so petty-minded that they'd fire you over getting PR, then you really need to get PR, because they could also fire you because the boss doesn't like your tie.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 24 Jun 2006 2:06 pm

jpatokal wrote:
riversandlakes wrote:We all know firms can cook up reasons for firing, and if they are not happy you bypassed them for the PR application you are risking that job. Happened before, so I heard.
No company wants you to get PR, because it means you're no longer tied to them. And if your company is really so petty-minded that they'd fire you over getting PR, then you really need to get PR, because they could also fire you because the boss doesn't like your tie.

JP, as you know, there are lots of them here. But, as an HR & Finance Manager and headhunter, one has to remember that it is a two way street just like bikers & cage drivers - both are at fault an spend their time whinging over each other. The average person in Singapore who takes up PR (here I am going to be slightly racist but it's a fact) is from another Asian country where getting a job & PR is like manna from heaven due to the economic leg up that they receive. Unfortunately, I agree with you re: no longer being tied to them. (And therefore usually being underpaid by local scale). Sooo what happens? As soon as someone gets their PR they quite the employer and run off for $50 or 5 minutes as we say in the recruitment industry. As an employer, you may have invested quite a bit of money in training this person only to lose them due to PR. Tit for Tat?

sms

riversandlakes · Post by **riversandlakes** » Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:09 am

But seriously, I have also heard of employees staying for a long, long time because of firm helping to fill up the Annex A. And also some firms that actually encouraging their employees to apply for PR (how can this possibly be, you think?).

So I'm concluding that it is sure plain luck on the mentality of that first firm one joins.

Also, this is where things get complicated and almost philosophical. The firm refused to help at all in my PR application - and upon getting it over and done with, why on earth would I stay? And the firm, understandably, won't help because they don't want people to leave...

fx8fx · Post by **fx8fx** » Sun, 25 Jun 2006 1:55 pm

so far as I know ," fill up the Annex A" or not is not the key point .

big brother just want to make sure you have the job shown on your application .

so you might show other proof , such as recent payslips, employee's card and so on .

fx8fx · Post by **fx8fx** » Sun, 25 Jun 2006 2:02 pm

michaeldistel wrote:Well it’s not as easy as that because we don't know how many of each ethnic group applies. For example if say 90% of the applicants are Chinese then in fact it would harder for them and easier for everyone else. On the other hand if there is an even spread between the applicants then yes it would be easier for Chinese than other groups.

Just a side note, Singapore has a deal with Hong Kong that makes it even easier for them.

A lot of Caucasians think they have a better chance (including myself before I got here, dumb hey) than Asians but the truth is a Chinese for Honk Kong will find it the easiest.

Knowing the Singapore Government I'm sure they won't reject someone who can add skills and value just because of an ethnic group quota.

It’s most likely a guide not a rule.

Michael

Anyone heard a Hong Kong's special rule for Sg Citizen or PR

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fx8fx · Post by **fx8fx** » Sun, 25 Jun 2006 2:09 pm

kitin82 wrote:

MOM has this voice service to check the application status of your Employment pass. IMHO, why don't ICA do the same, instead of getting an officer, who can actually answer other calls with regards to other immigration matters.

Better still, make the evaluation process clear, like the point system that Australia has. At least one won't put too much hope if he/she knows that they are not qualified yet, not like right now, they will just tell you to try, and everybody tries.... I'm sure this affects the level of efficiency of processing those that are really qualified..

Please correct me if I'm wrong...

http://app.ps21.gov.sg/newps21/default.asp?id=65

Frank speaking , SG gov's efficiency is best in Asia.
So maybe there is no pressure to make it better:)

ProvenPracticalFlexible · Post by **ProvenPracticalFlexible** » Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:41 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Unfortunately, I agree with you re: no longer being tied to them. (And therefore usually being underpaid by local scale). Sooo what happens? As soon as someone gets their PR they quite the employer and run off for $50 or 5 minutes as we say in the recruitment industry. As an employer, you may have invested quite a bit of money in training this person only to lose them due to PR. Tit for Tat?

sms

That sounds like a HR problem,if a company pays too little (or doesn't provide some career development related reasons to stay ). Not very good long term planning,if one invests first in training and then does not provide the reasons to stay in the company. Still probably all the employers in Singapore too say that employees are they most valuable assets.

ProvenPracticalFlexible · Post by **ProvenPracticalFlexible** » Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:46 pm

fx8fx wrote:Frank speaking , SG gov's efficiency is best in Asia.
So maybe there is no pressure to make it better:)

Exactly, like the Australian point system evaluation takes something like one year minimum to get through. In Europe bureaucrats are simply slow and it is a big mess, even for a citizen to get a passport in most EU countries it takes more time then getting immigration permits approved to Singapore.

riversandlakes · Post by **riversandlakes** » Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:32 pm

It's overused to death - many times over.

ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote:Still probably all the employers in Singapore too say that employees are they most valuable assets.

Godmode · Post by **Godmode** » Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:55 am

Hi Guys,

i am also keen on applying for a PR sometime in July. although i aint too sure if its too early to apply for one. Since i landed in singapore this may end...so just about 1 month now.

I am giving some other details about my ciompany, qualification and education.

Company: Reputed Investment Bank
Employment: Permanent
EP: P2
Salary: <7000
Education: MBA (united kingdom)
Experience: 5+ years
Nationality: Indian

My wife is with me on a dependent pass and she holds a MBA in Human Resource and has experience of more than 4 years.

The company is ready to provide all supporting documents for my application.

Do you think I have a fare chance?

riversandlakes · Post by **riversandlakes** » Fri, 30 Jun 2006 2:43 am

Firm giving documents, then just do it ala Nike. What can possibly go wrong? Just retry after six months if it's rejected.

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