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Contract Jobs for MNC

Postby veryveryrich » Wed, 21 Dec 2005 5:40 pm

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There's an increasing claims of Contract Jobs under MNCs (e.g. IBM, HP, etc.) to be placed under a Recruitment Firm in Singapore Job Market, and many Singaporeans are working 'fine' with it.

To be 'contracted' under Recruitment Firm, means one would not be registered directly under the 'Client' but working/moving around MNCs after a period of time (say 3 ~ 12 months), and eventually it brings unlimited/continuous 'benefits' to these Recruitment Firms once the candidate changes 'clients' (as noticed there are at least 20~30 of them advertising everyday online, with same old job openings...)

For some opportunities seeker or foreigner to look for a start in SG, it seemed viable, but the question is, why are there candidates around STILL accepting these contracts without making a noise or something? (Especially those Agencies who protects themselves MORE than giving room for discussion for the candidates...)

Is that [Company Name], [Salary] - the 'onlys' that they are looking for? Why can't people try to respect themselves (more) as a Professional (which has at least 15~18 years of total education) but to be treated like a placement worker? (P/S: No offence to any placement worker under Recruitment Agencies and/or Factories) :o The more 'white collar' takin these kinda offer, the worse the market would be... :oops:

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Postby riversandlakes » Thu, 22 Dec 2005 3:28 am

This happens everywhere. As a matter of fact, despite India getting the brunt, the Big 5 outsourcing firms including Adecco, Accenture, ACS and even IBM are doing it.

An entire department will be outsourced to one of these firms. ACS exclusively manages only HR.

You failed to identify what's wrong with this practice :? You seem to assume that it is wrong, when it in fact is yet-another-business-practice.

For me, only the environment and pay matter in the end. Lovey-dovey colleagues are not a pre-requisite, and also not a super-caring-efficient boss :twisted:

If you didn't like the environment, then quit. The pay? Don't take it!

The FREE market works both ways, you know.
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Dynamics STORMING the market eh???

Postby veryveryrich » Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:20 pm

Hi RSL,

Well, I do agree with you that I'm assuming that it's wrong. Anythin 'new' or should say practiced "not so traditional" should be questioned. Ppl came up with lotsa ideas trying to 'sell'. We know that the market has been long flooded with such IDEAS, everywhere in the world... Anyway, I do not see why ppl will not sound out on these... at least other parts of the world will do...

BTW, check these out. feel free to google 'Microsoft Dynamics' & 'Avantus'. They claimed that they are about to set some 'New Business Methods' and 'Recruiting Era' to the market by storm. The sneakpeak is that, WE, the employee, will havta PAY for some 5 figures MSXX courses before we could 'TURN' ourselves into somesort of... at this time... "NAVISION CONSULTANT". Think about the quality one would have with such SHORT TRAINING and later place US to clients and projects. That's how SG's IT Project has the usual 70% Cock-up results... Well, 80% of the people attended the so-called "1 HOUR BRIEFING SESSION" left immediately without thinking about filling up some forms or what. It's FREE market though... some ppl PAY to get jobs... To most Asians, it could simply mean this time, Microsoft did the wrong move by placing their names inside jobstreet and jobsb advertising for their "FEE PAYING PARTNERS". I bet they are getting some sxxking response and therefore they now "readvertise" at least another 2 times, just like any other Recruitment Consultant does... everyday's job... :lol:

"The RULE: You PAY, or YOU will be BONDED for a substantial amount of time, or YOU compensate..."

NEW ERA... great... :roll:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 22 Dec 2005 8:23 pm

The anger in your posts makes me wonder where it's coming from. I would guess you are not a good as you think you are and because of the facts and your mental view of the facts, you cannot find a job.

You have a really bad case of sour grapes, blaming everybody and everything except the one who won't get off their butt and make it happen. You have to roll with the punches when they happen and go with the flow when necessary. When you have proven yourself then you can demand. It's like all the people asking R&L for his list of Headhunters. Guess what, If you don't have a job a headhunter won't be interested in you as you obviously don't have something that all the clients want.

That's why they are called headhunters, because they poach the best people away from the competition. If you aren't working for the competition, you obviously are the best or even next best. Grasshopper, I think it's time to start growing up.

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Postby veryveryrich » Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:48 am

Well SMS,

Stop acting like you're the "GOD" of Employment Entity! ESBI all has losers, the earlier the worse. Being E all the while, and shitting on ppl "assuming" that they have no job and you're the one that has only a small power representing your company hiring ppl, isn't enough. Who the heck told you I'm not working? You have 7th sense? Your asses smell something?

Should any of the bosses FIRE anyone under [Employment] entity and you'll be start looking for jobs again. BTW, no matter what age WE are, we are all losers cause we can't make sufficient $ to survive if ppl doesn't hire us!

