Sydney Race Riots

[Bafana]

Don't know whether anyone else has picked up on this yet but follow the link:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=75226

There has always been tension between the 'white' community and the middle eastern communty in Sydney's South/South West and I suppose the recent gang rape case pushed over the edge (I suppose it would'nt help with all the rest of the trouble between the races over the last few thousand years)

[Ecka Dimmock]

Don't know whether anyone else has picked up on this yet but follow the link:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=75226

There has always been tension between the 'white' community and the middle eastern communty in Sydney's South/South West and I suppose the recent gang rape case pushed over the edge (I suppose it would'nt help with all the rest of the trouble between the races over the last few thousand years)

Well, this is something I have to admit Singapore has managed well. In Sydney, these tensions have been brewing for a while: the popular perception is that the police don't do much about ethnic-based gangs for fear of being branded racists. For their part, young Lebanese men feel alienated from the mainstream, so form gangs, and the problem perpetuates. Some of the attitudes towards women these lads display, too, are calculated to inflame.

[Vaucluse]

Polarisation is the correct word here. Sydney, far from being a melting pot in the positive sense, has been a conglomeration of different peoples living next to one another and this great idea of multiculturalism is nothing bt a farce dreamt up by our pollies to try to ease new immigrants into society.
Howard and his cronies (hmm, that's two pollie-bashing topics in as many months) heaped scorn on French policies vis-a-vis immigrants, saying it couldn't happen in Australia.
One look at Sydney's South-West, starting in the Campsie/Strathfield area would convince otherwise.
Integration is more and more difficult as ethnic character and identity is being touted as paramount - over the idae of being Australian.

The Cronula boys are defending what they see as their turf - they have seen what happens and has happened in other areas and don't want 'their' area succumbing to the same.

[riversandlakes]

Though 5,000 is sure a lot of angry people!

[Vaucluse]

The ugly side of Australia indeed:




Just shows it takes a spark to touch off a bushfire. Urban planning at its worst, immigration policies come to fruition . . .

Onya!

[Bafana]

Integration is more and more difficult as ethnic character and identity is being touted as paramount - over the idae of being Australian.

The Cronula boys are defending what they see as their turf - they have seen what happens and has happened in other areas and don't want 'their' area succumbing to the same.

Exactly.

This is what I have felt for a long time that all of this touchy tocuhy feel good Politcal Correctness gone mad will lead to more and more trouble in the future.

The police force and state government has let this situation get to this state for fear of offending or appearing racist to their ethnic populations whilst at the same time leaving the bulk of population (sorry to say - the whites) feeling completely powerless as their society/culture crumbles around them. So what happens they finally have enough and start taking back what they rightfully see as their own.

If the majority cannot determine the destiny of their culture and nation in fear of upsetting a minorities imported heritage then where is the democracy?

Are we the masses meant to suffer for the sake of a few upset immigrants who if they wanted to move to our country should have accepted our culture in the first place?

Simply put Australia is Australia - Singapore is Singapore. Each have their own cultures and way of life that should be respected by those immigrating into them. A quick look at the italian, greek, chinese, etc immigrants cna show the multiculturism does and can work if those coming into the country respect the culture of that country whilst maintaining parts of their old indentities.

For their part, young Lebanese men feel alienated from the mainstream, so form gangs, and the problem perpetuates.

Thay have alienated themselves - Don't give them excuses for being ignorant criminals selfish in their own needs and self forgiving in blaming others. Another PC flaw that will and is ruining countries is the game of blaming the victom or others for the acts of the cirminal whilst handing out lighter sentences and making it harder for our law enforcement communities to do their job and provide sfae and secure societies.

It made me sick when I heard the Police Chiefs comments on this being a very un-Australian outburst - Quite simply put this statement is crap aimed a placating the PC'ers and the international press.

The outburst on the weekend and over night is purely Australian and reflect our heritage and culture.

Australians are very fair and open minded. We will tolerate until it becomes untolerable and at that point we will take back what is ours or right an injustice. We are not as weak willed as the PC'ers would like to make us and we have not been brainwashed to a point where we will not stand up for what we think is correct.

Pure an simple whole areas of Sydney are sucumbing to non-integrating youth gangs (mainly lebanese and vietnamese) - Thease areas have already been lost due to our ever present patieince but when they started to expand their turf into the majorities heartland they got the reaction that they deserved.

On a last point to attack anyone based on race, creed, religion, etc is wrong - However when society's hands are tied by wrong thinking as has happened here it will adjust its bounds to remove a cancarous growth - Namely blind PC devotion.

[Vaucluse]

Some very wise words there, Bafana.

