Obtaining PR

[riversandlakes]

nope, just a contract of course Vaucluse, Dutch do not work, they rule...

Eric

[riversandlakes]

Nothing's a guarantee, afaik. Six months' payslips in lieu of the firm filling up Annex A is acceptable. I got mine approved yesterday without firm's signature on Annex A.

Per ICA, Annex A being filled up is NOT a sponsorship nor endorsement nor a silver bullet. Your agency is being dishonest - deliberately perhaps. Note how they had no qualms about changing the previous agreement of 6 months to 1 year (perhaps then to 2 years?).

Just do it.

Can a person apply for a PR without company's sponsorship? My situation is like this, my agency will only endorse pr application after you completed 1yr of service. Originally, they said after 6months, but recently, they just changed from 6months to 1yr. I am just wondering if applying without employer's information has a chance of getting approved? I am planning to apply 3months prior to my 1yr, as I understand it will take up to 3months before you will see the result. Thus, should i get approved, i already completed 1yr with them.

Some colleagues were sponsored by them and they got approved. Only 1 person that I know of did not make it. I wonder what happened? This only means that applying with Employer's info is not a guarantee of getting one. Should I or Should I not apply? Pls help....

Hope someone could help with their inputs. Thanks!

[gotta_think]

Nothing's a guarantee, afaik. Six months' payslips in lieu of the firm filling up Annex A is acceptable. I got mine approved yesterday without firm's signature on Annex A.

Per ICA, Annex A being filled up is NOT a sponsorship nor endorsement nor a silver bullet. Your agency is being dishonest - deliberately perhaps. Note how they had no qualms about changing the previous agreement of 6 months to 1 year (perhaps then to 2 years?).

Just do it.

Can a person apply for a PR without company's sponsorship? My situation is like this, my agency will only endorse pr application after you completed 1yr of service. Originally, they said after 6months, but recently, they just changed from 6months to 1yr. I am just wondering if applying without employer's information has a chance of getting approved? I am planning to apply 3months prior to my 1yr, as I understand it will take up to 3months before you will see the result. Thus, should i get approved, i already completed 1yr with them.

Some colleagues were sponsored by them and they got approved. Only 1 person that I know of did not make it. I wonder what happened? This only means that applying with Employer's info is not a guarantee of getting one. Should I or Should I not apply? Pls help....

Hope someone could help with their inputs. Thanks!

thank you riversandlakes... i appreciate your suggestion.

[kitin82]

Dear all,

As from my understanding, we can actually check our PR application status by calling the ICA hotline and request the status from the operator. Will the number of times you call up to check be recorded and do you think this factor will affect the outcome of your application?

Any input is much appreciated!!

[jpatokal]

As from my understanding, we can actually check our PR application status by calling the ICA hotline and request the status from the operator. Will the number of times you call up to check be recorded and do you think this factor will affect the outcome of your application?

Any input is much appreciated!!

Congratulations, with that level of paranoia you'll make a great Singaporean! In other words, I don't think that'll be a problem -- just don't slip your PR application into your briefcase and then threaten the hotline operator with "consequences" when they can't locate it.

[riversandlakes]

I'd bet S$1 (hehe) that this is not quoted anywhere on ica.gov.sg. I poured through that site for like almost hundred times over these 10 months...
But why bug them - official timing is 3 months and cases I've heard are from 2 weeks to 2 months max. Mine was 1 month 1 week.

That is, however, the official policy for Canadian PR application. It WILL affect the speed of your application there...

As from my understanding, we can actually check our PR application status by calling the ICA hotline and request the status from the operator. Will the number of times you call up to check be recorded and do you think this factor will affect the outcome of your application?

Any input is much appreciated!!

Congratulations, with that level of paranoia you'll make a great Singaporean! In other words, I don't think that'll be a problem -- just don't slip your PR application into your briefcase and then threaten the hotline operator with "consequences" when they can't locate it.

[kitin82]

As from my understanding, we can actually check our PR application status by calling the ICA hotline and request the status from the operator. Will the number of times you call up to check be recorded and do you think this factor will affect the outcome of your application?

Any input is much appreciated!!

Congratulations, with that level of paranoia you'll make a great Singaporean! In other words, I don't think that'll be a problem -- just don't slip your PR application into your briefcase and then threaten the hotline operator with "consequences" when they can't locate it.

Thank u for your honest reply!! But please do understand why I'm being so paranoid..I applied for PR a year ago under my husband's sponsorship (Hubby is a Singaporean), but ICA told me to reapply in one years time stating that I didn't met the residential requirement. Ironically, I have been staying in Singapore for almost 8 years then...But I pushed the worry aside, thinking that maybe the reason was that I was not working at that time.

