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Follow up to Katrina & Bush anti-black conspiracy discus

Postby Wham » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53 pm

To all those who jumped on the "IT WAS ALL AN ANTI-BLACK CONSPIRACY" and the "THOSE AMERICANS ARE SUCH RACISTS" band wagons, take a deep breath and read the facts below.

Katrina Death Stats Contradict Racial Complaints
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Monday, Dec. 12, 2005

The popular perception that African-Americans living in New
Orleans were disproportionately victimized by the government's botched
Hurricane Katrina rescue effort turns out not to be true - at
least according to preliminary death statistics released by the state
of Louisiana.

On Wednesday, Congress heard dramatic testimony from black
Katrina survivors, who complained that racism drove the federal rescue
efforts and resulted in an unnecessarily high number of African-American
deaths.

"People were allowed to die," storm survivor Leah Hodges
testified, telling a House panel that black residents of New Orleans had
been victims of "genocide and ethnic cleansing."

But preliminary figures compiled by the morgue in St. Gabriel,
Louisiana, which is the primary facility handling the bodies of
Katrina deceased, show that a majority of the dead in New Orleans and
surrounding parishes were actually not black.

Of the 883 bodies processed so far by medical examiners at St.
Gabriel, 562 have been identified by race. Slightly less than half that
number 48 percent - are African-American.
Forty-one percent are white, 8 percent unknown and 2 percent
Hispanic.

The remarkable numbers, which undermine claims that Katrina
rescue efforts were somehow infused by racism, have been completely
ignored by the national media, with only the Lousiana-based news web site, The Bayou Buzz, devoting any coverage at all to the story.

The surprisingly low death rate for black Katrina victims comes
despite the fact that New Orleans itself was more than two-thirds black
[67 percent] when the storm hit. White residents made up less than a
third [28 percent] of the city's population, according to U.S. Census
bureau numbers.

The two hardest hit areas were Orleans parish, which is the city
itself- with 720 people killed by Katrina - and St. Bernard parish,
with 123 dead.

St. Bernard parish is 88 percent white, but the total population
before the storm was just 65,554 people. The city of New Orleans, on
the other hand, had 484,674 people before the storm, 67 percent of whom
were black.

The two populations combined were still over 60 percent black -
twelve points higher than the percentage of black residents killed by
Katrina.

To view the statistics on Katrina dead released by the state of
Louisiana, go to:
http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/publications/pubs-
145/DECEASED%20Victims%20released_11-14-2005_publication.pdf
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Postby dot dot dot » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:03 pm

After hundreds of years of its history and more than a century after the abolition of slavery, all discussions in USA are still about whether it was more black people that died in a natural disaster or more white people.

Sorry Wham, but your homecountry is a lost civilisation to me.... :(

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Postby Wham » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:18 pm

Eric, my post is not as much about race as about news media - in order to sell newspapers the media took a basic natural disaster and turned it into a racial circus. The International Press then got hold of it and turned it into a story about how in the US it is still all about race (as you say) - so i guess the point i am trying to make is that... ahemm... if you bought into the whole "the US is still all about race" thing, then you were DUPED!

Because the truth is, it had nothing to do with race... GET IT?
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Postby dot dot dot » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:26 pm

So basically you are saying it is not that much black and white?

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Postby Wham » Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:32 pm

At least never quite as black and white as the new media would like you to beleive...
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Postby T2K » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:35 am

"Storm Survivors Say They Were Victims Of Genocide" (WTF? I needn't even comment on how stupid that concept is)

sells a lot more papers than

"Death Rate For Hurricane Katrina Varied 12% From Local Racial Demographic Figures"

It's not all about race in America, but it sure comes up a hell of a lot more than it should. When you've got one race (blacks) who have lower education completion rates, lower incomes, higher rates of unwed pregnancy and higher rates of criminal conviction it seems to be easier to make everything a "racism issue" instead of looking at the underlying social issues which are at the root of the problem. So, people take the easy path, and we've been on it for years now. Doesn't look like we will get off of it anytime soon either. One can't even talk about the above facts without immediately being branded a racist.

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Postby riversandlakes » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 4:41 am

OK, it's not about skin color, but it's something more pathetic - a perverted form of caste - in a capitalist world. Historical or religious caste system took time to evolve. How's that?

No one seriously cared about them because they couldn't afford even a car to get the heck out of harm's way? Because seriously, if anyone paid a serious 1-minute thought they would have been sweeped to safety...

Finger-pointing is just so fun a game, but those who drowned are gone.
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Postby Wham » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 7:43 am

Riversandlakes, if you think the capitalistic system is so horrible, what are you doing living in Singapore? PLEASE - head on up to North Korea where "paradise" awaits you.
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Postby dot dot dot » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:05 am

Wham wrote:Riversandlakes, if you think the capitalistic system is so horrible, what are you doing living in Singapore? PLEASE - head on up to North Korea where "paradise" awaits you.


you sound quite 'dictatorial' there Wham...

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Postby Wham » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:39 am

i'm sorry if it sounds that way, but a hornets nest of us/bush bashing was stirred up in the aftermath of the Hurricane on the grounds that somehow there was a conspiracy to let the blacks suffer - and as the facts come in it is becomming clear that about 65% of those killed were over the age of 61 and were equally black and white in an area where the majority of the population is black. SO the race thing was just wrong.

So then, Riversandlakes writes "if anyone paid a serious 1-minute thought they would have been sweeped to safety... " which is a nice thought, but we don't live in never never land where you can sweep people away in 1 minute. We live in the real world.

I just find it irritating that when a Natural disaster struck New Orleans - somehow all of the US was deemed sinister, but when a Tsunami hit SE Asia there was very little finger pointing. Why is there such a strange need to find someone or something to BLAME. First it was racism, then when that didn't stick it was the economic system... its ok to be a little naive, but to attack capitalism is just silly.
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Postby T2K » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:57 am

She should have said "If they had paid one minute of attention to themselves..."

People living their life on the dole, welfare, public assistance, or whatever you want to call it lose the initiative to care for themselves. Why is it always about being saved, rescued, helped, taken care of? How much common sense or self preservation instinct does it take to decide to get out of an area that is below sea level when a class 4 hurricane is coming?

Or, failing that, to stockpile a case of water and some canned food? Been there, done that. The pervasive attitude of complacency that was evident in interviews with some of these New Orleans residents before the storm hit was shocking. The apparently common expectation that tens of thousands of them should have been whisked away to safety within a day or two after the storm passed was pathetic.

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Postby Baron Greenback » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:12 pm

So basically you are saying it is not that much black and white?

Eric


nice one Eric
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Postby earthfriendly » Fri, 16 Dec 2005 4:17 pm

I am very tired of people playing the race card and pointing fingers at the white race for what ails their own race. It is just unfortunate that the victims who suffered the most during Katrina happen to be black. However, it is a combination of poor disaster management and economic-socio factors.

I sure am glad that I am not born a white in the USA. Anything that I might have said regarding other races can easily be misconstrued as rascist. Chinese have suffered tremendous rascism in a very systemic and deliberate way in the early 20th century in USA. But do you hear them complaining and fighting and being all argumentative about it. Nope, they just swallow and stomach it all in, "yu ku wang tu zhi li tun". I am not saying it is the best approach but sometimes being too aggresive will backfire. Some people might look upon it as a sign of weakness but I call it stoicism and see great strength behind such action (or non-action).


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