I remember well the hassles we had on week-ends when the marauding Westie brigades would take over 'our' area - from Watsons Bay to Parsley Bay to Vaucluse Park to Nielsen Park.
We felt like it was an invasion and we were lft with the debris left by these hordes, as well as scratched cars, tyre tracks on front lawns and generally garbage everywhere.

In this case an icon of Australiana was attacked - Surf Life Savers - a distinct no-no.

What Bafana says is correct - there were problems with integration regarding Italians, Greeks, Chinese, Christian Lebanese, Vietnamese etc . . . but these were dealt with, the society engulfed them, they integrated and life went on. One side still calls the other skippy or wog every now and then and life is just that.

This issue with people from the Middle East is different in many ways and using PC demagoguery by the powers that be is NOT helping in this instance. It is time for the majority to have some control in determining their fate, and not leave it to pathetic pollies and their political diatribes to try and placate everyone.

[Steppenwolf]

Australians are very fair and open minded. We will tolerate until it becomes untolerable and at that point we will take back what is ours or right an injustice.

Pure an simple whole areas of Sydney are sucumbing to non-integrating youth gangs (mainly lebanese and vietnamese) - Thease areas have already been lost due to our ever present patieince but when they started to expand their turf into the majorities heartland they got the reaction that they deserved.

Can i ask what did the lebanese community do that was so intolerable? And what was the gang trying to take back exactly? Their turf?

[Bafana]

Can i ask what did the lebanese community do that was so intolerable? And what was the gang trying to take back exactly? Their turf?

If you ahve lived in these suberbs then you would know that there is has been long standing intimidation, violence, vandelism carried out by these groups on other races living in the same areas.

Don't fall into the mass medias reporting lies that these riots were instigtaed and driven by white supremist gangs - Thats what they would like everyone to believe rather then have anything upset there long standing PC band wagon.

I have seen the video clips and have talked to people both involved and in the area who witnessed the incidents - These were every day average Australians who took to the streets. Most incidents escalated becasue the the lebanese gangs in question did what all bullys do - Put on a big chest and try and shout/knock down the opinions/right of others. The corwds retaliated.

Quite frankly the reporting of the incident and the governments reaction have been designed to by the government more time to resolve the issue rather then let it escalate. Over the next few months the ground swell of public opinion will become known and changes will be made.

[Vaucluse]

Was watching newsclips and the police arrested a 'suspected' white supremacist, wanting to preserve his right to privacy they filmed his house and his car (including license plate). he has a cute little bumper sticker:
'Proud to be Anglo!
Britfest 2005'

Yup, a real dangerous one there . . .

And all along little Johnny Howard rejects the notion that Australia has racism running through it's veins when polls, among AUSTRALIANS, show that the vast majority believe there is.

[riversandlakes]

In essence, he said exactly what French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy did:

Sarkozy: "You've had enough of this gang of scum, haven't you?" said Nicolas Sarkozy to residents in a Paris suburb affected by rioting.

Howard: "Violence, thuggery, loutish behavior, smashing peoples' property, intimidating people — all of those things are breaches of the law."

At least the French seems to have learnt to tackle the problem at the root - Chirac said "We need to respond strongly and quickly to the undeniable problems which many inhabitants of the deprived neighbourhoods surrounding our cities are facing."

Otoh, V posted the right thousand-words pic for this occurence right next to our doors...

[Vaucluse]

Good points, R&L - here's another that is making the rounds in Oz at the moment:

[Global Citizen]

[quote="Vaucluse"]Polarisation is the correct word here. Sydney, far from being a melting pot in the positive sense, has been a conglomeration of different peoples living next to one another and this great idea of multiculturalism is nothing bt a farce dreamt up by our pollies to try to ease new immigrants into society.
/quote]

Here's another angle to consider Vaucluse. The US is a melting pot while Canada prides herself on mutlicuituralism. Both have vast immigrant populations yet of the 2, the US is perceived as being more racist. Why do you think one works better over the other?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Here's another angle to consider Vaucluse. The US is a melting pot while Canada prides herself on mutlicuituralism. Both have vast immigrant populations yet of the 2, the US is perceived as being more racist. Why do you think one works better over the other?

Well, for me, all I have to look at is what has been produced by the two countries over the past 50 or 60 years. In terms of innovation, contributions to science, GDP, and a host of other economic data. Obviously, the US model works better although the racist element is more vocal (you will notice I said vocal not widespread). I don't like the latent and obvious racial problems that are still in the US, but it seems to be a package. Are canadians any less racist than americans? I doubt it. Are they less vocal? Yes. Also, another thing, at least all 50 of our states pull in tandem when they need as does all her citizens. We don't have a rogue state wanting a foreign language as the national language in the middle of our country.

[riversandlakes]

Separatist at that

We don't have a rogue state wanting a foreign language as the national language in the middle of our country.