The year of waiting was simply horrifying, I could not have the option to switch job even though my boss was treating me badly, I could not buy a house as I'm not a PR (HDB requires to have at least one S'porean and one PR as another occupant to register for a house) and even simple little things like having a kid was way out of the plan as we are aware that without me having the status of a PR, every cost is almost double!!! (All charges is charged at a non-resident rate)

But even so I did follow their instructions and waited for 1 whole full year. Situation is different now, I have secured a job and I have been working for around 9 mths now. But it's already 2 mths + and no news.. I'm very confused why my case is so difficult to evaluate?? My husband has a good job and he has been working in his company for 7 years and needless to say, he has contributed as what other Singaporeans contributed (taxes, CPF,NS, etc)

I am not just one who ask paranoid question out of the blue, but I believe you would agree with me that Singapore PR application doesn't have a clear system of how it is being evaluated, that is why I'm concern about every single approach to this. You may be someone who contributes to Singapore, but that doesn't neccessarily guaranteed you a PR, whereas someone (I knew a few) who has just started working in Singapore, has not contribute much to Singapore and with no family ties, got their PR approved in a short time, reason being....it's never known!!

So I hope with my explanation above, you can understand where I was coming from.

[kitin82]

I'd bet S$1 (hehe) that this is not quoted anywhere on ica.gov.sg. I poured through that site for like almost hundred times over these 10 months...
But why bug them - official timing is 3 months and cases I've heard are from 2 weeks to 2 months max. Mine was 1 month 1 week.

That is, however, the official policy for Canadian PR application. It WILL affect the speed of your application there...

As from my understanding, we can actually check our PR application status by calling the ICA hotline and request the status from the operator. Will the number of times you call up to check be recorded and do you think this factor will affect the outcome of your application?

Any input is much appreciated!!

Congratulations, with that level of paranoia you'll make a great Singaporean! In other words, I don't think that'll be a problem -- just don't slip your PR application into your briefcase and then threaten the hotline operator with "consequences" when they can't locate it.

MOM has this voice service to check the application status of your Employment pass. IMHO, why don't ICA do the same, instead of getting an officer, who can actually answer other calls with regards to other immigration matters.

Better still, make the evaluation process clear, like the point system that Australia has. At least one won't put too much hope if he/she knows that they are not qualified yet, not like right now, they will just tell you to try, and everybody tries.... I'm sure this affects the level of efficiency of processing those that are really qualified..

Please correct me if I'm wrong...

[MusicFever]

I never had an interview in the whole process of applying for the PR...

Within 6 weeks I received the Approved in Principle confirmation letter, no interview. Then had to go down to ICA in Aljunied, to get my PR AIP. There I applied for the 'full' PR, by showing my contract with a new employer here. 3 weeks later I received the letter saying my PR had been fully approved. No interview again.

Which interview are you peeps referring to?

Eric

No interview encountered either, good luck? Applied for SPR in HK 6 years ago and received 3 months later. But only after I arrived in Singapore, I understood what's PR for. Sometimes I think I should go for EP so that I could have much more cash on hand and play harder

[riversandlakes]

I thought of doing that - but residential status overrides all. Losing the job means going home and after all it's renewable for up to only 2 years I think?

[gotta_think]

I heard there's a quota when you apply for PR every year. Is this true? If so, isn't not advisable to apply PR 4th quarter of this year? Hope someone could enlighten me.

Thanks!

[riversandlakes]

Almost definitely there's a quota, but that's not disclosed anywhere, afaik.

The 4th Quarter rule is suspicious though.

Imho, just do it.

[michaeldistel]

I agree there is definitely a quota and I believe its a ethnic quota as well, I read in the paper once they want to keep the ethnic composition the same and the only way to do that is with quotas on PRs.

I'm not sure about the 4th Quarter Rule, but to me its does not sound right, I think they would review monthly.

Who knows really, we are all guessing and I agree with kitin82 its a process that makes you worry alot.

Anyway I wish everyone out there the best of luck with their PRs.

Cheers
Michael

[riversandlakes]

"Keeping the ethnic composition the same" should mean better chances for foreign ethnic Chinese applicants?

[michaeldistel]

Well it’s not as easy as that because we don't know how many of each ethnic group applies. For example if say 90% of the applicants are Chinese then in fact it would harder for them and easier for everyone else. On the other hand if there is an even spread between the applicants then yes it would be easier for Chinese than other groups.

Just a side note, Singapore has a deal with Hong Kong that makes it even easier for them.

A lot of Caucasians think they have a better chance (including myself before I got here, dumb hey) than Asians but the truth is a Chinese for Honk Kong will find it the easiest.

Knowing the Singapore Government I'm sure they won't reject someone who can add skills and value just because of an ethnic group quota.

It’s most likely a guide not a rule.

Michael