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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 3:36 pm

Unfortunately, there are a lot of shades of gray in the note that may4 posted, and a lot of missing facts.

For example, if the husband and wife had agreed not to have children but she went ahead and did so anyway, then she brought the entire problem upon herself. The husband may not be reasonable but he didn't start it.

On the other hand, if the child was a "mistake" and/or they had not talked about this earlier, then it is equally his responsibility, too. And, if he was that anti-kid he should have been wearing a condom.

But now that the baby is out of the chute, father will have to maintain financial responsibility for the child, even if divorced because Singapore does have enforceable child support laws. And this is only right... it is in the best interests of the child.

And speaking of grey, there is a significant issue surrounding the abortion rights movement. Right now, a man has no rights. Let's say she doesn't want the baby but he does. He cannot compel her to have the child, she is in complete control But let's say she does want the baby and he doesn't. Doesn't matter. He is still guaranteed to have to pay child support for the next 18 years.

So, no, things in life are rarely black and white. RP may not have fallen for Monica but he's got plenty of other grey areas.

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Postby Quasimodo » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 6:21 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:Come on, SE - support the whacked woman in her tirades.


She tends to see the world in a rather black and white fashion... like you.


Unlike me, she is a racist, a fool and you are utterly naive (and I'm remaining polite) if you believe she and I have any similaritries whatsoever.

Again - as previously - you don't know me from a bar of soap, but feel you have the right and level of intelligence to label me - I'd suggest you stick with talking about yourself.
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Postby sapphire » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 6:55 pm

Quasimodo wrote:any similaritries whatsoever.

Judging by the pics, both of you are clean-shaven? :P
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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 7:39 pm

Quasimodo wrote:Again - as previously - you don't know me from a bar of soap, but feel you have the right and level of intelligence to label me - I'd suggest you stick with talking about yourself.


There's the pot calling the kettle black. You can be pretty fast and loose with 'labels' yourself.

I can however, state with some authority that you are readily distinguishable from a bar of soap... I suspect you might score far higher on an IQ test than most bars of soap. Don't know about your fragrance, though.

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Postby Quasimodo » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 8:40 pm

You're calling me loose? At least potentially nice smelling. :lol:

Apologies, SE, but may4 is just too open with her prejudices for my liking. You do know that being called a dog by Chinese is a very bad thing.
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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 9:51 pm

Quasimodo wrote:You're calling me loose? At least potentially nice smelling. :lol:

Apologies, SE, but may4 is just too open with her prejudices for my liking. You do know that being called a dog by Chinese is a very bad thing.


Thank you, Quasi... my apologies as well. may4 has much to learn and I can well understand why she rubs people the wrong way.

As I noted in another post, would you care to meet? Beer is on me... not literally, I hope.

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Postby Quasimodo » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:01 pm

Yup, I'd love to - nice suggestion.

I'm fairly free after the 6th, look forward to it.
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Postby Wind In My Hair » Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:46 pm

oh how sweet, you two. one thing in may4's favour... she seems to have brought about peace among the superpowers! :)

in today's straits times one of our cabinet ministers openly acknowledged that racial prejudices are a 'primordial instinct' in our society and thus we have to work hard against it. may4 is a prime example. and really, in a way it's not her fault. we are the product of our parents' upbringing, immediate environment etc and if i were born in her place i could easily have been her. so i just thank god that i've been blessed with the privilege of sensible parents, a better education and wider exposure, factors i can't take credit for. does this make sense?

may4,

do you understand what i am saying, and why people are upset with you? to many here it's wrong to judge someone just by race or nationality. i don't blame you for how you used to think but you have a chance to change that now. think about whether it's fair for someone to judge you on your skin colour and nothing else. anyway if your purpose here is to learn better english you're in a good place, but do stick to talking about safer topics and avoid discussions about race ok? all the best to you.

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Postby earthfriendly » Wed, 25 Jan 2006 1:22 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
So, no, things in life are rarely black and white. RP may not have fallen for Monica but he's got plenty of other grey areas.


Agree. However, it would be nice if we strive to eliminate the greys in our lives, not that we (myself included) will always succeed. Just another lofty goal.

However, in the story of this pregnant woman. I would not exactly call it grey area, rather than lack of information. There were many things left out about this story. Was baby concceived by a couple in a long-term commited relationship or a fling? Did both adults ever sit down and talk about whether they want children. Anyway, whether the man likes it or not, what's done cannot be undone. He just have to assume his fatherly responsibilty so baby can grow up to be an emotionally healthy adult.

Wind In My Hair wrote:may4,

think about whether it's fair for someone to judge you on your skin colour and nothing else. anyway if your purpose here is to learn better english you're in a good place, but do stick to talking about safer topics and avoid discussions about race ok? all the best to you.


Agree. May4, I don't know if you are aware of SG's past history. Racial riots were once common. We do have to tread very lightly when it comes to race and religion (remember the middle East situation). LKY had some statistical reports on the school childrens' academic performance which indicated that a certain race in SG was consistently performing under average. Rather than made the issue public, he gathered the leaders of that particular community to discuss how to improve their kids' grade. Some issues are better taken care of away from public eyes.

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Postby samantha » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 4:53 pm

The world is a warped place where there is often more grey areas than anything else. I think it is fine to discriminate as long as it is based on something concrete and stereotyping or generalisation is not involved. Discrimination is just too well imbeded in humans.

However, I feel that even if u want to discriminate against someone, u must at least make an attempt to recognise and respect the person's positive points. Nobody is perfect, so live with it!

Does colour really matter? I see bitchy women and dump men of all size, shape and colour everywhere? (sorry guys..) :wink: Does one's looks really matter? I really don't think so. It is what that is inside that matters. May4, u really shouldn't stareotype. :wink:
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