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Second generation PR cancel PR still subject to NS ?

Post by sllw » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 2:56 pm

Hi,
I am an SPR and thus, my son is a second generation SPR. I would like to cancel his SPR. But does this mean he will still be liable for NS after the cancellation ? Can he come back as a tourist / employee of a firm in SG ?

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Post by renter » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 3:51 pm

just from the words of it, he doesn't have to serve any more. simply he is not a pr any more, so this "2nd generation PR" doesn't carry any meaning.

but i am not sure what will happen if you help him or he himself applies for PR when he grows up.

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Post by Bafana » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 5:27 pm

How old your son.

If he got the PR as a child and is an adult or of a serving age now and still had PR when he came of age I think he will have to serve NS if he wants to get PR or even an EP in Singapore.

I had a friend who was a dual citizen with Australia and they refursed to let him have an EP or PR unless he served NS since he had not given up his Singaporean citizenship before he came of age for service.
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Post by mumbaigirl » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 5:39 pm

we have friends who gave up PR for their sons when the kids turned 18 and went overseas for studies. unfortunately, none of the kids are back here for work. during the study period, however, they applied and got social visit pass to come visit their parents.

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Re: Second generation PR cancel PR still subject to NS ?

Post by Siong2 » Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:40 am

sllw wrote:Hi,
I am an SPR and thus, my son is a second generation SPR. I would like to cancel his SPR. But does this mean he will still be liable for NS after the cancellation ? Can he come back as a tourist / employee of a firm in SG ?

Thanks
My advise is let your son serve NS first then decide.
If he served NS, in future, anything also can discuss.
If he gives up his PR just to escape NS, he is consider a "deserter".
You don't know if he needs Singapore in the future..
2 yrs of NS is nothing, just let your son enjoy and grow in that 2 yrs. :D

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Post by sllw » Fri, 24 Feb 2006 3:08 pm

mumbaigirl wrote:we have friends who gave up PR for their sons when the kids turned 18 and went overseas for studies. unfortunately, none of the kids are back here for work. during the study period, however, they applied and got social visit pass to come visit their parents.
18 years old ? I thought NS registration starts at 16 1/2 ? You mention "kids". Does this mean the younger kid did not even complete his/her GCE"O" level here ? Anyhow, it's good to know that they can at least visit Singapore with a visitor pass.

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Re: Second generation PR cancel PR still subject to NS ?

Post by sllw » Fri, 24 Feb 2006 3:17 pm

Siong2 wrote:
sllw wrote:Hi,
I am an SPR and thus, my son is a second generation SPR. I would like to cancel his SPR. But does this mean he will still be liable for NS after the cancellation ? Can he come back as a tourist / employee of a firm in SG ?

Thanks
My advise is let your son serve NS first then decide.
If he served NS, in future, anything also can discuss.
If he gives up his PR just to escape NS, he is consider a "deserter".
You don't know if he needs Singapore in the future..
2 yrs of NS is nothing, just let your son enjoy and grow in that 2 yrs. :D
Actually it will be up to them on whether they would want to do NS. However, the chances is good they won't. I grew up in Singapore but I do not have any close attachment to this country. If someone wants to do NS in the first place then that person probably has the intention to defend the country when the time comes. Otherwise what would be the point ?

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Post by sllw » Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:29 pm

I find it strange they cannot even give me a straight answer. It's as if they are trying to avoid answering it. Please see their response below. Disappointing.




Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email.

Please be informed that as long as your SPR status have been renounced,
you will definitely revert to a foreigner.

For further enquires, please do not hesitate to revert email or contact
us at 1800-364 6333.(Press "0" to speak to our Customer Service Officer
after language selection)

We look forward to serving you better.

Regards

Ruth Mah
Customer Service Officer
MINDEF eServices Centre




SR Remarks: -----Original Message-----

From:pyongq@yahoo.com
Sent:02/23/06 17:29:28
To:esc@miw.com.sg
Cc:
Subject:Re: Service Request 1-23087135

Hi,
Thank you for the response. In other words, if he
returns as a tourist/employee after the renunciation
of the SPR, he will not be breaking Singapore's law
(as in the Enlistment Act) ?

Thanks and rehards,
Jongki

--- crm_esc@miw.com.sg wrote:

> Dear Sir,
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
> Please be informed that your son may come back for
> holidays or for employment after renunciation of SPR
> status.
>
> For further enquires, please do not hesitate to
> revert email or contact us at 1800-364 6333.(Press
> "0" to speak to our Customer Service Officer after
> language selection)
>
> We look forward to serving you better.
>
> Regards
>
> Ruth Mah
> Customer Service Officer
> MINDEF eServices Centre
>
>
>
> SR Remarks: -----Original Message-----
>
> From:pyongq@yahoo.com
> Sent:02/22/06 13:03:24
> To:esc@miw.com.sg
> Cc:
> Subject:Re: Service Request 1-23030150
>
> Hi,
> So if my son (who is a second generation SPR) were
> to
> renounce his SPR status, can he still come to
> Singapore as a tourist or employee (with work
> permit)
> and not be subject to Singapore National Service ?
>
> Best regards,
> Jongki
>
> >
> > SR Remarks: -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From:pyongq@yahoo.com
> > Sent:02/21/06 11:37:32
> > To:esc@miw.com.sg
> > Cc:
> > Subject:National service
> >
> > Hi,
> > I read from your website "Male ex-Singapore
> Citizens
> > and ex-Singapore Permanent Residents who are
> granted
> > SPR status are liable to be called up for NS
> > regardless of the type of SPR status they are
> > granted."
> > If I were to become a SPR, my son will be subject
> to
> > national service even if he is not born in
> Singapore
> > ?
> > What would happen if the permamen...

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Post by yoongf » Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:55 pm

You are asking a Defence Ministry staff a question that pertains to Immigration (ICA) and employment (MOM) issues. MINDEF is not in the best position to answer you.

If yr son enters Sg as a foreigner after renouncing SPR status, he will enter Sg with a foreign passport number. There is no reason for ICA to deny entry or detained, since the Re-entry permit in the passport would have been cancelled by then.

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