Continue blowing your 'saint' mind here... I'm sure at least there are some 'kick-ass' there agree with you, even pray to you!
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Postby veryveryrich » Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:53 am

SMS, continue to PROVE to this Virtual World, oops, I should even say, to this "Singapore-only-forum" that your typing skills that reflects your RICH experiences... KICK ASS! :lol:

I tot you said "Speed reading doesn't help...", so, READ carefully before you reply to these posts using ENGLISH. Your "Print outs" of some BRILLIANT MINDS doesn't buy anything here...

Comon, don't be shy... :roll: Keep on! Prove yourself! Prove! :cool:

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Postby dot dot dot » Mon, 26 Dec 2005 3:57 pm

Flexibility is the word for years already. MNC's concentrating on their core business and add value to their products / services, which in case of IBM and other MNC's means they concentrate on R&D and engineering. Production is in most cases outsourced to OEM's, and HRM is outsourced to 3rd part vendors like Adecco, Manpower and other recruitment / temp agencies.

Really, this is the trend for years already, at least since the mid nineties.

In this case it enables the MNC's to adapt more effective and efficient to changing markets and economies.

As a result employability has become different, more flexible. You as an 'employee' have to be constantly vigilant and make sure your skills and knowledge are up to date and you need to constantly prove added value for the employers.

And to add to that, on a macro economic scale, SE Asia, China and India are extremely competitive to USA and the EU market. The EU, and especially countries like France and Germany face huge problems in competing with low cost labour countries like China and India and high tech countries like Singapore and Japan. Due to the fact that labour is still relatively cheap here in Singapore, compared to European countries and USA, Singapore has a annual growth reaching 6%, resulting in a steadily increase of jobs. Flexible jobs in a lot of cases, but if you stay ahead and add value, you will profit. Eu countries like France, Germany and The Netherlands do not even grow for the last few years, they have a negative growth percentage and an increasing unemployment rate.

So instead of nagging here, you should actually be happy with this strategy, as it enables you to stay employable and make sure you can still earn a good living here.

You could of course choose to nag like the unions in EU and USA do nowadays, resulting in an even greater loss of jobs, because they can no longer compete.

So if you wanna nag, buy a one way ticket to France, Germany or The Netherlands and join the union over there. You will have plenty of time to demonstrate and complain, as you will most likely be unemployed anyway.

Eric

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Postby veryveryrich » Tue, 27 Dec 2005 2:28 pm

So instead of nagging here, you should actually be happy with this strategy, as it enables you to stay employable and make sure you can still earn a good living here.
8)

Hello [Eric from the Netherlands]

Well, good point u pointed out. The 'strategy' is to, and not to make people Employable. As you pointed out the competitiveness over U.S. and EU could be due to the reason that they are no longer competitive, it also means ppl over there has more liberty and so-called 'human rights' to sound out whatever they could put as 'Union' to say and sound...

Over here? Well, as you said, WE ppl should feel 'good' to be able to stay 'employable', (Sit, Roll, Lie Down... Catch the Ball...) it also means that WE should keep our mouth SHUT further, and the 'new stuffs' that ppls are trying to make sure, is that you SHOUT OUT like U.S. or EU ppl (since human rights aren't really that significantly notable over this region...), you PAY or you GO AWAY.

If you prefer to talk to someone that doesn't NAG back to you, you may try some Machines/Vending Machines/Self Check, etc. Transactions, which doesn't give you a word in return, or probably, formulated 'polite' words after each service to you, or your company, etc.

The World is spinning around, politics came up and down, countries went strong and weak. They unite, they separate. That's the natural cycle of Life. If you're viewing things in "recent time", or say, "within your life time", etc., then one will end up thinking "Yeah, that's the ERA now and we should sit back, shut up UNLESS we have to POWER/$$$ to change the world". Natural anyway, as humans are still V.S. humans, not aliens that we constantly looking from Hubble, etc.

True, I agree, so... guys, keep on. Submit yourself to the world. Comply with Rules. Stay Healthy. Wait for things to happen. :twisted:

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Postby riversandlakes » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 3:31 am

It's best to have a comparison to the market you seem to decree as "wrong". Imagine the communist'socialist markets, where employment's guaranteed and everyone's "happy".
You bet back then in the USSR there're no contract jobs (at least not as defined as today).

Why did perestroika fail? Was it because of glasnost? Actually, read between the lines. Glasnost exposed the reasons for perestroika - the failure of the Marxist "market" rules.
A shoemaker factory has no need to keep upgrading its shoes because the government buys its shoes in bulk and sells it to the shoe shop. The shoe shop doesn't need to worry about competition because everyone sells the shoes at the same prices.

