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Re: Prepare yourself

Postby singaporegrrl » Sun, 31 Dec 2006 4:39 pm

Plavt wrote:OK, my own personal opinion; be very wary of these organizations I very much doubt if a one day course will make much difference to your chances.


I totally agree with Plavt. It's not as if the recruiters are gonna be interested if you have done any cabin crew interview preparatory courses. There are some who have spent so much to prepare themselves yet still find it hard to get recruited. Personally I feel it's not about the courses. It's about us as individual whether we are willing to look deep into the past interviews for any flaws or not. I really believe that a failure will lead to many victories. Well, that is IF we have learnt from mistakes.
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Postby toygirl » Sun, 31 Dec 2006 7:47 pm

We have a few cabin crew prep organisations sprouting up here in Singapore- Unless they have tie-ups with the airline you wish to join - I.e - You can guarranteed interviews with the airline if you join their class (Like AHA in India with EK or Ready2Fly with GF in the UK), then you are basically wasting your money learning things you can easily learn by reading it up yourself.

Otherwise, that $200 is considered a investment - Depends whether you got spare cash to spend.

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Postby Mehmehses » Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:58 am

toygirl wrote:We have a few cabin crew prep organisations sprouting up here in Singapore- Unless they have tie-ups with the airline you wish to join - I.e - You can guarranteed interviews with the airline if you join their class (Like AHA in India with EK or Ready2Fly with GF in the UK), then you are basically wasting your money learning things you can easily learn by reading it up yourself.

Otherwise, that $200 is considered a investment - Depends whether you got spare cash to spend.


Just my humble opinion. Consider this, you invest in a diploma or a degree program but does the insitution or university guarantee success in your career? It depends how well you apply your acquired knowledge and skills from education right? :lol:

Those airline tie-ups may guarantee interviews but not jobs. What people want ultimately are jobs not interviews. The success is still determined by how well you perform in those interviews.

SASS Atlantic conducts pre-screening for Emirates in Singapore. The last recruitment ended up with less than 10 girls selected out of hundreds. (I was there till the finals) :oops:

You can learn from a book to score in exams. Airline interviews are different. To excel in interviews require practice preferably with a good coach. Just like swimming, you can't get it by reading a book. You require a swimming coach and get yourself wet in the pool.

I have tried airline interviews but failed so I realise I need help. I have researched about Ascent and find them reliable. (I have a friend taught by the instructor Aniq in Qatar Airways and swear by his training method. So since he runs also his workshop here, why not give a a shot.)

I don't feel $200 is a big investment to help me gain more knowledge and confidence to pass the interviews. I can make back my investment from my first month salary once I start flying. :wink:

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Postby toygirl » Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:10 pm

To put it simply, it's up to the individual, in India, there are even schools that have 1 yr Diploma in Aviation & Hospitality Management from which airline companies do mass recruitment. One in Malaysia that has tie-ups has a 2.5 month course to train on deportment, grooming, socialisation, etc. Airline recruiters fly to these schools and recruit candidates - Something like on campus recruitment. Chances will be better.

In Singapore, the centres are sprouting up with 1-2 day course will prep you on the interview stages, what to do, what to wear, and a mock interview - It's up to you whether you apply it.

EK screening days aren't like the most, they can afford to be picky. If you notice from some recruitment days, we have candidates flying from Korea to Singapore - Why? - They aren't students of the agency which the airline recruits from in Korea and have difficulty gaining access there.

So far I know 3 schools now sprouting up - Nothing guarranteed, they just coach you. None have tie-ups, I know Tiger Airways used Red Dot.

Sorry about not making it with Emirates, you can try again. Yes, it's an investment - It all depends whether you have extra cash, but if not, some of the things are inherent within you - Grooming skills, confidence, interpersonal skills, cultural and customer service orientation, etc - Different airlines have different stringent requirements. SQ may have 7 rounds, EK - 3 to 4, UA - 3, MI - 5 odd, etc.

