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Postby CardZeus » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:03 am

The news ticker on Iraqi TV said:

وزارة الدفاع تدعو المواطنين الى عدم الانصياع لاوامر دوريات الجيش والشرطة الليلية اذا لم تكن برفقة قوات التحالف العاملة في تلك المنطقة
The translation:

“The Ministry of Defense requests that civilians do not comply with the orders of the army or police on nightly patrols unless they are accompanied by coalition forces working in that area.”
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Postby Carpe Diem » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:05 am

by the way I don't like your avatar. Not nice for the monkeys.
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Postby CardZeus » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:10 am

Carpe Diem wrote:by the way I don't like your avatar. Not nice for the monkeys.


:D :lol: :D
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Postby earthfriendly » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:21 am

It is actually a chimpanzee :D . I mean the one with black fur .

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Postby Wham » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 2:24 pm

Cardzeus - what do you suggest? Will there be MORE or LESS bloodshed of innocent Iraqis if all the coalition forces pull out right now? I honestly don't profess to have an opinion either way, just wondering what others think would be the best solution at this point in time.
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Postby CardZeus » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 3:13 pm

Wham wrote:Cardzeus - what do you suggest? Will there be MORE or LESS bloodshed of innocent Iraqis if all the coalition forces pull out right now? I honestly don't profess to have an opinion either way, just wondering what others think would be the best solution at this point in time.


Maybe the coalition forces should pull out and be replaced by UN forces; the majority of which should be arab speaking. Iraq splits into 3 separate countries, Shia, Sunni and Kurd. Billions of dollars of 'aid' do not go unaccounted for; major contracts are tendered with LOCAL companies able to gain contracts (Halliburton should be excluded from these tenders - as well as any other company with links to Bush and his cronies). The USA does not build 14 permanent bases and use Iran as a Middle East base for further incursions. Just some 'ideas'...
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Postby Wham » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 3:37 pm

Generally good ideas. However, there are no UN/Arab speaking forces that i know of that are willing for such a task - let alone capable of such a task. And as you point out above, even the Iraqi forces that ARE being raised are completely ineffective - and these are Iraqis who presumably have some interest in the future of their country...
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Postby ringo100 » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 9:02 pm

It would be totally impossible for UN forces, let alone UN Arab forces to police Iraq. They are neither capable or would they be willing. The different Muslim factions seem to hate each other more than they hate the Americans.

It still amazes me that the biggest donators of money to Palestine and other desperate Muslim causes i.e. tsunami etc. are western countries.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 9:29 pm

ringo100 wrote:It would be totally impossible for UN forces, let alone UN Arab forces to police Iraq. They are neither capable or would they be willing. The different Muslim factions seem to hate each other more than they hate the Americans.

It still amazes me that the biggest donators of money to Palestine and other desperate Muslim causes i.e. tsunami etc. are western countries.


Why should it amaze you? Western Countries have always come to the aid of anybody who is in distress. Even our detractors (wanted to say enemies but maybe that's too strong). It's always been said that life is considered cheap in Asia (disclaimer! I didn't say it) while the west values all life. (we won't talk about the death penalty here okay!)

I will agree however that it seems that you are correct in your assumption about the different Iraqi factions hating each other even more. Strange.

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Postby ringo100 » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:07 pm

It is so much what western countries give in aid that amazes me, as the little amount these super rich Arab states give.

It was ironic that Palestinians were cheering after 9/11 and burning western flags in the street, yet the food they eat and even their whole existence is due to the financial support of the US and the EU.

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Postby Vaucluse » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:11 pm

ringo100 wrote:It is so much what western countries give in aid that amazes me, as the little amount these super rich Arab states give.

It was ironic that Palestinians were cheering after 9/11 and burning western flags in the street, yet the food they eat and even their whole existence is due to the financial support of the US and the EU.


Absolutely right - what is alao amazing is that the Red crescent lags way behind the red Cross in relief operations, even in muslim countries. Ah bugger it - it's just too annoying to contemplate.

What to do with Iraq? The country needs a strong leader. One who will unite the country and . . . damn . . . had that.

Seriously, it's a rats nest - I really don't believe there is much to do aside from dividing it into three separate states.

It's the Brits fault, of course.
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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:27 pm

CardZeus wrote:Iraq splits into 3 separate countries, Shia, Sunni and Kurd.


This will never happen because it leaves all the oil to the Sunnis and basically leaves the Shites with desert. Further, if the Jurds acheived autonomy it would seriously destabilize Turkey where the Kurd "problem" has existed for decades. So nobody is going to support this one.

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Postby Vaucluse » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:05 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
CardZeus wrote:Iraq splits into 3 separate countries, Shia, Sunni and Kurd.


This will never happen because it leaves all the oil to the Sunnis and basically leaves the Shites with desert. Further, if the Jurds acheived autonomy it would seriously destabilize Turkey where the Kurd "problem" has existed for decades. So nobody is going to support this one.


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Postby Carpe Diem » Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:24 pm

Spot on, Mr Typo!
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