Sounds good in practice and might have lasted "forever", but it didn't. An enclosed system where the government is answerable to NO ONE leads to abuses. I'm not talking about the need for a forth estate (blah blah). Just about a total lack of accountability.
These abuses lead to shoe shops going unchecked, hence they raise their prices sky-high. BUT, being a closed system, the consumers (if they can be called that without real choices) have nowhere to go. This leads to inflation. Oh, wait. The factories might be the ones who have raised their prices!

All these do not happen in a free market, where prices are more or less determined by market forces, including employment. Price-fixing is (mostly) illegal. It is up to you to decide your destiny, even career path. Switch industries, if you would. Many IT grads have made it, and many have failed. Which would you be, if you decided in favor of the switch?

Or strike out with your own business. Nothing spells better of "taking charge" than to have one's own business, imnho. But the devil is in the details...

Also, before doing anything, always put oneself in the other's shoes. Would you have done the same if you were in charge of IBM? Contract someone first before employing full-time (usually with more costly tangible or non-tangible benefits), unless it's for a specific project or scope? Contracting via recruiters is just an evolved version of such traditional contracting.
There're numerous examples I've seen of contract jobs with MNCs turning out to be permanent, because with the measurable performance gauges (at least better than none), the MNC realizes it'll lose this "talent" to the competition if it doesn't make him/her a "permanent staff"...
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Postby veryveryrich » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:22 am

Read this whether or not you are a CHINESE 8) , BUT you must understand CHINESE CHARACTERS: :cool: And ur Uncle BillGates' toy must have or about to install packages supporting Asian Characters viewing... [-o<

http://www.51job.com/arts/15/283630.html

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Postby riversandlakes » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:17 pm

This is not a personal attack, but now I understand why I personally find it hard to understand your sentences, vvr. The flow is just not there, buddy.

Perhaps you need to sharpen further your mastery on constructing English sentences. Hint: vocabulary ain't key.

So what's your point in the article?

Conmen businesses are around. What's to blame? Liars abound. Whose fault?
This just serves to remind you only you are the true boss of your destiny. Like I've always said, "these are just bus rides." Just get off when the ride ends. Don't hang on to it...
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Postby veryveryrich » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 4:17 pm

:-({|=

RSL, Keep on...! You are doing a great job...

I dun ride on buses everyday... at least not 8 hours per day... :P

Since ur English is fantastic, why not you translate some of the 'sentences' you might have 'comments' from the article from some alien languages to ENGLISH?

I'm sure it will help...! Great! :twisted:

(Yeah rite, "This is not a personal attack...")
(Yeah rite, "I'm not trying to threaten you...")

Psychology... pls...
:oops!: :shit:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 8:09 pm

veryveryrich wrote:Read this whether or not you are a CHINESE 8) , BUT you must understand CHINESE CHARACTERS: :cool: And ur Uncle BillGates' toy must have or about to install packages supporting Asian Characters viewing... [-o<

http://www.51job.com/arts/15/283630.html

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Why read that when this is available

http://www.51job.com/default-e.php?from=inner

You're a real piece of work you are, chinese with a chip on his shoulder. Uncle Bill has had Chinese fonts for years, you just need to load them from the disc. But not necessary when the webmasters are smarter than the jobseekers (especially a certain IT one anyway).

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Postby riversandlakes » Fri, 30 Dec 2005 3:30 am

Thanks for yet another compliment :)
FYI, my first boss called me a "man of integrity". The problem is, I have totally no respect for the man, so what does that say about HIM? :D
My girl friends call me "...if only I have a boyfriend like you..." 8)

Folks here are saying you need to adapt, but you argue incessantly and with immature tantrum! Reminds me of an ex-coursemate, who is taking his final undergraduate degree unit - 5 years in the making. That itself is not a crime at all, but I know him well enough to realize it is due to his attitude. Once, he said, and sums it up all too well, "I wish I was as hardworking as you are."
Grow up, dude. Time and tide, and the world, waits for no man.

他们说随机应变。你不只不接受,又视而不见。

You're terribly outdated, along with your uninformed praises of "lifetime employment", if you were to assume EVERY SINGLE Chinese on this planet knows no good Mandarin if he/she is fluent in English :)
Perhaps you speak fluent English and only write with no flow. Perhaps not.

Bi-lingual Mandarin and English folks (not only Chinese) are abound nowadays. To lose either one when one has the background is to have no prospects (numeral eight has two strokes, not one).
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Wake up, dude.

veryveryrich wrote::-({|=

RSL, Keep on...! You are doing a great job...

I dun ride on buses everyday... at least not 8 hours per day... :P

Since ur English is fantastic, why not you translate some of the 'sentences' you might have 'comments' from the article from some alien languages to ENGLISH?

I'm sure it will help...! Great! :twisted:

(Yeah rite, "This is not a personal attack...")
(Yeah rite, "I'm not trying to threaten you...")

Psychology... pls...
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But the world is full of fluffier ones.


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