I wouldn't advise going for such courses unless they have tie-ups as their program will be geared towards that particular interview. Otherwise, take it as a form of self enrichment - These courses range from $190-300. Look at their candidate endorsements - Do you see many ex-crew graduating from the institute? If you go and ask around - you'll notice very few crew actually took these courses up before applying. There are many people wanting to be crew so there is a market demand for such courses. If you have extra cash and have the time, go straight ahead. But generally the content will be similar :)

Most of us never went through such courses - I agree with SingaporeGirl's comment on failures lead to success. But in a nutshell - If you got the cash and just want to practice for $190-300 for a 2 day class with things you probably would already know but want to confirm or practice, then go for it! Just don't feel cheated or angry when you spend this money and realise when you go for a CC interview that it really didn't matter anyway and didn't get selected again.

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Postby TKC » Mon, 01 Jan 2007 9:48 pm

toygirl wrote:To put it simply, it's up to the individual, in India, there are even schools that have 1 yr Diploma in Aviation & Hospitality Management from which airline companies do mass recruitment. One in Malaysia that has tie-ups has a 2.5 month course to train on deportment, grooming, socialisation, etc. Airline recruiters fly to these schools and recruit candidates - Something like on campus recruitment. Chances will be better.

In Singapore, the centres are sprouting up with 1-2 day course will prep you on the interview stages, what to do, what to wear, and a mock interview - It's up to you whether you apply it.

EK screening days aren't like the most, they can afford to be picky. If you notice from some recruitment days, we have candidates flying from Korea to Singapore - Why? - They aren't students of the agency which the airline recruits from in Korea and have difficulty gaining access there.

So far I know 3 schools now sprouting up - Nothing guarranteed, they just coach you. None have tie-ups, I know Tiger Airways used Red Dot.

Sorry about not making it with Emirates, you can try again. Yes, it's an investment - It all depends whether you have extra cash, but if not, some of the things are inherent within you - Grooming skills, confidence, interpersonal skills, cultural and customer service orientation, etc - Different airlines have different stringent requirements. SQ may have 7 rounds, EK - 3 to 4, UA - 3, MI - 5 odd, etc.

I wouldn't advise going for such courses unless they have tie-ups as their program will be geared towards that particular interview. Otherwise, take it as a form of self enrichment - These courses range from $190-300. Look at their candidate endorsements - Do you see many ex-crew graduating from the institute? If you go and ask around - you'll notice very few crew actually took these courses up before applying. There are many people wanting to be crew so there is a market demand for such courses. If you have extra cash and have the time, go straight ahead. But generally the content will be similar :)

Most of us never went through such courses - I agree with SingaporeGirl's comment on failures lead to success. But in a nutshell - If you got the cash and just want to practice for $190-300 for a 2 day class with things you probably would already know but want to confirm or practice, then go for it! Just don't feel cheated or angry when you spend this money and realise when you go for a CC interview that it really didn't matter anyway and didn't get selected again.


Hi All, I'm a newbie. After reading this thread, it struck a chord so I wanna share.

I'm 26yr and always dream of becoming a cabin crew but I feel time is not on my side. Believe me I've tried SIA interviews since 18yr and never succeed. I'm not alone because I have two friends, a gal and guy whom both are as unlucky as me. My gf has tried seven airline interviews and the guy around ten times. Both have resigned to fate and stopped trying. I, however still hold a glimmer of hope.

You see, we are not predisposed with the same inherent attributes you mentioned. If we are, we would've all gotten into the airlines with little difficulty. Some people have the total package; the beauty, talent and wit plus relevant experience, in other words, the exact match the airline wants. What about people who may not have the exact match? Do we keep knocking on airline doors that won't budge or find professional help to show you the keys to those doors?

Toygirl and Singaporegrrl, I standby your point to learn from failure. The problem is I still haven't a clue what's wrong with me all these years. No one was there to tell me why I wasn't selected and the airlines refused to comment. I'm my biggest critique and that spiralled into depression and low esteem. :cry:

Airline recruitments, especially the airline of your choice, do not occur frequently. During the economy downturn, SARS, 9/11 periods, there were hardly any recruitment. When they appear, you may be in the middle of study, just started a new job, etc. so you let some of them go. Finally when one arrives at the right time, you find yourself kicked out at some stage of the interview. Its really frustrating and disappointing. :(

Its great to know there is help at hand like those Fly High workshops. If they existed earlier, I would have sorted their help. In my case, I don't want to fail another interview without knowing why. I feel being pro-active to seek help would better my chances at the very least. :wink:

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Postby Plavt » Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:11 pm

TKC wrote:

Its great to know there is help at hand like those Fly High workshops. If they existed earlier, I would have sorted their help.


