Applying PR right after ROM with PRC fiancee

[xq]

I am a Singaporean and I am going to marry my PRC fiancee. I have a degree from a local university and a regular job. I am done with NS and will be doing my reservist soon.

I will be applying PR for her under the "Spouse/Child of a SC/SPR" category. She has not worked in Singapore and she doesn't have a degree. I am wondering what her chances of getting her PR are? Does anyone have similar experiences that you can share with me?

Also, I am wondering if my change of job would affect her PR application. Say, if I applied PR for her and I changed my job within this three months, would that affect her application? Would it affects if I applied PR for her while I start my new job? Would the job I have and the company I work for, affects her PR application at all?

If she couldn't have her PR approved, would that mean I have to apply LTSV for her regularly? I heard of people going to causeway every two weeks so that their spouse can extend her stay in Singapore. Does she have to show them any air ticket?

Kind advise really appreciated. Thanks in advanced!

[riversandlakes]

www.MOM.gov.sg and www.ICA.gov.sg ?

[xq]

www.MOM.gov.sg and www.ICA.gov.sg ?

Not trying to appear like an idiot but obviously I have visited those websites and read most of the procedures and fineprints that I can find. The problem is, the instructions written at these websites do not answer my queries at all.

[James**]

The rules might have changed but I think it should be similar to a few years ago.
I know of someone who is a graduate but even though they were married, she didn't managed to get citizenship and every 6 months, she left for china.
Subsequently he felt it was easier for him to work over there. One possible criteria will be her education background.
Why don't you make an appointment with MOM and get yourself there to find out directly.. do some legwork!

[xq]

The rules might have changed but I think it should be similar to a few years ago.
I know of someone who is a graduate but even though they were married, she didn't managed to get citizenship and every 6 months, she left for china.
Subsequently he felt it was easier for him to work over there. One possible criteria will be her education background.
Why don't you make an appointment with MOM and get yourself there to find out directly.. do some legwork!

Oh dear, that sounds really sad. I wonder why... why she didn't just go extend her stay. Anyway, I will try to give MOM (not sure why I have to, because MOM will redirect me to ICA) and ICA a call. Thanks.

PS: I can't help but notice that you enjoy jogging a lot (see avatar)

[xq]

I gave a call to ICA earlier, and I'm so surprised how friendly the CSO was when she spoke to me. Quite happy actually.

For the benefit of those who are interested to know her replies.

"would my change of job affect her PR application" - their advice: it is better for me to settle down with the new job and then apply for her PR. meanwhile, i would have to apply LTSVP for her, until we apply her PR and until she gets her PR. Alternatively, if I am still working for the current company and able to produce 6 months of pay slips, I can go ahead and apply for her PR. I then have to update them with my new job details should there be any changes during the PR application period of 3 months.

"Would the job I have and the company I work for" - their advice: it doesn't make a difference whether you work for the government or private MNCs. as long as you fulfilled the requirements and have a regular job, that should be fine.

[liverpool]

I am intending to marry a PRC next year. I am 24 this year, just graduate with bachelor of accountancy and currently just start work in one of the big 4 audit firm, pay is just 2.4k gross. Completed NS with no criminal records. My wife is a PRC aged 24 with no formal education in China and been to Singapore for tour last year for 1 week.

Can anyone advice on what criteria ICA assess on whether my wife will get PR after ROM. Will it difficult for my wife to get PR given our situation?

1)I heard it will be difficult, if yes, will be easy for her to get Long term social visit?
2)Can she keep applying for long term social visit visa until she get PR?
3)How can i ensure that she will not be forced to return to China after ROM?

Pls advice.

[econoMIC]

1. I am sure she should be able to get at least an LTSVP.
2. Yes she can, an LTSVP is usually valid for 6 months or a year by which time you should have the outcome of the application (mine took less than three months in April this year if you don't consider the delay caused by the high commission here in London).
3. This is the thing, you personally can't ensure anything. There is always a worst case scenario for which you should have a back up plan. I would suggest you call ICA and clarify with them what your options are and they will be able to tell you more. I wouldn't call them. Go down there and have a word with an officer. It is always good to have a name of someone.

Good luck!

[liverpool]

Thank econoMIC, shall contact officer in ICA for more information.

Hope xq can provide the outcome for his case. Will be a good reference for me.

[ksl]

Thank econoMIC, shall contact officer in ICA for more information.

Hope xq can provide the outcome for his case. Will be a good reference for me.

PR isn't normally given until you have been married a few years, you will get LTSVP, probably for the first year or 2, on a 6 month basis...then it will increased to 1 year, until the PR criteria is met, for marriage and residence I'm guessing at 3 years, before she could seek PR and later sing citizenship after 7.

You don't have to leave the country on LTSVP, especially if you are married and residing in Singapore, if the person finds work with an income over 2500, they can apply for the EP, or S pass if its around 1800. If already married and residing in Singapore, its just a formality, until all criteria is met for PR.

It's very hard to give correct information because they change like the weather, and they are quite helpful, so book an appointment with them, and make a list of questions, that may be bothering you!

Some husbands here, have been sending there wives back home, when they have got tired of the other half, I think a law should be made to protect these unfortunate people from pimps, and others, that are abusing foreign women.

The foreigners have no rights at all in Singapore, so if they have children, the husband can keep the kids, and have the wife repatriated within a very short time, its quite disgusting

[econoMIC]

Good point KSL, I missed that she has not been residing in Singapore beforehand. Must have skipped that bit when reading.

[liverpool]

Thank KSL.

Will it be difficult for her to get LTSVP after marriage. u mention 3 years so is there a possibility that she will not be granted LTSVP at certain stage of the 3 years and required to return China?

[taxico]

Some husbands here, have been sending there wives back home, when they have got tired of the other half, I think a law should be made to protect these unfortunate people from pimps, and others, that are abusing foreign women.

The foreigners have no rights at all in Singapore, so if they have children, the husband can keep the kids, and have the wife repatriated within a very short time, its quite disgusting

whatever the limitations are, they're publicly available/known, so don't blame the system (entirely).

many relationships have unrealistic expectations/problems to begin with... and if both parties didn't plan in advance, it's nobody's fault but their own.

further, it seems only fair that more rights be apportioned to a citizen than to 'ferners'!

(not that i am happy with how some non singaporeans are treated...)

[econoMIC]

Some husbands here, have been sending there wives back home, when they have got tired of the other half, I think a law should be made to protect these unfortunate people from pimps, and others, that are abusing foreign women.

The foreigners have no rights at all in Singapore, so if they have children, the husband can keep the kids, and have the wife repatriated within a very short time, its quite disgusting

whatever the limitations are, they're publicly available/known, so don't blame the system (entirely).

many relationships have unrealistic expectations/problems to begin with... and if both parties didn't plan in advance, it's nobody's fault but their own.

further, it seems only fair that more rights be apportioned to a citizen than to 'ferners'!

(not that i am happy with how some non singaporeans are treated...)

I think this goes back to what SMS said in another thread. I personally find it great that PRs had many rights and benefits like citizens, as it promotes an open society. The problem is that this has been abused by far too many people who never considered themselves part of the society and so now the rest of them PRs has to pay the bill. So yes, it is only right to apportion more rights to citizens than PRs for the moment until standards have been tightened and PR doesn't get handed out like candy any more.