wish to move to australia(melb)

[kk_lass]

If need helps on emigration issue..
i have company that helps on this issue..

[napseb68]

Leaving - Oz in my op is a great place - but it may be bad for you !

Its not abt their mindset - its yours!!

I worked and lived there and rem only good things abt auzzies and their wonderful country - by same token so many sing/msians have gone there and hated it and returned- giving up their PR!

why - cos the same things i liked - they hated!
Why - Cos of mindset rigidity/ unwillingness to accept the aussie culture -
On thing for sure - you will be judged for who you are and nothing else - and that means your charactor -

Sure u'll find rude obnox pple in oz - but u find them in msia, sing, bangkok etc

By and large the Oz are a welcoming bunch and only discriminate against the rude/ the high&mighty/ and the xenophobic
( i think thats the word - for hating other cultures??)

I rem of their love learning of new cultures - that why they travel so much!!
Just dont rant and rave abt yr culture as if its superior - they happen to like their culture too you know!

rem - you re on their ground - and their ground means their rules - dont push in a line/ invite ur neighs if u have a BBQ/ dont ask q's like 'how much money do u make' or how much did u pay for tht house / dont go on the speedy check out with 40 items!!/ dont stick with just friends of the same col/race & worse still dont treat those of diff col/race differently even u get away with it here - you wont get away with it tehre / dont make a nuinsance of urself by complaining cos the shops close early/ dont talk abt your flashier life back home cos they may just ask u to go back there/ treat service pple with great respect - anythig else and u will learn rejection / dont complain abt ther efficiencies - they do it their way at their pace and know what they're doing /dont speak chinese in frnt of nonchinese friends - its not polite & u know tt, its just that here u get away with it/ dont for god's sake - make them dislike u !!

sure - u will not find cheap hawker stalls and chinese are NOT the majority so you may find yourself no more than a "regular joe" - if you have prblm being 'regular joe' - then dont go !!

rem - charactor is all they are going to decide on - if you've not developed a world-aware and accepting character - u may be very lonely in aus!

[indomal]

hi,

great to hear some discussions here..

for many years i noticed that melbourne has been on #1 or #2 as the best city to live in the world (EIU survey), and other AU cities are all in the top 10.

singapore has been ranked ca. 30s, few levels above NY; my messy but lovely Jakarta is about 10th -- from the bottom.

that's why i have been thinking someday to live there, but may be not mbourne, perhaps Sydney (?) since i work in financial industry, said to be centered in syd. not mbourne.

my my concern is not to be 2nd class citizen.
living in Jakarta, i dont think i am 1st class citizen,
I am malay, then..as usual must be much poorer than chinese..
I am malay but not those javanese, so will not get privilege in politics
(but things improve a lot recently, sir);
but, i love my soil, indonesia, still;

living here in spore for two years already;
i am not sure whether i am 1st class, 2nd, or 3rd citizen..

in social context, being malay you must be prepared, once in a while, to be looked down by others, not only by security officer in my office building in the first few months working here, taxi driver, shop assistant in takashimaya or paragon, but also by (chinese) indonesian living in same condo;
(my lovely but bad luck wife has been several times to be deemed as maid, and be offered job)

but, that's not of course a reflection of a singapore,
no perfect place in this world, we can always find the bad side;
a lot of and lot of nice people here, i mean it..
the city is very convenient for my poor indonesian standard,
very safe, in order, even sometimes too rigid;

in general, living in singapore has been great experience for me,
i can earn enough to live my life, i really thanks for that;
and would be grateful i can live my life going forward here.

back to australia,
do you think as non-chinese and non-javanese indonesian, i will be treated better or worse than what i have experienced in Jakarta and Singapore? in economy, politics, and especially social context?

i am interested in sydney since i think i might find more suitable job there;
i am working in investmen related area...8-9 years exp. do you think can i get a proper job there? can i earn the same as i am earning here, ca. SGD150k per annum, on tax and cost of living adjusted basis?

for those who are working in financial industry in sydney,
how big is financial industry there compared to singapura or HK?

i never been to australia,
planning to go holiday there with my wife, next month;
trying to get visa, first; i'll take care the visa application by myslef,
wondering how tough the process is, as some friends say,
for a man from countries notoriusly known for producing illegal workers and terrorists, and speak english not much better than average japanese.

salam,
indm.

[Vaucluse]

Leaving - Oz in my op is a great place - but it may be bad for you !

Its not abt their mindset - its yours!!

I worked and lived there and rem only good things abt auzzies and their wonderful country - by same token so many sing/msians have gone there and hated it and returned- giving up their PR!

why - cos the same things i liked - they hated!
Why - Cos of mindset rigidity/ unwillingness to accept the aussie culture -
On thing for sure - you will be judged for who you are and nothing else - and that means your charactor -

Sure u'll find rude obnox pple in oz - but u find them in msia, sing, bangkok etc

By and large the Oz are a welcoming bunch and only discriminate against the rude/ the high&mighty/ and the xenophobic
( i think thats the word - for hating other cultures??)

I rem of their love learning of new cultures - that why they travel so much!!
Just dont rant and rave abt yr culture as if its superior - they happen to like their culture too you know!

rem - you re on their ground - and their ground means their rules - dont push in a line/ invite ur neighs if u have a BBQ/ dont ask q's like 'how much money do u make' or how much did u pay for tht house / dont go on the speedy check out with 40 items!!/ dont stick with just friends of the same col/race & worse still dont treat those of diff col/race differently even u get away with it here - you wont get away with it tehre / dont make a nuinsance of urself by complaining cos the shops close early/ dont talk abt your flashier life back home cos they may just ask u to go back there/ treat service pple with great respect - anythig else and u will learn rejection / dont complain abt ther efficiencies - they do it their way at their pace and know what they're doing /dont speak chinese in frnt of nonchinese friends - its not polite & u know tt, its just that here u get away with it/ dont for god's sake - make them dislike u !!

sure - u will not find cheap hawker stalls and chinese are NOT the majority so you may find yourself no more than a "regular joe" - if you have prblm being 'regular joe' - then dont go !!

rem - charactor is all they are going to decide on - if you've not developed a world-aware and accepting character - u may be very lonely in aus!

Nice post, nice attitude! 10 out of 10 for you.

[superfurryanimal]

I lived in Melbourne for awhile and I loved it. All my Singaporean/Malaysian friends loved it too. The climate is mild (despite what the locals say) and the city itself is beautiful. Plenty of fantastic cafes, restaurants and bars, and plenty of beautiful attractions nearby like the Twelve Apostles, the Dandenongs and so on. I loved Melbourne and I was really upset when I had to leave.

[Leunig]

I'd just like to add my two bobs worth:
G'day mate, sounds like you're on a corker of a deal and you'd be a mug to pass it up. Melbourne's a beaut city, top sheila's and friendly blokes...mind you there's always a few wankers around anywhere: keep your eyes out for those Collingwood supporters. Most of 'em have got a few kangaroos lose in the top paddock. And remember, if you do wangle a trip to Melbourne, be sure to check out the "G" and catch up on some aerial ping pong.
And if you understand that...you'll fit in nicely in Melbourne.

[fx8fx]

any comments about Brisbane?

[superfurryanimal]

Melbourne beats Brisbane hands-down. Brisbane is a nice city overall but its a bit dull and quiet. The good thing about it though is that it is situated close to the Sunshine Coast which is simply brilliant.