TKC,
You have some valid points but as mentioned earlier by Toygirl, Singaporegrrl and myself it is doubtful they would have made any difference unless specifically incorporated into the airline's recruitment structure. Airlines' select applicants who meet their criteria whatever that might be as emphasized by Toygirl.

Much of the job as you no doubt know revolves around people so key areas to study are; human behaviour, psychology,communication and social interaction and concentrate on words. Hint: Confidence, management, presentation.

What matters is how you prepare your application by which I mean plan ahead.

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Postby toygirl » Tue, 02 Jan 2007 3:04 am

One of my favourite ladies at EK always used this line "If this is your 10th time trying this job probably isn't for you" - What she meant is that the airline isn't for them.

The airline uses its crew - frontline to market its image - If you don't have that image or that X-factor then it's time for you to keep knocking at other doors. Many keep knocking at the same door hoping it'll open - Sometime it does - Some time it doesn't - You just got to keep knocking at many doors and realise that perhaps this line isn't for you.

Many people want this job - It's an employer's market. Keep trying. Good luck. Perhaps you'll like to try a course if you are confident it will help you and go for the interview and see whether you get selected. Just don't get your hopes too up!

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Postby Mehmehses » Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:09 pm

TKC,

I applaude yr peserverance. Not many people have that kind of patience to try & try for so many years. Kudos to you! :lol:

Like me, i will never say die until I exhaust all my avenues. The workshop is one avenue I have yet to try. So I'm giving it a shot. I'm not expecting the workshop to guarantee my anything as nobody can guarantee you anything either :o

So TKC, see u at the FLY HIGH workshop?

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Postby TKC » Wed, 03 Jan 2007 5:10 pm

toygirl wrote:One of my favourite ladies at EK always used this line "If this is your 10th time trying this job probably isn't for you" - What she meant is that the airline isn't for them.

The airline uses its crew - frontline to market its image - If you don't have that image or that X-factor then it's time for you to keep knocking at other doors. Many keep knocking at the same door hoping it'll open - Sometime it does - Some time it doesn't - You just got to keep knocking at many doors and realise that perhaps this line isn't for you.

Many people want this job - It's an employer's market. Keep trying. Good luck. Perhaps you'll like to try a course if you are confident it will help you and go for the interview and see whether you get selected. Just don't get your hopes too up!


I know people with the 'X' factor in the airlines and I also know many more 'ordinary folks' in the industry. But guess what? Those 'ordinary folks' stayed with the airlines longer than those with 'X' factor. They probaby worked much harder to get in so they cherish what they have achieved. Those who have the 'X' factor probably think their 'gift' can take them anywhere in the world so they quit much faster. I think the airlines have the 'ordinary folks' to thank for as well. :)

Thank you Mehmehses and tenshi for your genuine concern and support. Its so wonderful to have strangers open up to you and tell you everything is gonna be fine. I'll probably bump into you at the SQ interview or the Fly High workshop. :wink:

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Postby lindylim » Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:52 am

any idea when is the next recruitment drive for SilkAir?

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Postby qiutinger » Wed, 07 Feb 2007 2:02 pm

YES! I am very keen to know too! When?? Does anyone know? TIA!

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Postby singaporegrrl » Wed, 07 Feb 2007 7:41 pm

It will probably be in March or April. Keep a look out in the papers or the best source would be the website.
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Postby chiken_c » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:01 am

yo baz. how are u?????? haven seen u ard. anyway! hope ur doing fine!!! i miss u guys!!

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Postby singaporegrrl » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:56 am

chiken_c wrote:yo baz. how are u?????? haven seen u ard. anyway! hope ur doing fine!!! i miss u guys!!


Hello Sek Teng! Yeah I've never seen you in the briefing room at all! Hope you're doing fine too. I miss the batch too!
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Postby chiken_c » Thu, 08 Feb 2007 9:11 pm

hahah yea wonder why! i'm doing ok.hope u are too! take care!


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